Okay, let's fire

[Capt. Tuttle]

Hoops brings in 32 million. I don’t know how that money is being spent but it isn’t very efficient given the state of the program. The 2nd best revenue producing squad should not be crying poverty when it comes to coaching. If we can’t compete with powerhouse cash cows like….. [checks list] Marquette, then we have bigger problems than Red

Title IX eats up a lot of that.

 

[Bayside44]

New coach + Same NIL budget = Same problems.

Keep Red.

Give Taylor Swift an honorary degree.

As a new alum, maybe she'll leave a blank space on the check.

And she'll write your name.

(then you can give it back to SU)

 

[Red2003]

Not sure if anyone else brought this up but what about forcing his hand on his staff? Could we allocate more money for assistants and require him to replace at least two, or maybe the whole crew?

Maybe Red is a decent CEO but needs X’s and O’s help? Not unheard of.

My biggest concern with Red is the guys he’s had a chance to watch play and practice intimately and chosen to feature or at least keep around:

JJ (good kid, talented athlete, not a star basketball player)

Benny — actively brought him back after two miserable, tumultuous seasons.

Bell — I’ve been impressed with his improvement in certain areas this year (working harder on defense, moving a bit more on offense) but, let’s face it, it has not worked out.

Taylor — bringing him back last year was odd to me. Just didn’t feel like a winning player at an ACC level at any point in two full seasons.

That crew is puzzling to me. You can give Red some credit for Judah (yes, people hate the kid, but at least a very talented hoops player) and retaining Brown and Q for a second year. That I like. But, man, building around JJ and Bell with a big NIL deal for Lampkin felt strange to me all summer. It feels worse now.

But, anyway, maybe the assistants are gone and we try to bring in a new crew to support red at the top?

I'm not going to comment on all the players. but I'm interested if something needs to change at the assistant level. Then again we just hired a new one and that didnt help.

 

[LAorange44]

Title IX eats up a lot of that.

Title ix impacts every other school too. If our women’s programs are dependent on hoops money, then all the more reason to invest and to keep hoops in prime condition. A dip in hoops revenue means a dip in women’s sports funding.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

There's nothing wrong with the books, the issue is that SU has to come up with 20+ million next year for NIL and right now isn't close. That's why the program is bussing to certain games and Sau is trying to save where they can.

I don’t know if there are “accounting issues” or not, but the way NIL is functioning and the House decision are stupid and detrimental long term to college athletics. I’ll see you in hell OttoinGrotto .

 

[Scooch]

let’s at least be honest with ourselves

We will absolutely not be patient enough to see 5 years of anyone if their first or second year looks like this one

No one needs 5 years to be successful in college basketball.

 

[Orangezoo]

I think the coach alone moves the needle. Let's see what our portal haul looks like. I bet it's really good. And it's been just 1 year.

I am hopeful. I was hopeful in 2018 when things were far less dire for hoops and football had momentum then (albeit Fran and Dino are not created equal).

 

[Scooch]

I feel like every conversation about an underperforming SU team is Groundhog Day.

It’s all the same talking points: you commoners don’t understand the hole we’re in… the money isn’t there… problems with institutional support… new recruiting/portal world that you can’t understand how disadvantaged we are… allusions to shadowy insider stuff…

And then we hire the right guy and most of that stuff disappears.

This isn’t rocket science, it’s college basketball. The right head coach will get the money, get the players and be good. Maybe that’s Red, maybe it’s not.

People gotta stop making this out to be some kind of unsolvable crisis though.

 

[Trueblue25]

the university put all its chips in football, which money wise it still has hardly delivered on what its said it would. Thank god for Fran. Sports are handled by a dinosaur of a University thats not prepared for the modern day way of things.

Coaches move the needle for money support outside the university and no one is buying what Red’s selling. Case closed.

 

[billsin01]

I'm not going to comment on all the players. but I'm interested if something needs to change at the assistant level. Then again we just hired a new one and that didnt help.

To clarify: not saying the kids can’t play, but that we seem to have miscast some of them in particular roles.

My thought is maybe the call on who to hire isn’t red’s — or not red’s solely. Or maybe it is Red’s but the edict is to clear house essentially and start over and we try to find a way to increase the budget? Not sure. Sort of a last-ditch effort.

 

[Cuse1055]

the university put all its chips in football, which money wise it still has hardly delivered on what its said it would. Thank god for Fran. Sports are handled by a dinosaur of a University thats not prepared for the modern day way of things. You’re going to continue to see every program thats not football suffer and deteriorate until theres major changes

Coaches move the needle for money support outside the university and no one is buying what Red’s selling. Case closed.

Which is sad because, as good as football is and its tradition, Syracuse as a university AND city has always been identified by basketball. Truly saddens me to see where things have gotten and the apathy that now surrounds the program.

 

[Scooch]

To clarify: not saying the kids can’t play, but that we seem to have miscast some of them in particular roles.

My thought is maybe the call on who to hire isn’t red’s — or not red’s solely. Or maybe it is Red’s but the edict is to clear house essentially and start over and we try to find a way to increase the budget? Not sure. Sort of a last-ditch effort.

I’m not sure that heavy handed approach ever really works though. They made Dino change staff but it didn’t solve the problem that was Dino being the head coach.

If Autry’s not capable enough to employ the best staff he can then he’s not capable enough to be HC.

 

[AZOrange]

One small nugget about Reds indecisiveness…I’ve never seen so many instances of a coach getting someone up off the bench to pull a guy only to pull him back before the stoppage. Red has done that at least a half dozen times this year.

 

[Red2003]

I feel like every conversation about an underperforming SU team is Groundhog Day.

It’s all the same talking points: you commoners don’t understand the hole we’re in… the money isn’t there… problems with institutional support… new recruiting/portal world that you can’t understand how disadvantaged we are… allusions to shadowy insider stuff…

And then we hire the right guy and most of that stuff disappears.

This isn’t rocket science, it’s college basketball. The right head coach will get the money, get the players and be good. Maybe that’s Red, maybe it’s not.

People gotta stop making this out to be some kind of unsolvable crisis though.

The unsolvable crisis is the when and the who. If it's so easy just give us the when and who that you would pick. Guarantee you don't get even 10% of this board to agree that it's possible or with the coach you pick.

 

[AZOrange]

I’m not sure that heavy handed approach ever really works though. They made Dino change staff but it didn’t solve the problem that was Dino being the head coach.

If Autry’s not capable enough to employ the best staff he can then he’s not capable enough to be HC.

Yeah he clearly has a recruiting staff not a game staff

 

[Scooch]

He unsolvable crisis is the when and the who. If it's so easy just give us the when and who that you would pick. Guarantee you don't get even 10% of this board to agree that it's possible or with the coach you pick.

Right because that’s my job. I’m not the AD. And I certainly don’t follow men’s college basketball closely enough to have a list of candidates.

The “when” will probably be after next season. Smarter people than me can figure out the “who”.

 

[Cuseball]

One small nugget about Reds indecisiveness…I’ve never seen so many instances of a coach getting someone up off the bench to pull a guy only to pull him back before the stoppage. Red has done that at least a half dozen times this year.

I’ve noticed that too. It’s shocking because in any aspect of leadership you have a plan and you have thought out the various possibilities beforehand. It appears red has not or is not capable of that. This does feel like a Kenny Payne situation.

 

[dan7800]

Marquette has a solid team. Their location is worse than Upstate NY weather wise. I cannot imagine they have more $$$ than SU? How do they do it?

 

[IthacaMatt]

Fran was the number one recruiter in the country. Not really a fair comparison.

If there are no performance-based buyout clauses in contracts for first time head coaches, to me that's malpractice by the AD.

And Autry has brought in our two best recruiting classes in a decade, with 2 McDonald's AAs. Recruiting is the one thing you can give him credit for. The rest of it is a mess.

 

[Orangefizz]

Marquette has a solid team. Their location is worse than Upstate NY weather wise. I cannot imagine they have more $$$ than SU? How do they do it?

Shaka and no fb team

 

[Cusefan0307]

I feel like every conversation about an underperforming SU team is Groundhog Day.

It’s all the same talking points: you commoners don’t understand the hole we’re in… the money isn’t there… problems with institutional support… new recruiting/portal world that you can’t understand how disadvantaged we are… allusions to shadowy insider stuff…

And then we hire the right guy and most of that stuff disappears.

This isn’t rocket science, it’s college basketball. The right head coach will get the money, get the players and be good. Maybe that’s Red, maybe it’s not.

People gotta stop making this out to be some kind of unsolvable crisis though.

I find much of the talk about money as an excuse. Good coaching may have us 9-1 right now. We’ve completely mismanaged the end of every close game. You can add the ones we won as well. We tried to give them away.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Shaka and no fb team

Marquette has ZERO transfers. They recruit guys and keep them.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Syracuse hasn’t been in the KenPom top-30 for a decade. This decline isn’t new. It’s not NIL, it’s not the house decision it’s not the players misbehaving.

Coaching has been dreadful and the School & AD has sat back and let it happen.

 

[Scooch]

I find much of the talk about money as an excuse. Good coaching may have us 9-1 right now. We’ve completely mismanaged the end of every close game. You can add the ones we won as well. We tried to give them away.

I agree. I have no doubt that there are systemic challenges with our funding. At the same time, this mess of a season hangs largely on poor roster construction and in game deficiencies.

But I’ll say even more explicitly, if I read more vague comments from supposed “insiders” demeaning the intelligence of fans because they know some unspeakable secret about money or whatever, I’m goin to lose my sh!!.

Be transparent or STefF U. IMHO.

Apparently we missed on a PG target because we got outbid? At least that’s the tea leaves I read because the usual suspects won’t actually say it. Instead they coyly allude to it in a patronizing tone.

 

[MikeSU02]

I agree. I have no doubt that there are systemic challenges with our funding. At the same time, this mess of a season hangs largely on poor roster construction and in game deficiencies.

But I’ll say even more explicitly, if I read more vague comments from supposed “insiders” demeaning the intelligence of fans because they know some unspeakable secret about money or whatever, I’m goin to lose my sh!!.

Be transparent or STefF U. IMHO.

Apparently we missed on a PG target because we got outbid? At least that’s the tea leaves I read because the usual suspects won’t actually say it. Instead they coyly allude to it in a patronizing tone.

But Red said that JC would be good, so it shouldn’t even matter!

/s