Ollie just lost it

[Cowtown]

Apparently that same ref had a fan ejected last night too lol.

Someone might not have thick enough skin to be officiating a basketball game.

That may be. But I also think way too many American sports fans are outrageously abusive of officials. They somehow seem to think since they bought a ticket, they're entitled a.) every call and b.) behave like s when they don't. That's not news, I know. But what may be is the fact this cultivates the growth of an immense ego amongst way too many of those who make it to the top. They've taken so much and abuse on the way up they learn to block out criticism. They get like cops that way, in thinking that no matter what else happens, a.) they're the only one who know what's really going on; and b.) you back your partner(s) no matter what, because they're the only real friends you have out there. In their position, we all would, too.

As well, that development of an inward-looking orientation produces another deleterious effect, the old boys club at the top of officiating associations. What that means is far too many officials thus rise by politicking rather than on ability. Better and younger officials simply can't move up, and many lose interest and go find something else to do. And make no mistake, while the three man system was necessary, it extended by at least ten years the careers of fossils like Higgins and Burr, etc. There's no way they could handle those games with a 2 man crew.

 

[Cowtown]

He always looks like he's on the verge of crying on the sideline. Very bad call and understandable meltdown by Ollie, his over the top reaction deserved a tech but seemed dumb of the ref to overreact even more by throwing him out instead of defusing the situation. The ref showed himself up even more on that bad call by throwing him out. Now millions will see his bad call in constant replays because the ref escalated an already bad situation. No winner here.

In their pregame, they always talk about what happens after a coach is T'd. As in, you get away from him, go record the T, and let the rest of the crew handle him, talk him down, etc. That bang-bang double T is a bad situation, and reflects badly on officials. Especially when you toss a guy whose income depends on holding down a coaching job.

And let's also consider the pressure on Ollie. He's following a guy who won 3 NCAA's and put program on the national stage. Today that program is sputtering through no fault of his, but he's surely going to be judged based on how he handles it. I wouldn't have that job for anything.

 

[Cusefan95]

Very true and what was said could have been why the 2nd T came so quickly. The bottom line is that Ollie lost his composure thus the thread title. I've seen plenty of Coach's get upset, argue and pursue the refs but usually there is some measure of control of plan to get a T fire up the team and move on. I had the distinct impression that Ollie was seriously out of control and melting down.

There is no reason for the quick second T. Zip. Zero. Nada. None.

I couldn't care less what Ollie said, anyone that thinks that quick second T is defensible is an outright lunatic. And if something like that happened to JB, I am 10000000% certain the same people attempting to defend the second T would be going ballistic about it.

I hate UConn as much as anyone - but that was a horses# call. Lets not sit here defending it just because it came against UConn.

 

[jordoo]

There is no reason for the quick second T. Zip. Zero. Nada. None.

I couldn't care less what Ollie said, anyone that thinks that quick second T is defensible is an outright lunatic. And if something like that happened to JB, I am 10000000% certain the same people attempting to defend the second T would be going ballistic about it.

I hate UConn as much as anyone - but that was a horses# call. Lets not sit here defending it just because it came against UConn.

When did I ever defend the 2nd T? In fact I believe I called it very quick then confirmed with another poster that we don't know what Ollie said and perhaps that's was why it was so quick. I can admit that it was a bad call and a very quick second T at least admit that Ollie lost it.

 

[dinno28]

after the second t Ollie looked like he really wanted to go after the ref ... he tried to circle back a few times ... if looks could kill...

 

[Cowtown]

There is no reason for the quick second T. Zip. Zero. Nada. None.

I couldn't care less what Ollie said, anyone that thinks that quick second T is defensible is an outright lunatic.

That's a bit over the top. Especially since by your own admission, you don't know what Ollie said to him. For while I don't like what happened, Ollie's been down to the gym once or twice before, he knows where the line is.

 

[Cusefan95]

That's a bit over the top. Especially since by your own admission, you don't know what Ollie said to him. For while I don't like what happened, Ollie's been down to the gym once or twice before, he knows where the line is.

Give an example of what, in your mind, would have been so unacceptable to say that would justify the second T. what I'm saying is there is no such thing - so my not knowing what he said is irrelevant.

 

[Cowtown]

Give an example of what, in your mind, would have been so unacceptable to say that would justify the second T. what I'm saying is there is no such thing - so my not knowing what he said is irrelevant.

Maybe he called the ref an "outright lunatic."

 

[longtimefan]

Give an example of what, in your mind, would have been so unacceptable to say that would justify the second T. what I'm saying is there is no such thing - so my not knowing what he said is irrelevant.

Maybe he called him a Cracker M'Fer.

 

[Dave85]

I could see Pitino having more quiet conversations with refs. "Listen...that's a bad call and you know it...you will make it up to me or I promise a family member will have some bad luck driving home from work next week."

"Hey, howa ya doing. You keep calling the game dat way...and your brother-in-law will be swimming with da fiches".

 

[jordoo]

Maybe he called him a Cracker M'Fer.

I'm white and would have a hard time not laughing if someone said that to me. I'm not the sensitive type and I am not in favor of racial slurs but I've never understood why people find them personally offensive. Its more offensive toward the user of the slurs itelligence and an indication of their ignorance than anything else. If all you can come up with is a slur you've already lost.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Ollie needs to smile and try to look comfortable sometimes- the constant Pepto Bismol scowl gets old after a while.
That being said, it was a bogus call and his overreaction took the onus off of the pathetic officiating, where it should've remained.
They have to figure out a way for officials to be more accountable, like a quick postgame presser or something. That way they can admit they blew a call or stand their ground. Either way, fans would see some closure about the game.

 

[Cusefan95]

Maybe he called the ref an "outright lunatic."

In other words - you got nothing.

It's fine that you feel sympathy towards officials since you happen to be one yourself...but you defending the officials in this case (which you are doing, albeit subtly...) - just proves to me you are unable to take an unbiased stance in discussions of officials.

 

[Cowtown]

In other words - you got nothing.

It's fine that you feel sympathy towards officials since you happen to be one yourself...but you defending the officials in this case (which you are doing, albeit subtly...) - just proves to me you are unable to take an unbiased stance in discussions of officials.

Gee, and all this time I thought I was entitled to my own opinion. Thanks for straightening me out on that.

 

[Dave85]

"Hey, howa ya doing. You keep calling the game dat way...and your brother-in-law will be swimming with da fiches".

capisce!

 

[Cusefan95]

Gee, and all this time I thought I was entitled to my own opinion. Thanks for straightening me out on that.

All I'm asking for is clarification on your opinion. You said we don't know what he said that caused the double T so it might be justified. I asked what would justify it. You are incapable (or unwilling) to answer that.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but clearly you are unwilling to engage in any legitimate debate regarding your opinion. You are a clown, I'm done with you.

 

[zibby]

They don't care, those are union jobs and have no repercussions for being terrible.

Idiot. Referees are independent contractors. The AAC can choose not to hire that ref in the future.

 

[OrangeCrush22]

Ollie was completely justified. I'm certain that any coach in his shoes would have been tossed. Ollie was ejected almost immediately. It wasn't because he tried to get in the ref's face, he did that afterwards. I doubt anything actually bad was said. Just some 's thrown Mike Stuart's way.

 

[orange79]

Ollie was completely justified. I'm certain that any coach in his shoes would have been tossed. Ollie was ejected almost immediately. It wasn't because he tried to get in the ref's face, he did that afterwards. I doubt anything actually bad was said. Just some 's thrown Mike Stuart's way.

Right. No reason for the 'almost immediate' ejection. I'm sure nothing bad was said.

 

[Cowtown]

All I'm asking for is clarification on your opinion. You said we don't know what he said that caused the double T so it might be justified. I asked what would justify it. You are incapable (or unwilling) to answer that.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but clearly you are unwilling to engage in any legitimate debate regarding your opinion. You are a clown, I'm done with you.

I'm devastated.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I could see Pitino having more quiet conversations with refs. "Listen...that's a bad call and you know it...you will make it up to me or I promise I will take your wife out for pasta."

fixed

 

[OrangeCrush22]

Right. No reason for the 'almost immediate' ejection. I'm sure nothing bad was said.

I'm not a member of the moral police, I don't consider any words inherently bad. However, Kevin Ollie wasn't ejected for anything he said.

Mike Stuart explicitly stated that the first technical foul was issued because Ollie ran down the sideline. This is ridiculous as Ollie never left the area allotted to him as a coach.

The second technical and ejection was issued because Ollie "came on the floor". If you watch the video this is true, but the claim is ridiculous when taken in context. The whistle had been blown to issue the technical, and play was stopped. Ollie takes a few steps onto the court, then begin walking sideways not approaching Stuart, while yelling. This is when he is ejected.

The situation reflects absolutely terribly on Mike Stuart. The sequence of events clearly shows he is not able to put aside emotions when officiating, this leads to games being called unfairly.

 

[pearl31]

as much as I loathe all things ucon they (specifically Ollie) did get screwed with that non-call and ejection

 

[Marsh01]

as much as I loathe all things ucon they (specifically Ollie) did get screwed with that non-call and ejection

Heres the thing. They were not winning that game anyways so it really didnt matter.