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One Coach Name I like

Have you ever coached? Look at the current state of college athletics. Coaches have no leverage to combat lack of effort, hustle, and all the things you cited. You can X and O all you want, but if your players can't or won't execute, there isn't much you can do...except get new players who will. While I agree with all of the things you think a coach should be able to control, but the reality is something different.
completely disagree with your stance. The coach is responsible for all aspects of the program. This includes roster construction, team fit, getting your team to play hard, disciplined, coming out ready every game. This includes being fundamentally sound and the ability to make adjustments to outscheme the opponent. Autry consistently comes up short in all these areas. Trying to just blame it on NIL is a major cop out. Every coach has to work through these things. Some schools have more NIL and some have less.

I look at the top 25 and I see 4 first year coaches. Michigan, West Virginia, Louisville and Kentucky.

I see a couple 2nd year coaches
St . John’s and Ole Miss.


I see teams like Iowa State, Houston, Marquette, Wisconsin, Missouri, Miss State, Ole Miss, Vandy, Utah State. West Virginia

There are some schools on this list with better funding and some with less. What those schools all seem to have is competent head coaches that give them an advantage vs a disadvantage.
 
Have you ever coached? Look at the current state of college athletics. Coaches have no leverage to combat lack of effort, hustle, and all the things you cited. You can X and O all you want, but if your players can't or won't execute, there isn't much you can do...except get new players who will. While I agree with all of the things you think a coach should be able to control, but the reality is something different.
Not entirely sure "no leverage" is the correct term here. They can always sit the player if he not giving 100%.
 
Cronin made headlines again over the weekend, this time for complaining about the number of east coast trips he's had to make. Even if his concerns are valid, that's what the money is for ($4.1M, to be exact, plus their NIL budget). I personally think it'll be old news in a few weeks, but maybe after the last couple seasons he'd be happier going down a level even if he has to eat part of his buyout.

I don't love his coaching style due to how much he shuns threes and his intensity is a little much, so he wouldn't be my first choice, but it's interesting I guess.
 
Have you ever coached? Look at the current state of college athletics. Coaches have no leverage to combat lack of effort, hustle, and all the things you cited. You can X and O all you want, but if your players can't or won't execute, there isn't much you can do...except get new players who will. While I agree with all of the things you think a coach should be able to control, but the reality is something different.
You obviously haven't watched dan hurley at Uconn.. if his players don't move on offense, hustle or box out it doesn't matter who they are their backsides are on the bench.. oh yeah, have you heard of Tom izzo? Lol.. same with him.. that's just two . Sorry doc coaches most certainly have leverage on their players for EVERY aspect of the game, as of right now red seems to be a deer in the headlights at times with our players
 
Have you ever coached? Look at the current state of college athletics. Coaches have no leverage to combat lack of effort, hustle, and all the things you cited. You can X and O all you want, but if your players can't or won't execute, there isn't much you can do...except get new players who will. While I agree with all of the things you think a coach should be able to control, but the reality is something different.
Not sure why you continue to excuse everything. Somehow, the teams we play against don't have this same problem. Why is it that their "reality is something different?"
 
Just putting this here.
 

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I agree talent is important but you have to be able to coach.
Look at Rutgers at 10-9
They have two NBA lottery picks. They also have two 4 star guys.
How much more talent do you need to win games. Not saying Pikiell is a bad coach but I believe other coaches would be excelling with talent like that.
 
Have you ever coached? Look at the current state of college athletics. Coaches have no leverage to combat lack of effort, hustle, and all the things you cited. You can X and O all you want, but if your players can't or won't execute, there isn't much you can do...except get new players who will. While I agree with all of the things you think a coach should be able to control, but the reality is something different.
There are teams out there playing as a cohesive unit, the kids execute what the coach demands and hustle. We are not unique. If we lack NIL funds to get good talent, than more NIL will not solve the issue either because all you end up with are divas with better talent if the coach isn't able to develop culture and schemes and get them to play together for the team. Either Red is not able to read people during recruiting or portal honey moon period to know who is not a good fit or he is not able to mold and coach them to play together. It's one or the other.

Actually if we follow your train of thought we should not bother with NIL as all we end up with are prima donnas that do not want to play hard. Further with the product and results those who previously contributed NIL probably are backing away from donating more since it seems Red is unable to maximize the committed NIL.

Look I like Red, I had hope he would be able to right the ship, but as others have stated time and time again, what I am seeing on the floor is not exclusively a lack of time to turn it around, or a lack of NIL to get good talent. It is a lack of scheme, lack of motivation, lack of team, lack of discipline, lack of an offensive or defensive system and a lot of that, in my opinion, is coaching.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it's an easy job, and I do recognize it's a much harder job now than say ten years ago. The coaches do have less leverage when you have kids who are being paid by sponsors and this payment is completely disconnected from the performance on the court. The kids are now receiving checks in six figures or more, at 19 years old they think they do not need to listen to the coaches, and the transfer portal give them more power to bail at the end of the season if they are not happy, all true, but every school is experiencing this and it takes a different kind of coach to survive and excel in this totally different landscape, it doesn't seem Red is made for this.

As far as leverage, the coach still have plenty. He could bench the players, as other coaches do. If all of Red's players are not listening and you can't bench them all than that's on Red too. Even though NIL is not paid by the school, it is still using Red as the middle man and he decides who gets what. So a player who misbehaves know that they may not get paid next year, may be everyone just plans to transfer in one year for this reason.

To me I think Red has failed to develop a system, offensive and defensive and this is what the main issue is. Secondly Red is too nice a person, he is nice to the players and they took advantage. We all cringed when JB used to talk down on a player during pressers but sometimes you do need to lit a fire under someone like "he had the same rebound as a dead man", that's leverage too, you send a message to a player for lack of effort and it gets noticed by his peers and media and shaming sometimes work, not to mention it may cause others to reconsider poaching this kid. When Jason Hart wants to back out of his NLI JB wouldn't let him. I bet Red would have let him go, he is too nice and that may be why the kids are out of control and why he is getting re-UPed so many times during portal negotiations.

I don't know what happens during practices and I don't know if they are scouting opponents prior to games but it looks like the players are not prepared and that's on coaching too.
 
There are teams out there playing as a cohesive unit, the kids execute what the coach demands and hustle. We are not unique. If we lack NIL funds to get good talent, than more NIL will not solve the issue either because all you end up with are divas with better talent if the coach isn't able to develop culture and schemes and get them to play together for the team. Either Red is not able to read people during recruiting or portal honey moon period to know who is not a good fit or he is not able to mold and coach them to play together. It's one or the other.

Actually if we follow your train of thought we should not bother with NIL as all we end up with are prima donnas that do not want to play hard. Further with the product and results those who previously contributed NIL probably are backing away from donating more since it seems Red is unable to maximize the committed NIL.

Look I like Red, I had hope he would be able to right the ship, but as others have stated time and time again, what I am seeing on the floor is not exclusively a lack of time to turn it around, or a lack of NIL to get good talent. It is a lack of scheme, lack of motivation, lack of team, lack of discipline, lack of an offensive or defensive system and a lot of that, in my opinion, is coaching.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it's an easy job, and I do recognize it's a much harder job now than say ten years ago. The coaches do have less leverage when you have kids who are being paid by sponsors and this payment is completely disconnected from the performance on the court. The kids are now receiving checks in six figures or more, at 19 years old they think they do not need to listen to the coaches, and the transfer portal give them more power to bail at the end of the season if they are not happy, all true, but every school is experiencing this and it takes a different kind of coach to survive and excel in this totally different landscape, it doesn't seem Red is made for this.

As far as leverage, the coach still have plenty. He could bench the players, as other coaches do. If all of Red's players are not listening and you can't bench them all than that's on Red too. Even though NIL is not paid by the school, it is still using Red as the middle man and he decides who gets what. So a player who misbehaves know that they may not get paid next year, may be everyone just plans to transfer in one year for this reason.

To me I think Red has failed to develop a system, offensive and defensive and this is what the main issue is. Secondly Red is too nice a person, he is nice to the players and they took advantage. We all cringed when JB used to talk down on a player during pressers but sometimes you do need to lit a fire under someone like "he had the same rebound as a dead man", that's leverage too, you send a message to a player for lack of effort and it gets noticed by his peers and media and shaming sometimes work, not to mention it may cause others to reconsider poaching this kid. When Jason Hart wants to back out of his NLI JB wouldn't let him. I bet Red would have let him go, he is too nice and that may be why the kids are out of control and why he is getting re-UPed so many times during portal negotiations.

I don't know what happens during practices and I don't know if they are scouting opponents prior to games but it looks like the players are not prepared and that's on coaching too.
I agree with everything you wrote MC but don’t forget Red has the “orange standard”. It reminds me of Dino’s “belief without evidence”.
 
I like Mick Cronin and he feels realistic. Dude is tough, a gamer, and outspoken. A modern day JB character and he is plug and play. No learning on the job. He is obviously not thrilled with all the B1G travel and thinks it is impacting competitiveness. Maybe an east coast team with less travel sounds appealing in 2 years when his contract is winding down. Thought he was a dweeb in comparison to the big east legends but he has been very steady in the last 10 years
Not a fan. He went 16-17 last year at UCLA and won't be much better this season. He had success at Cincinnati but his teams were brutal to watch. A great recruiter that strives to win playing defense as taught to him by Bob Huggins and Rick Pitino. He has no offensive philosophy and never has.
 
There are teams out there playing as a cohesive unit, the kids execute what the coach demands and hustle. We are not unique. If we lack NIL funds to get good talent, than more NIL will not solve the issue either because all you end up with are divas with better talent if the coach isn't able to develop culture and schemes and get them to play together for the team. Either Red is not able to read people during recruiting or portal honey moon period to know who is not a good fit or he is not able to mold and coach them to play together. It's one or the other.

Actually if we follow your train of thought we should not bother with NIL as all we end up with are prima donnas that do not want to play hard. Further with the product and results those who previously contributed NIL probably are backing away from donating more since it seems Red is unable to maximize the committed NIL.

Look I like Red, I had hope he would be able to right the ship, but as others have stated time and time again, what I am seeing on the floor is not exclusively a lack of time to turn it around, or a lack of NIL to get good talent. It is a lack of scheme, lack of motivation, lack of team, lack of discipline, lack of an offensive or defensive system and a lot of that, in my opinion, is coaching.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it's an easy job, and I do recognize it's a much harder job now than say ten years ago. The coaches do have less leverage when you have kids who are being paid by sponsors and this payment is completely disconnected from the performance on the court. The kids are now receiving checks in six figures or more, at 19 years old they think they do not need to listen to the coaches, and the transfer portal give them more power to bail at the end of the season if they are not happy, all true, but every school is experiencing this and it takes a different kind of coach to survive and excel in this totally different landscape, it doesn't seem Red is made for this.

As far as leverage, the coach still have plenty. He could bench the players, as other coaches do. If all of Red's players are not listening and you can't bench them all than that's on Red too. Even though NIL is not paid by the school, it is still using Red as the middle man and he decides who gets what. So a player who misbehaves know that they may not get paid next year, may be everyone just plans to transfer in one year for this reason.

To me I think Red has failed to develop a system, offensive and defensive and this is what the main issue is. Secondly Red is too nice a person, he is nice to the players and they took advantage. We all cringed when JB used to talk down on a player during pressers but sometimes you do need to lit a fire under someone like "he had the same rebound as a dead man", that's leverage too, you send a message to a player for lack of effort and it gets noticed by his peers and media and shaming sometimes work, not to mention it may cause others to reconsider poaching this kid. When Jason Hart wants to back out of his NLI JB wouldn't let him. I bet Red would have let him go, he is too nice and that may be why the kids are out of control and why he is getting re-UPed so many times during portal negotiations.

I don't know what happens during practices and I don't know if they are scouting opponents prior to games but it looks like the players are not prepared and that's on coaching too.
Your concepts about molding players to schemes..and discipline...blah ..blah ...blah is an old school concept that doesn't play in this new environment. Coaches have virtually no leverage to get players to comply today, playing time or lack there of isn't the treat that it used to be because players can just leave...
We are all unhappy with this year's team's record, but the Coach hasn't had enough time to establish any kind of program yet.
 
Your concepts about molding players to schemes..and discipline...blah ..blah ...blah is an old school concept that doesn't play in this new environment. Coaches have virtually no leverage to get players to comply today, playing time or lack there of isn't the treat that it used to be because players can just leave...
We are all unhappy with this year's team's record, but the Coach hasn't had enough time to establish any kind of program yet.
Oh for cryin' out loud. Do you watch any other college basketball? Very very few other teams, even bad ones, are putting a product on the floor that we are seeing every single game. It's amazing that Red alone is struggling with everything you keep claiming, with literally zero evidence to back up what you repeatedly state.
 
Not sure why you continue to excuse everything. Somehow, the teams we play against don't have this same problem. Why is it that their "reality is something different?"
We have a talent disparity with the teams that we play. We need better players. It is that simple. That is not an excuse for anything and it isn't an indictment of how good or bad our coach is. Look at or football team.....we sucked, we changed Coaches...and what did he do...he got us BETTER PLAYERS..aka Kyle MCCORD...and what do you know...we win 10 games! Talented players win games and I don't know why all the people who are calling for the coaches head, don't recognize we have a talent problem! Before you say it, I will preemept you: The coach is responsible for the talent, yes, that is true, but it is a little more complex then just saying the coach is bad. Coaches need resources to recruit better. Money is the driving force for all that we are seeing in College athletics right now..how can a school get more money to recruit and pay better players...
 
Oh for cryin' out loud. Do you watch any other college basketball? Very very few other teams, even bad ones, are putting a product on the floor that we are seeing every single game. It's amazing that Red alone is struggling with everything you keep claiming, with literally zero evidence to back up what you repeatedly state.
Red isn't the only coach struggling. Look at the college coaches that are leaving , have left, or are voicing their dissatisfaction with the current system. The problems with SU Hoops is multifactorial and poor coaching is not the biggest problem we face. Give the guy a chance. He has brought in some nice talent for next year and has a chance to add some more. After next year, which will be year 3 for Red, we all will have a better idea about where the program is going and what kind of leader he is.
 
We have a talent disparity with the teams that we play. We need better players. It is that simple. That is not an excuse for anything and it isn't an indictment of how good or bad our coach is. Look at or football team...we sucked, we changed Coaches...and what did he do...he got us BETTER PLAYERS..aka Kyle MCCORD...and what do you know...we win 10 games! Talented players win games and I don't know why all the people who are calling for the coaches head, don't recognize we have a talent problem! Before you say it, I will preemept you: The coach is responsible for the talent, yes, that is true, but it is a little more complex then just saying the coach is bad. Coaches need resources to recruit better. Money is the driving force for all that we are seeing in College athletics right now..how can a school get more money to recruit and pay better players...
With better coaching we have enough talent to win. Maybe not to be a top 10 team, but certainly better than the product we’re seeing
 
He has no offensive philosophy and never has.
Reality doesn't back this up. His UC teams always crashed the offensive glass and his best ones generally didn't turn the ball over. His 2021-23 UCLA teams got back to that but he's had trouble adjusting to the new environment, despite UCLA having as deep of pockets as anyone.

I agree that it's not the most fun type of offense to watch and as I said before I can't really get on board with anyone who turns down threes like Cronin does, but to say he's never had an offensive philosophy is not factual.
 

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We have a talent disparity with the teams that we play. We need better players. It is that simple. That is not an excuse for anything and it isn't an indictment of how good or bad our coach is. Look at or football team...we sucked, we changed Coaches...and what did he do...he got us BETTER PLAYERS..aka Kyle MCCORD...and what do you know...we win 10 games! Talented players win games and I don't know why all the people who are calling for the coaches head, don't recognize we have a talent problem! Before you say it, I will preemept you: The coach is responsible for the talent, yes, that is true, but it is a little more complex then just saying the coach is bad. Coaches need resources to recruit better. Money is the driving force for all that we are seeing in College athletics right now..how can a school get more money to recruit and pay better players...
1) No one here—no one—is saying we don't have a talent problem. But, that problem is relative to who we should be, not necessarily or in every case relative to who we play against.

2) We do not have a talent disparity—in general—with the teams we play. With some, sure. The point most of us have been trying to get you to understand/recognize is that we played (to borrow from a post) LeMoyne and Youngstown State to a virtually even result. We do not have a talent disparity to those teams. We do not have lesser talent that many of the teams we have lost to this season.

3) What you continue to not admit, not recognize, not acknowledge is the actual gameplay on the floor. You keep talking about ambiguous, unquantifiable characteristics like "talent disparity," when the reason why we are losing and are not competitive against equal talent is because the players we have:
• have no offensive scheme or gameplay to execute
• can't or don't consistently play defense at the same level of our opponents
• can't or don't execute basic basketball fundamentals
• aren't given roles or minutes that make much sense

Many do relate Fran/football to our situation, i don't. Sure, the general concept is transferable: get someone dynamic to coach, who brings in talent. > Win. Sure. And, yeah, that's what we need next year. The thing Fran did, though, was to have assistant coaches that seem to have been successful at implementing plans. We didn't have massive failures at fundamentals (throughout the season, consistently). That's not the case with the basketball team.

We have no one on the bench that anyone can say has been doing a good job. We have no one on the bench that can be pointed to as being excellent in their specific line of work. And with basketball, the Head Coach is more directly responsible for the execution in the game than in football. The head football coach is more of an administrator of specialty coaches. In basketball, the HC has (should have) even more control. We have failure at every level in basketball.
 
Your concepts about molding players to schemes..and discipline...blah ..blah ...blah is an old school concept that doesn't play in this new environment. Coaches have virtually no leverage to get players to comply today, playing time or lack there of isn't the treat that it used to be because players can just leave...
We are all unhappy with this year's team's record, but the Coach hasn't had enough time to establish any kind of program yet.
The best teams get their kids to play hard. The coaches still definitely have the upper hand still. You either teach it that way Or u allow it and coach is allowing it. If ur not playing hard defense then u should sit period. If it donny or Jj. If u don’t set expectations in any sport u will never get your team to play hard. Kids need hard lessons. Fact of life and if Red how’s them that then I’m good with another year or two but if he doesn’t then Houston we have a problem. Now on a good note team played tough defense in second half so it seems there is hope.
 
Your concepts about molding players to schemes..and discipline...blah ..blah ...blah is an old school concept that doesn't play in this new environment. Coaches have virtually no leverage to get players to comply today, playing time or lack there of isn't the treat that it used to be because players can just leave...
We are all unhappy with this year's team's record, but the Coach hasn't had enough time to establish any kind of program yet.
In one post you blame talent disparity, that we don't have enough talent on the floor, and that's all NIL, or lack thereof.

Yet here you are saying coaches have no leverage to get players to play or give maximum effort because players can leave...and there isn't time to establish any kind of program yet.

So if I understand you correctly, doubling or tripling our NIL will get better talents and hence more wins?

or that won't do it because you may still end up with great talents that doesn't want to listen to the coaches and give maximum effort? Who is out there scouting the recruits and the portal to determine who fits and who doesn't and whether they are worth the NILs they are asking?

and how much time is needed to "establish his system"? This new world is a one year reset every year. End of season rinse and repeat. There is no player continuity anymore, so what is there to establish in year 3 that's different? In this landscape a coach needs to make hard choices based on the NIL budget and get the team to gel and compete and it's a one year window. There is nothing to establish.

If I were to believe 100% of your argument, you are saying it's all talent and player decision to give effort, the coach has no leverage and make little difference, in that case I would just fire Red and hire a student to be HC and waive his full tuiton, and take Red's salary and add that 2+ millions to the NIL and get better talents, problem solved.
 

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