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Okay, let's fire

Other than speculating, how would anyone really know for sure that we're behind in NIL?

I have no idea how anyone outside of the program would have visibility across multiple collectives and the status for our pipeline--which I'm sure is very fluid--while understanding how much money programs Marquette and Georgetown have to spend to make an affirmative statement about pecking order.
 
I'm increasingly tired of the bus thing. Fran doesn't even want soap when he loses and the basketball team loses but we're talking about jets?

Put up a 30 win season and they won't even be able to say no to something like that.
I feel like the breathless conversation about athe bus trip was a nothing burger. A few days after that supposed horrific burden the NFL's Philadelphia Eagles took a bus to play the Commanders. I'm sure that was proof that an NFL franchise is on rocky financial footing. Bussing and all.

Other than speculating, how would anyone really know for sure that we're behind in NIL?

I have no idea how anyone outside of the program would have visibility across multiple collectives and the status for our pipeline--which I'm sure is very fluid--while understanding how much money programs Marquette and Georgetown have to spend to make an affirmative statement about pecking order.

People who know here said our NIL budget is $2-2.5 million. Several confirmed it. That's clearly not enough for a team that wants to compete for national titles.
 
Other than speculating, how would anyone really know for sure that we're behind in NIL?

I have no idea how anyone outside of the program would have visibility across multiple collectives and the status for our pipeline--which I'm sure is very fluid--while understanding how much money programs Marquette and Georgetown have to spend to make an affirmative statement about pecking order.
Wildhack and Boeheim have both said before that we are at 2 million range our insiders also confirmed that number. Even our football isn’t the best when you look at a lot of other schools. Fran himself has brought in money from personal connections and a 9 win season helps but we’re still behind when you look at some other p4 schools.
 
Wildhack and Boeheim have both said before that we are at 2 million range our insiders also confirmed that number. Even our football isn’t the best when you look at a lot of other schools. Fran himself has brought in money from personal connections and a 9 win season helps but we’re still behind when you look at some other p4 schools.
Fair enough! That does seem like a terrifyingly small amount of money, all things considered
 
Agreed, but should be enough for a team to make a tourney once in 3 years.
For sure. The NIL conversation can be a bit misleading here. Some folks like to Doom Post and suggest our NIL level is so insufficient that we can't help but suck.

That's preposterous.

The reality is that our NIL needs to be bigger if we want to land the highest level of talent. But it seems fine enough for us to field winning teams and make the tournament.
 
For sure. The NIL conversation can be a bit misleading here. Some folks like to Doom Post and suggest our NIL level is so insufficient that we can't help but suck.

That's preposterous.

The reality is that our NIL needs to be bigger if we want to land the highest level of talent. But it seems fine enough for us to field winning teams and make the tournament.

I think the bigger issue is we have to be surgical with what we have and we can't strike out at wiffle ball using it...
 
At this point I don't care who or what is to blame. This has to be fixed and as soon as possible. What if we win 10 or 11 games this year? Freeman and Moore leave? The freshman next year take time to blossom? We are staring at a 10 or 11 win season this year followed by another down year next year. What if the core of next year's team leaves for greener pastures? Is any of this that unlikely?

Syracuse has a couple of really talented freshman with two or three more coming in next year. Don't throw away this opportunity and dig the hole deeper. We waited too long to make a change with the last coach. Don't allow it to happen again.
 
For sure. The NIL conversation can be a bit misleading here. Some folks like to Doom Post and suggest our NIL level is so insufficient that we can't help but suck.

That's preposterous.

The reality is that our NIL needs to be bigger if we want to land the highest level of talent. But it seems fine enough for us to field winning teams and make the tournament.
Very fair.

Our 2 - 2.5m should be enough to make us a bubble team. Fact that we're not close shows we have other problems. That's the short-term issue. If things don't work out soon, this issue has a clear solution.

Our 2 - 2.5m also isn't enough to regularly land enough high level guys to be a top team -- especially out of the portal which has essentially become an auction. To get back to our old level of success, we need more than 1/3 of the NIL as programs labelled as "serious about competing". That's the long-term issue. This issue does not have a clear solution, therefore when looking to the future this issue seems like the biggest problem to me.
 
I mean if you read the posts in the thread and have reading comprehension, its not too difficult to figure out.
keymords: no question, books,very wrong, needs, fixed, chance, hear
Maybe you could clarify and dumb it down for us. I also interpreted some of those comments one way, only to read later that it was not ‘that.’
 
I’ve noticed that too. It’s shocking because in any aspect of leadership you have a plan and you have thought out the various possibilities beforehand. It appears red has not or is not capable of that. This does feel like a Kenny Payne situation.
I saw in a chat, someone referred to red as a poor man's lorenzo romar, I responded w a rich man's Kenny Payne
 
most coaches don't survive one probation mind you.

The program genuflected to Jim Boeheim. Some of it justified because he was loyal and won. But after the second probation and the wacky Bernie Fine story, it got to be a bit of a daily drama with the program. Jim also got supremely cranky during this period above and beyond the loveable crankiness he exhibited in the 80s/90s.

The fact that so many people failed here is the part that blows my mind. Insiders, boosters, board of trustees, athletic dept, etc. Was the hoops operation run like Scotland Yard and no one could see the dsyfunction in there?

Red getting another year after this one is the classic "we can't fire him yet because that's what the manual says you can't do"

. Alabama, Kentucky, etc would fire their coach after this incompetence. We need to act like a program that demands some degree of excellence .

...maybe Studigor was...right (ducking lightening bolts)
Yeah I really wonder if you had a situation like this in either football or basketball in the SEC if they would continue to beat around the bush as they say? Nah it would just come down to coming up with the buyout money. I think of Dan Mullen at UF. Jimbo wasnt working for a longer period but his buyout was insane.
 
Maybe you could clarify and dumb it down for us. I also interpreted some of those comments one way, only to read later that it was not ‘that.’
Maybe I misinterpreted, I dont know.? But I was referring to post #25 in this thread.
It was a "loose" interpretation either way. My wordplay is often "loose" but I rarely 'lose.’
 
I think the bigger issue is we have to be surgical with what we have and we can't strike out at wiffle ball using it...
I don't think we need the most expensive coach that will cost too much to fire either. If the next guy sucks I want him out after 2 years as well and same for the guy after.

Unless Carmelo gives us a line to an NBA guy or Oats agent makes feelers that he wants out of Tuscaloosa etc.

I think Luke Murray is fine just bc if it ends the nightmare of Hurleys run that's worth it for me. And since we aren't playing postseason ball this year get an assistant who can quit and recruit immediately vs a head coach who's season needs to end.
 
Back to coach talk, is Lon Kruger available? Whats he doing these days? he'll coach anywhere
He retired to let his son take over at UNLV. He's 72 now, so I would be surprised if he wanted to coach again, but I don't know him personally.
 

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