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Anybody heard if some OLs will move to DL? 7 DL (when you cross off guys who weigh 220 lbs) isn't going to cut it.
 
Media Day is July 30.

I'm sure Dino will say what his plans are.
 
OrangeinBoston said:
7 DL (when you cross off guys who weigh 220 lbs).
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What does this mean? There are five non-frosh defensive tackles, all of whom weigh at least 280.

Of the 7 defensive ends listed, Morton (at 220) seems like a prime redshirt candidate, while Walton's position (230) doesn't look to be determined yet. And don't discount Berry because of his weight. He'll probably be a situational guy, but that's another player in the rotation.
 
I think anyone who isn't a freshman and not on the 2 deep should consider it.

Maybe it's the injuries or maybe it's been the instability in coaching the last 13 years but it seems like we have a position of need and then we over recruit that position hoping it will work out. Then it leaves us thin in another area if someone gets hurt. I know it's tough to find interior defensive lineman That are big enough and strong enough to play right away but controlling the line of scrimmage always seems to be one of the things that separate The Clemsons and FSUs from Cuse.
 
LeMoyneCuse said:
What does this mean? There are five non-frosh defensive tackles, all of whom weigh at least 280.

Of the 7 defensive ends listed, Morton (at 220) seems like a prime redshirt candidate, while Walton's position (230) doesn't look to be determined yet. And don't discount Berry because of his weight. He'll probably be a situational guy, but that's another player in the rotation.
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?? I count 6 DL who are non-FR and > 240 lbs: Ruff, Grosvenor, Samuels, Slayton, Williams, Pickard.
The concern is being able to hold up against ACC OL for the duration of a game. In my view, FR will have to play and some OL, as mentioned above - some lower on the depth chart, might be pressed into service.
 
OrangeinBoston said:
?? I count 6 DL who are non-FR and > 240 lbs: Ruff, Grosvenor, Samuels, Slayton, Williams, Pickard.
The concern is being able to hold up against ACC OL for the duration of a game. In my view, FR will have to play and some OL, as mentioned above - some lower on the depth chart, might be pressed into service.
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OrangeinBoston said:
?? I count 6 DL who are non-FR and > 240 lbs: Ruff, Grosvenor, Samuels, Slayton, Williams, Pickard.
The concern is being able to hold up against ACC OL for the duration of a game. In my view, FR will have to play and some OL, as mentioned above - some lower on the depth chart, might be pressed into service.
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Freshman will have to play, yes. Harper especially. I disagree on "having" to move an offensive lineman to defense. I think you'd see a lot more 3-3-5 before Donnie Foster moves to nose guard.
 
LeMoyneCuse said:
Freshman will have to play, yes. Harper especially. I disagree on "having" to move an offensive lineman to defense. I think you'd see a lot more 3-3-5 before Donnie Foster moves to nose guard.
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Ooooff...3 - 3 - 5. Invitation to be run on, no?
 
LeMoyneCuse said:
Freshman will have to play, yes. Harper especially. I disagree on "having" to move an offensive lineman to defense. I think you'd see a lot more 3-3-5 before Donnie Foster moves to nose guard.
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No doubt, I agree with you on 3-3-5 being the answer, given our depth concerns. However, Duerig to me seems like a guy that potentially could be a DT in a pinch. Not ideal at all though. Don't think this is an especially easy switch.
 
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these threads are the worst. sure some guys play both ways in high school but they were recruited here for a particular side of the ball. its not easy to just hop over and expect to do the job at an ACC level.
 
Just gotta hope they bring in 3-4 DT's in the 2018 class. I would guess two JUCO and two Frosh. Or maybe 1 grad transfer, 1 juco, 2 frosh. whatever it is.
 
cusefan88 said:
Just gotta hope they bring in 3-4 DT's in the 2018 class. I would guess two JUCO and two Frosh. Or maybe 1 grad transfer, 1 juco, 2 frosh. whatever it is.
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Still, that's next year. This year already has that white knuckle feel to it with this unit. One or two injuries and there is going to be a lot of drinking...
 
blizz said:
Still, that's next year. This year already has that white knuckle feel to it with this unit. One or two injuries and there is going to be a lot of drinking...
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I have a few suggestions
 
blizz said:
Still, that's next year. This year already has that white knuckle feel to it with this unit. One or two injuries and there is going to be a lot of drinking...
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It seems as though the staff has begun to tangibly address talent deficiencies at several key positional units -- most notably WR, QB, LB, and DB. I feel like that process has already begun at OL, as well, but we still have a ways to go before that group is replenished. Not sure that we have the capacity to "spare" any OL, given that OL was so depleted last season.

There isn't really a good short term answer, beyond having to ride it out and hope that there aren't major injuries. Improvement at DL for both the DT and DE units are going to have to come from within, with the returning players at both roles.

That means that at DT we need to rely upon Samuels to step up and play better than he did last year, for Mt. McKinley to grow into his frame and be ready for a bigger role, for a highly touted kid like Ruff to "grow" into his new position and adapt to playing inside with his hand on the ground, for Harper to contribute in a platoon capacity year 1, etc.

And at DE, that Black / Coleman benefit from being thrown to the wolves last year and are more ready to compete physically then they were as true frosh, for a highly rated guy like Pickard to play to his potential [he didn't contribute much last season], and for Berry to come in as an experienced player who is capable of contributing.

Lots of ifs there, but those things happening seem like a better bet to come to fruition than moving an OL and hoping that they can contribute at a high level.
 
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PAcuse said:
We will be fine, no need to move an OL over, no need to switch to 3-3-5, and no need to switch to 3-4.
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I should clarify to say that I'd be shocked if there was a change to the base 4-3. No 3-3-5, No 3-4. I'm just trying to say that they'd seek other options before moving linemen over.
 
LeMoyneCuse said:
I should clarify to say that I'd be shocked if there was a change to the base 4-3. No 3-3-5, No 3-4. I'm just trying to say that they'd seek other options before moving linemen over.
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100% agree that I think they try everything before moving a kid over full time.
 
PAcuse said:
100% agree that I think they try everything before moving a kid over full time.
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Agreed -- we're stuck with what we have. The only thing I could see shaking up the mix would be if there was a late add from a leaving no rock unturned standpoint -- like finding some kid at Milford they like who was planning on going prep, but elects to come here instead. Or maybe some JUCO that's only played one year but is academically qualified.

Not suggesting that there IS anybody out there who fits that bill and would be good enough to crack the two-deep available at this point [my kingdom for a Jay Bromley type of late add].
 
RF2044 said:
It seems as though the staff has begun to tangibly address talent deficiencies at several key positional units -- most notably WR, QB, LB, and DB. I feel like that process has already begun at OL, as well, but we still have a ways to go before that group is replenished. Not sure that we have the capacity to "spare" any OL, given that OL was so depleted last season.

There isn't really a good short term answer, beyond having to ride it out and hope that there aren't major injuries. Improvement at DL for both the DT and DE units are going to have to come from within, with the returning players at both roles.

That means that at DT we need to rely upon Samuels to step up and play better than he did last year, for Mt. McKinley to grow into his frame and be ready for a bigger role, for a highly touted kid like Ruff to "grow" into his new position and adapt to playing inside with his hand on the ground, for Harper to contribute in a platoon capacity year 1, etc.

And at DE, that Black / Coleman benefit from being thrown to the wolves last year and are more ready to compete physically then they were as true frosh, for a highly rated guy like Pickard to play to his potential [he didn't contribute much last season], and for Berry to come in as an experienced player who is capable of contributing.

Lots of ifs there, but those things happening seem like a better bet to come to fruition than moving an OL and hoping that they can contribute at a high level.
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This is really spot on. I think a number of developments are encouraging. Hiring Stanard and focusing a lot of the coaching resources (2 out of 3 defensive assistants, correct me if wrong) on the D-line is another. Williams and Ruff have made huge gains in the weight room which are reflected in their playing weights. I've heard Kendall Coleman has also worked extremely hard and made some big gains in functional strength. I even saw a video clip recently of Pickard crushing a 4 ft box jump...not bad for a big guy. All of this bodes well. The hits in depth hurt...the very shabby security blanket that we had is gone. I'm optimistic that the play will elevate this season, but the margins are razor thin. I want to see alot of dline bodies in the 2018 class, it's a must.
 
jr4750 said:
No doubt, I agree with you on 3-3-5 being the answer, given our depth concerns. However, Duerig to me seems like a guy that potentially could be a DT in a pinch. Not ideal at all though. Don't think this is an especially easy switch.
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Just came upon this thread and you took the words outta my mouth. Deurig may beca good candidate here given his size and feet. Thing is you never know how an OL will adjust to taking on the double teams, down blocks, being roughed up from all angles.
 
"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want."

We may take our lumps again this year. We just have to hope that another year of maturity makes our returning guys better. If a freshman is ready to contribute, great.
 
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