One Coach Name I like

[IthacaMatt]

When healthy he’s our best player. He shouldn’t have to be though. The rest of the guys around him are worse.

Donnie should play a high-low game with Eddie on the low block. Donnie can hit the foul line or elbow jumper, and he can literally jump over most of his defenders. He should do that until they stop him. And once in a while, dive to the rim so Eddie can feed you on the cut, like Arinze used to do with Rick.

That's what I would be asking him to do. Then, when they cheat inside and double team you to stop you, THEN you step outside to try an uncontested three. Taking a 3 shouldn't be nearly 1/3 of his overall FG attempts. It's giving away his physical advantage.

 

[kcsu]

He has had plenty of time to prove that he has no idea how to construct, manage, or develop a roster, not to mention the horror show in-game decision-making. It blows my mind that anyone can look at the program at this point and not see what has happened. Some of ya'll are just too close to it.

You're living in the past. A rebuild with a competent coach can happen in Year 1. To see a decline in Year 2 is termination-worthy for any serious program.

Yes it can IF the money is behind the decision. If the new coach doesn't have the full support of the boosters it will be impossible for them to succeed. There was a tremendous amount of work done behind the scenes to ensure that Fran was going to have the support he felt that he needed to be successful.
As a second example go back to Gmac being hired. Remember how it took longer for the Official announcement. Guess what? That was because G wasn't going to coach there unless he was assured he would receive adequate booster support.
So don't be naive and think it's a simple process to replace a legend and change out coaches every two years. It doesn't happen like and Syracuse doesn't have the resources to play the revolving coach game.
What SU needs way more than a new coach is money. Specifically NIL money. Maybe Melo, maybe Adam can get behind the program and help bring in some talent. Maybe our new GM can help identify the right players to spend that money on and just maybe with some talent Red will magically become a solid coach. Who knows. But what I do know is that unless JW has the boosters behind him it won't matter who coaches the team.

 

[kcsu]

completely disagree with your stance. The coach is responsible for all aspects of the program. This includes roster construction, team fit, getting your team to play hard, disciplined, coming out ready every game. This includes being fundamentally sound and the ability to make adjustments to outscheme the opponent. Autry consistently comes up short in all these areas. Trying to just blame it on NIL is a major cop out. Every coach has to work through these things. Some schools have more NIL and some have less.

I look at the top 25 and I see 4 first year coaches. Michigan, West Virginia, Louisville and Kentucky.

I see a couple 2nd year coaches
St . John’s and Ole Miss.


I see teams like Iowa State, Houston, Marquette, Wisconsin, Missouri, Miss State, Ole Miss, Vandy, Utah State. West Virginia

There are some schools on this list with better funding and some with less. What those schools all seem to have is competent head coaches that give them an advantage vs a disadvantage.

Name the ones with less.

 

[kcsu]

the other leverage JB used is when he did sit someone down, that someone sat next to him and got a long winding a$$ chewing. In additional can make player do extra drills at practices.

Like Kadary? Your wrong. In today's environment they would tell Jim to
FO and transfer.

 

[RyanCuse44]

Louisville: New HC - proven mid-major winner, tourney bound
WVU: New HC - proven mid-major winner, tourney bound
Vanderbilt: New HC - proven mid-major winner, tourney bound

Hire winners, at any level. This doesn't have to be complicated.

You can add Michigan to that list as well.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Donnie should play a high-low game with Eddie on the low block.

Donnie ain't coming back.

Name the ones with less.

If SU can't compete with Iowa State, Houston, Marquette, Wisconsin, Missouri, Miss State, Ole Miss, Vandy, Utah State. West Virginia then just fold up the program and focus on playing LeMoyne, Colgate, Siena, and Cornell.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

Using Coach Fran as an example, who do we see on the basketball side having his same connectivity to the community, fire and passion, and ability to really connect with young athletes. I see Devo having similar qualities as coach Fran

LOL

 

[PhatOrange]

Like Kadary? Your wrong. In today's environment they would tell Jim to
FO and transfer.

I don't necessarily buy that because imo most successful coaches are probably tough coaches.

JB definitely had his fair share of transfers over the years in the old environment. But one thing that I think makes coaches successful is the ability to get players to buy in and therefore will play hard for you. you can still be a tough hard ass coach in today's environment as long as you have a good culture and your kids buy in and believe in you.

 

[miamicuse]

Like Kadary? Your wrong. In today's environment they would tell Jim to
FO and transfer.

May be, but that means the coaches signed the wrong guys. You could have all 5* recruits but if they are not coachable and don't play defense, talk back to the coaches, miss practices than the coaches haven't evaluated the kids well enough for fit.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

So don't be naive and think it's a simple process...

Yeah, this is pretty much why I wanted a real coaching search involving multiple candidates with meaningful credentials.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Donnie ain't coming back.

If SU can't compete with Iowa State, Houston, Marquette, Wisconsin, Missouri, Miss State, Ole Miss, Vandy, Utah State. West Virginia then just fold up the program and focus on playing LeMoyne, Colgate, Siena, and Cornell.

Well, if that's the case, he's not going to wind up at Duke. He's in for a surprise.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Like Kadary? Your wrong. In today's environment they would tell Jim to
FO and transfer.

And that's fine. Where do those guys go, if they don't get playing time and don't put up numbers?
Who is going to give them a big bag?

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don't necessarily buy that because imo most successful coaches are probably tough coaches.

JB definitely had his fair share of transfers over the years in the old environment. But one thing that I think makes coaches successful is the ability to get players to buy in and therefore will play hard for you. you can still be a tough hard ass coach in today's environment as long as you have a good culture and your kids buy in and believe in you.

Just look at Fran. Definitely a tough, hard ass coach.

And people were busting my balls for saying pretty much the same thing recently, that we need that for hoops. Red needs to be tougher and more demanding of the players. There need to be consequences if they don't try on defense, or make the same careless mistakes on offense.

 

[tbonezone]

i'd say that you'd probably have to give a longer leash to a new outside hire guy (like fran brown ). but a guy who's been in the program 10 years should be ready to go day one.

 

[CarlsbergMD]

Louisville: New HC - proven mid-major winner, tourney bound
WVU: New HC - proven mid-major winner, tourney bound
Vanderbilt: New HC - proven mid-major winner, tourney bound

Hire winners, at any level. This doesn't have to be complicated.

I'd say a significant portion of Cuse fanbase think Mike Hopkins should be brought back because he's a "Syracuse Guy"...I advocated for guys like Dennis Gates and Chris Jain to be the next HC back when it was apparent Boeheim was phoning it in...I'm not sure why so many people want a Cuse guy to replace Boeheim, especially Autry...Is it some sort of inferiority complex because Duke put Scheyer in, and we think as a fan base we are on Duke's level? Or are people around here so sentimental that it has to be a former player because it brings them comfort?

Chris Jain had 2 30 win seasons at New Mexico State, and he's made the cow college Miss St. relevant...He's not without baggage from his 1 year at Bowling Green, but if you're able to win at NMSU and Miss St, you're a decent HC, imo.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I'd say a significant portion of Cuse fanbase think Mike Hopkins should be brought back because he's a "Syracuse Guy"...I advocated for guys like Dennis Gates and Chris Jain to be the next HC back when it was apparent Boeheim was phoning it in...I'm not sure why so many people want a Cuse guy to replace Boeheim, especially Autry...Is it some sort of inferiority complex because Duke put Scheyer in, and we think as a fan base we are on Duke's level? Or are people around here so sentimental that it has to be a former player because it brings them comfort?

Chris Jain had 2 30 win seasons at New Mexico State, and he's made the cow college Miss St. relevant...He's not without baggage from his 1 year at Bowling Green, but if you're able to win at NMSU and Miss St, you're a decent HC, imo.

Can he recruit the northeast? That's kind of a pre-requisite, right?

 

[Cuse_NYC]

How came Jason Hart is never brought up when “cuse guys” are mentioned?

 

[Fly Rodder]

How came Jason Hart is never brought up when “cuse guys” are mentioned?

Search results for query: "Jason Hart"

syracusefan.com

 

[tbonezone]

i mean if you want to stick with a "syracuse" guy as sole criteria , dump the entire JB staff and bring in carmelo next season to coach his boy ala deion sanders . he's not gonna need a boatload of cash (he loaded) and he's not gonna lose any recruits or likely current players. guaranteed to drum up interest locally and nationally . NIL... no problem . he can't possibly do worse than what we already got and he could help us with high profile recruiting ( what young baller wouldn't love a visit from carmelo ? he's still young and might find the challenge interesting . and then he can quietly go away like crissy mullins and patrick ewing after a couple seasons handing it off to the young up and coming outside assistant coach hire that mr. billy beancounter we're paying for one purpose has identified . problem solved.

 

[IthacaMatt]

How came Jason Hart is never brought up when “cuse guys” are mentioned?

I like Jason Hart. But he is in his first year as an assistant at Kentucky, after having coached a G League team. Plus most of his contacts and coaching jobs have been on the West Coast.

 

[Admiral33]

Everyone realizes that if Autry gets fired, we probably lose Freeman, White, Kiyan at minimum. Double edged sword.

 

[cusefan88]

Everyone realizes that if Autry gets fired, we probably lose Freeman, White, Kiyan at minimum. Double edged sword.

No recruits are worth keeping if the coaching is bad.

 

[721Comstock]

Everyone realizes that if Autry gets fired, we probably lose Freeman, White, Kiyan at minimum. Double edged sword.

Maybe, maybe not.

Choppa still came even after JAB retired got shown the door.

And it looks like Donnie Freeman is in He Gone status already.

Now, IF we got Red’s replacement done fairly quickly, it’s possible to salvage the 2025 class.

But either way, you can’t let what may or may not happen w a handful of croots who may or may not even be that impactful,
in any way shape the decision to move on from Red, if that is what needs to happen for the good of the program’s long term success.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Maybe, maybe not.

Choppa still came even after JAB retired got shown the door.

And it looks like Donnie Freeman is in He Gone status already.

Now, IF we got Red’s replacement done fairly quickly, it’s possible to salvage the 2025 class.

But either way, you can’t let what may or may not happen w a handful of croots who may or may not even be that impactful,
in any way shape the decision to move on from Red, if that is what needs to happen for the good of the program’s long term success.

We don’t need Melo & LaLa’s money anyways.

The next coach can buy a new team from the portal with $100 in NIL money and a thermos of coffee.

 

[tbonezone]

Everyone realizes that if Autry gets fired, we probably lose Freeman, White, Kiyan at minimum. Double edged sword.

BS speculation depending on the hire. those guys mentioned might actually want to win.