only those who have spent time with Doug allowed

[SUFan44]

This is just personal opinion and I have no way of knowing if this is true or not - I don't think anyone really knows the full story.

But I can't imagine it was just one thing that led to Marrone's change. I would agree with many here that he was a breath of fresh air to the program when he took it over, and seemed "different" in a good way.

But I think when you are in a position such as that, there are expectations. Both expectations of you and expectations that you have of others. I'm pretty sure there were a number of things - facilities, recruiting, etc. - that didn't go as smoothly as he had anticipated, and the upgrading of those areas also didn't come without many hurdles to overcome.

At the end of the day, Marrone did a good job at Syracuse and was on his way to doing a very good to great job. But he left for one of the top 32 jobs in his profession. Can't blame him for it.

That's where the story shifts for me. Millhouse linked to a thread from the year Marrone left SU to go to Buffalo. There were telling comments about Marrone submarining the transition by taking assistants with him, including Hackett who was about to sign on at Syracuse for much more money. Would Shafer have kept all of them? There's no way of knowing. But people that know a lot more than me about matters were pissed about it, and I would venture a guess to say things weren't done the way they should have been done, ethically speaking.

Then you fastforward to this year and him more or less duplicating his antics in Buffalo.

It's water under the bridge at this point, but people do change. Some for the better and some for the worse.

 

[NJCuse97]

I have not met Doug, but know some of his extended family. My parents grew up in the Bronx and his cousin is close friends with my mother since childhood. Her kids were my age and they would go to all the Jets games with him when he coached there. Very nice family. Who knows? If he ends up at the Jets, maybe I do meet him. I have met Boeheim and most of the basketball coaching staff from the mid '90's. The best time was in '97 when I went with everyone to Grimaldi's after the alumni game. Met a bunch of the older guys and they were all great.

 

[Rocco]

I got the chance to spend time with Marrone on several occasions (since he left as well). Do we send Christmas cards to each other? No, weren't not "buddies", but all of our interactions were positive and it baffles me when I read the ridiculous diatribe on this board towards him. It has honestly caused me to slow down from posting because it just gets so incredibly obnoxious to read.

I remain very close to the Marrone camp today and it's hilarious how many on here just take internet rumors as facts. 90% of the negative stuff out there is amazingly false. Further, DM is loyal to his school and truly does regret how his departure from Cuse went down. Such is life...

As a person IMO, Marrone is highly critical of himself and he clearly suffers from insecurity issues as kcsu alluded to. Many people say he is an egotistical jerk, but that image may or may not stem from the way he handles himself around people he doesn't know/trust. He 100% did not act like that when I was around him. He is more of a goofy, fun-loving dude. Someone you would meet for a beer and shoot the shitt.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of him, but few here actually know the guy. He chose a career that puts him in the spotlight, so he has to take the sharp criticisms that come with it. On a personal note however, I find it hard-to-read that some people can make such garbage character claims about the guy as they do on here without ever knowing the guy behind the scenes. It's funny and makes me shake my head.

At the end of the day, we should still thank Marrone for coming back to Cuse and trying to re-steer our horribly lost ship. He made great strides and left too soon, no doubt; I was hoping he'd finish his career out at Syracuse. However, you can't blame a guy for taking the highest promotion in his profession and a huge financial leap. He has solidified his family's financial future forever and any sound family man on here would've done the exact same thing (I hope at least). Could his "dream job" have ended more smoothly? Without question, but do understand that he has to do everything his agent tells him to do from a legal perspective. That's something people don't quite grasp.

He still truly bleeds Orange and I know that for a fact.

 

[Finwad32]

Having to follow Rocco, I wont make this long, because, I don't have nearly the same insight.

Met a couple times. Was always a good dude to me. Thought highly of him. Still a big fan of his.

Have heard things on both sides of the fence about him from people that were close, such is life. Some like ya, some don't.

 

[Upstate]

I met him my Junior year of college, when he threw out the first pitch for a Scranton Yankees game. I was one of the few people who walked right up to him and asked him about Syracuse. He gladly signed my hat, I got my picture taken with him, it was in the P-S, and I remember thinking a few things: 1. Holy is he tall. 2. He opened up to me about recruiting, especially Charlie Loeb, and 3. He seemed to really want to talk about SU, but he had to go and throw out the pitch. It was awesome, I appreciate someone who was that happy to talk to a fan -- you could tell he was really excited to be back with SU.

 

[NJCuse97]

Met Pasqualoni too. He was a bit stiff. Nice guy, but not the most engaging. His heart was in the right place and I can say from some pretty reliable second hand stories that he really cared about anyone willing to play in his program.

 

[Scooch]

People do realize that meeting someone a time or two is ENTIRELY different than working with someone day-in, day-out, right?

Like, we ALL know someone who's a decent enough person in general, but is a raging jerk at work?

That's impossible to be the case here?

 

[Shenexon]

People do realize that meeting someone a time or two is ENTIRELY different than working with someone day-in, day-out, right?

Like, we ALL know someone who's a decent enough person in general, but is a raging jerk at work?

That's impossible to be the case here?

He can be both, but that doesn't make him ineffective either. From my experience, some of the most productive people are real pains in the rump to work with. I can't say I like that phenomenon but I've had a lot of people work for me and handed a lot of work to arrogant, rude, self-centered people that were also superb producers.

 

[Rocco]

People do realize that meeting someone a time or two is ENTIRELY different than working with someone day-in, day-out, right?

Like, we ALL know someone who's a decent enough person in general, but is a raging jerk at work?

That's impossible to be the case here?

Not one bit at all... no one on here has worked with Marrone though, so can they truly say he is a jerk at work? Several on here have been around him in social settings and most have positive things to say about him. Just saying...

 

[SUFan44]

Not one bit at all... no one on here has worked with Marrone though, so can they truly say he is a jerk at work? Several on here have been around him in social settings and most have positive things to say about him. Just saying...

Well when a number who HAVE worked for him and with him come out and say he's a jerk at work...

 

[Scooch]

I met OJ Simpson once. On the sideline of a Bills game when he was working for NBC.

Really great guy.

 

[Chip]

I met OJ Simpson once. On the sideline of a Bills game when he was working for NBC.

Really great guy.

Agree. I never believed for one second that Nordberg was capable of those things people said about him.

 

[Rocco]

Well when a number who HAVE worked for him and with him come out and say he's a jerk at work...

Tohmato Tahmato. You also have many who have worked with him who remain extremely close with him. And he's very well-respected amongst many other coaches in the NFL... always two sides of the story.

 

[chakka3421]

I got the chance to spend time with Marrone on several occasions (since he left as well). Do we send Christmas cards to each other? No, weren't not "buddies", but all of our interactions were positive and it baffles me when I read the ridiculous diatribe on this board towards him. It has honestly caused me to slow down from posting because it just gets so incredibly obnoxious to read.

I remain very close to the Marrone camp today and it's hilarious how many on here just take internet rumors as facts. 90% of the negative stuff out there is amazingly false. Further, DM is loyal to his school and truly does regret how his departure from Cuse went down. Such is life...

As a person IMO, Marrone is highly critical of himself and he clearly suffers from insecurity issues as kcsu alluded to. Many people say he is an egotistical jerk, but that image may or may not stem from the way he handles himself around people he doesn't know/trust. He 100% did not act like that when I was around him. He is more of a goofy, fun-loving dude. Someone you would meet for a beer and shoot the shitt.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of him, but few here actually know the guy. He chose a career that puts him in the spotlight, so he has to take the sharp criticisms that come with it. On a personal note however, I find it hard-to-read that some people can make such garbage character claims about the guy as they do on here without ever knowing the guy behind the scenes. It's funny and makes me shake my head.

At the end of the day, we should still thank Marrone for coming back to Cuse and trying to re-steer our horribly lost ship. He made great strides and left too soon, no doubt; I was hoping he'd finish his career out at Syracuse. However, you can't blame a guy for taking the highest promotion in his profession and a huge financial leap. He has solidified his family's financial future forever and any sound family man on here would've done the exact same thing (I hope at least). Could his "dream job" have ended more smoothly? Without question, but do understand that he has to do everything his agent tells him to do from a legal perspective. That's something people don't quite grasp.

He still truly bleeds Orange and I know that for a fact.

Great post! I will chime in and support Rocco here. Doug is simply his own worst enemy...simple as that. He needs a personal public speaking coach to help in his delivery and public image.

Regarding working for Doug, did any of you know that Doug uses an extensive review process for each one of his coaches complete with goals, expectations and outcome requirements that was communicated on a regular basis? Everyone knew where they stood with Doug and that's why many of them followed him to the Bills.

Please explain that to me Bees and others who are making fun of Doug's relationships.

Does anyone know if HCSS uses the same review process or will we see more mid season adjustments that are "complete surprises" to the demoted coach?

Regarding surprises, why did Casullo come to work for Doug AGAIN if he knew what he was like and what his requirements for the job were? And did anyone know that Casullo was warned many times for his sideline behavior before the last straw literally "forced" Doug's hand? AND supported by ALL on the coaching staff to get rid of Casullo?

Does anyone know that Doug was threatened by higher ups (won't name names but quite a few people besides Gross) about his job after the 3rd year setting in motion for what happened after year 4?

More than Nuff said.

 

[chugg21]

i can't not tell this story even though it's been told a million times here

i met bob huggins at woody's (a. it's not what you think, chip and b. it's closed anyway) in rochester on a wednesday night circa 2000. he was red and bloated with a viscous sheen. i told him what a big fan of dermarr johnson i was (fan of johnson, yeah yeah) and he summoned the verbal skills to bark out "tequila" when I asked him what shot he wanted. so Bob, myself, and some husky swinger looking blonde hag who was holding him up presumably until they got back to the motel 6 did shots.

big enough sample

Man I miss going to that place!

 

[xc84]

People do realize that meeting someone a time or two is ENTIRELY different than working with someone day-in, day-out, right?

Like, we ALL know someone who's a decent enough person in general, but is a raging jerk at work?

That's impossible to be the case here?

I don't know of anyone who is a good guy in general but a raging jerk at work.
I do find that sometimes people who complain about the "jerk" boss are slackers who don't like to get called out on their poor performance. Human nature.

 

[rrlbees]

Tohmato Tahmato. You also have many who have worked with him who remain extremely close with him. And he's very well-respected amongst many other coaches in the NFL... always two sides of the story.

Too many Tahmato's.

 

[rrlbees]

Great post! I will chime in and support Rocco here. Doug is simply his own worst enemy...simple as that. He needs a personal public speaking coach to help in his delivery and public image. Regarding working for Doug, did any of you know that Doug uses an extensive review process for each one of his coaches complete with goals, expectations and outcome requirements that was communicated on a regular basis? Everyone knew where they stood with Doug and that's why many of them followed him to the Bills. Please explain that to me Bees and others who are making fun of Doug's relationships. Does anyone know if HCSS uses the same review process or will we see more mid season adjustments that are "complete surprises" to the demoted coach? Regarding surprises, why did Casullo come to work for Doug AGAIN if he knew what he was like and what his requirements for the job were? And did anyone know that Casullo was warned many times for his sideline behavior before the last straw literally "forced" Doug's hand? AND supported by ALL on the coaching staff to get rid of Casullo? Does anyone know that Doug was threatened by higher ups (won't name names but quite a few people besides Gross) about his job after the 3rd year setting in motion for what happened after year 4? More than Nuff said.

Who said assts didn't like him? I'll explain it to you. They were his hires. Of course they are indebted to him. It's a lot of other people he had to deal with that weren't his hand picked choices. As to Casullo, he didn't work for Marrone before. They worked together. Marrone wasn't a boss.

As to your point about Casullos firing. It didn't really go down how you're describing.

 

[Rocco]

Too many Tahmato's.

According to who?

 

[CanadianSU]

My boss is nice to hang around with, we had a good fishing trip.

He is an utter dick in the office. And that's a good thing.

 

[rrlbees]

According to who?

I'll repeat.

Marrone vs Casullo
Marrone vs Buffalo front office
Marrone vs Buffalo media
Marrone vs Buffalo web site
Marrone vs out of town media
Marrone vs Syracuse media
Marrone vs some SU donors
Marrone vs some HS coaches
Marrone vs some SU AD personnel
Marrone vs some SU non-AD personnel
Marrone vs some ex-players

What's the common denominator? It can't be everyone else. He has strained relationships with too many people from different factions. I'm sure he's treated many people just fine.

 

[Finwad32]

i can't not tell this story even though it's been told a million times here

i met bob huggins at woody's (a. it's not what you think, chip and b. it's closed anyway) in rochester on a wednesday night circa 2000. he was red and bloated with a viscous sheen. i told him what a big fan of dermarr johnson i was (fan of johnson, yeah yeah) and he summoned the verbal skills to bark out "tequila" when I asked him what shot he wanted. so Bob, myself, and some husky swinger looking blonde hag who was holding him up presumably until they got back to the motel 6 did shots.

big enough sample

Woody's is closed? I didn't realize that. Spent many a night wandering Monroe, East and Alexander. Good times, goooood times.

 

[Bayside44]

Great post! I will chime in and support Rocco here. Doug is simply his own worst enemy...simple as that. He needs a personal public speaking coach to help in his delivery and public image.

Regarding working for Doug, did any of you know that Doug uses an extensive review process for each one of his coaches complete with goals, expectations and outcome requirements that was communicated on a regular basis? Everyone knew where they stood with Doug and that's why many of them followed him to the Bills.

Please explain that to me Bees and others who are making fun of Doug's relationships.

Does anyone know if HCSS uses the same review process or will we see more mid season adjustments that are "complete surprises" to the demoted coach?

Regarding surprises, why did Casullo come to work for Doug AGAIN if he knew what he was like and what his requirements for the job were? And did anyone know that Casullo was warned many times for his sideline behavior before the last straw literally "forced" Doug's hand? AND supported by ALL on the coaching staff to get rid of Casullo?

Does anyone know that Doug was threatened by higher ups (won't name names but quite a few people besides Gross) about his job after the 3rd year setting in motion for what happened after year 4?

More than Nuff said.

On your last paragraph - is that implied that if he had a losing season in year 4 (which would've been 3 sub-500 seasons in 4) that his job was in jeopardy? Don't see the issue there.

 

[dasher]

Great post! I will chime in and support Rocco here. Doug is simply his own worst enemy...simple as that. He needs a personal public speaking coach to help in his delivery and public image.

Regarding working for Doug, did any of you know that Doug uses an extensive review process for each one of his coaches complete with goals, expectations and outcome requirements that was communicated on a regular basis? Everyone knew where they stood with Doug and that's why many of them followed him to the Bills.

Please explain that to me Bees and others who are making fun of Doug's relationships.

Does anyone know if HCSS uses the same review process or will we see more mid season adjustments that are "complete surprises" to the demoted coach?

Regarding surprises, why did Casullo come to work for Doug AGAIN if he knew what he was like and what his requirements for the job were? And did anyone know that Casullo was warned many times for his sideline behavior before the last straw literally "forced" Doug's hand? AND supported by ALL on the coaching staff to get rid of Casullo?

Does anyone know that Doug was threatened by higher ups (won't name names but quite a few people besides Gross) about his job after the 3rd year setting in motion for what happened after year 4?

More than Nuff said.

How do you know it was supported by every coach? You don't.

 

[xc84]

I'll repeat.

Marrone vs Casullo
Marrone vs Buffalo front office
Marrone vs Buffalo media
Marrone vs Buffalo web site
Marrone vs out of town media
Marrone vs Syracuse media
Marrone vs some SU donors
Marrone vs some HS coaches
Marrone vs some SU AD personnel
Marrone vs some SU non-AD personnel
Marrone vs some ex-players

What's the common denominator? It can't be everyone else. He has strained relationships with too many people from different factions. I'm sure he's treated many people just fine.

Casullo worked with Marrone prior to SU but took the job offered by Marrone
Loose Cannon Casullo fired by Marrone for good reason.
Marrone liked by other assistants
Marrone has no patience for the media and gives them nothing. They respond by not liking him.
Rob Long
Marrone praised by many coaches, pundits (Cowherd, Boomer) and more importantly, many former players
Marrone seems to have a lot of positive fan interaction (at least based on these threads)
Marrone helps push stuck cars in Buffalo snowstorm
What's the common denominator?