OT: 2014 U.S. News & World Report rankings (ACC)

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National Universities

Duke - 7
*Notre Dame - 18
Virginia - 22
Wake - 23
Carolina - 30
BC - 31
Miami - 47
Syracuse - 62
Clemson - 62
Pitt - 62
*Maryland - 62
Va Tech - 69
FSU - 91
NC State - 101
*Louisville - 161

 

[Alsacs]

Ugh, Chancellor Cantor's replacement needs to get us back to where were when I graduated and that is not long ago. When I graduated we were 51. Disgusting how Syracuse has gone from the high 40s to the low 60s in such a short time. Thank you Chancellor Cantor for killing our academics and not keeping us in the AAU.

 

[Full_Rebar]

SU is listed as the top choice for B students...so we have that going for us.

 

[Scooch]

Ugh, Chancellor Cantor's replacement needs to get us back to where were when I graduated and that is not long ago. When I graduated we were 51. Disgusting how Syracuse has gone from the high 40s to the low 60s in such a short time. Thank you Chancellor Cantor for killing our academics and not keeping us in the AAU.

Yeah, I know these rankings don't mean much, but it annoys the hell out of me to see our academic standing take such a slide. SU was in the low 40s when I enrolled 20 years ago. No excuse to be down 20 spots from then.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Below UConn now...not good.

 

[MikeSU02]

Yeah, I know these rankings don't mean much, but it annoys the hell out of me to see our academic standing take such a slide. SU was in the low 40s when I enrolled 20 years ago. No excuse to be down 20 spots from then.

When I applied, we were tied with BC for 39 I believe. When I enrolled, I think we were 40 or 41.

 

[OrangePA]

Is this why Chancellor Cantor is gone?

 

[SU2NASA]

Glad to see we've been in a freefall since I graduated.

We were top 50... this is unacceptable for a university with the cache of SU.

 

[Jeepers]

A lot of the sports-y private schools have moved way up since I was college shopping. BC, USC, Miami, were all pretty low in the 90s.

We didn't seem to capitalize on the 2003 championship.

 

[Millhouse]

does anyone know where to find historical data? curious how schools have moved up and down

 

[SU2NASA]

A lot of the sports-y private schools have moved way up since I was college shopping. BC, USC, Miami, were all pretty low in the 90s.

We didn't seem to capitalize on the 2003 championship.

That's what happens when you have a chancellor like Cantor who's more interested in diversity and her own pet projects than the overall standing of the university. The university has become less selective and rather than focusing on its strengths, has been on wild goose chases like the connective corridor.

 

[Alsacs]

Is this why Chancellor Cantor is gone?

IMO, it is part of the reason her contract wasn't renewed by the BOT. She did good for SU but her academic decisions hurt the university and have caused our overall profile to go down. I graduated from Newhouse and with a co-major in University College which was really a Maxwell courseload but because Maxwell is only a graduate school the undergraduate department doesn't get the cache of Maxwell even though I got my degree signed by Dean Rubin from Newhouse and the Dean from Maxwell. The university need to make Maxwell an undergraduate school as well and it will get our ranking up a little. Whitman, Newhouse, Maxwell should be the foundations our of university and our ranking will go up.

 

[Alsacs]

That's what happens when you have a chancellor like Cantor who's more interested in diversity and her own pet projects than the overall standing of the university. The university has become less selective and rather than focusing on its strengths, has been on wild goose chases like the connective corridor.

I was being nice but this is exactly part of what she did which hurt our university.

 

[NKR1978]

That's what happens when you have a chancellor like Cantor who's more interested in diversity and her own pet projects than the overall standing of the university. The university has become less selective and rather than focusing on its strengths, has been on wild goose chases like the connective corridor.

I'm not sure I understand the consternation regarding the connective corridor but otherwise I agree. I strongly believe that diversity for the sake of diversity is a good thing; but when you're charging people $200,000+ for a piece of paper, you have a duty to ensure that the value of their education and their degree is worth that obscene amount of money. And at this point, given the free fall in the rankings, it isn't.

At this point, except for the reputation of Newhouse and Maxwell, what does a Syracuse education offer that other schools don't?

Still, while UConn, WPI, RPI, Northeastern, UC Irvine, and UC Santa Barbara are great schools, none of them have the national reach or reputation of Syracuse.

 

[jekelish]

I don't put too much stock into this. It's all based on whether a school participates, for starters. My college doesn't participate, for example, so we've gone down over the last few years. Not a coincidence.

 

[AZOrange]

That's what happens when you have a chancellor like Cantor who's more interested in diversity and her own pet projects than the overall standing of the university. The university has become less selective and rather than focusing on its strengths, has been on wild goose chases like the connective corridor.

Look no one is perfect but diversity is a huge part of ranking success...

As for the pet projects, the university had fallen WAY behind the status quo on capital projects. I've got no problems there. Need state of the art facilities etc.


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[Scooch]

A lot of the sports-y private schools have moved way up since I was college shopping. BC, USC, Miami, were all pretty low in the 90s.

We didn't seem to capitalize on the 2003 championship.

I don't recall any of those schools ever being that low. When I was applying to schools (way back in 1991) both BC and Miami were definitely top 50, if not higher.

 

[Millhouse]

Is this why Chancellor Cantor is gone?

she presided over a big drop in the rankings and spent way too much money to do it

she spends too much money, fills the extra seats with kids that aren't smart enough (which causes the rankings to go down) and spends the proceeds on administration and stupid projects

they're taking the easy way out to become more diverse

 

[Alsacs]

Look no one is perfect but diversity is a huge part of ranking success...

As for the pet projects, the university had fallen WAY behind the status quo on capital projects. I've got no problems there. Need state of the art facilities etc.


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Dude please I am not going to get into a social diversity debate but that has nothing to do with academic rankings. I want the best academic students going to Syracuse as possible I could care less if they are White, Black, Asian, Latino, Native American whatever and that doesn't factor into the rating as much as SAT/ACT scores, GPAs, AP classes. Syracuse needs to get the best students possible to increase our ACADEMIC rating.

 

[SU2NASA]

Look no one is perfect but diversity is a huge part of ranking success...

As for the pet projects, the university had fallen WAY behind the status quo on capital projects. I've got no problems there. Need state of the art facilities etc.


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Bringing in students with lower test scores and GPAs lower rankings. That's a fact. What is more important, saying that you have an even number of each race, or that your average SAT score is 100 points higher?

Buzz spent millions on putting brick in the sidewalks around campus. Nancy spent millions on projects that were completely unrelated to the facilities the university needed to upgrade. She overspent and the return on the investment wasn't there.

 

[Full_Rebar]

she spends too much money, fills the extra seats with kids that aren't smart enough (which causes the rankings to go down) and spends the proceeds on administration and stupid projects

Nailed it.

Diversity and opportunity is great. Accepting record numbers of students each year to make up for your spending is not.

Too bad that DG has followed her lead and wasted money on useless admins instead of getting the facilities upgrades done right after Marrone was hired.

 

[AZOrange]

Dude please I am not going to get into a social diversity debate but that has nothing to do with academic rankings. I want the best academic students going to Syracuse as possible I could care less if they are White, Black, Asian, Latino, Native American whatever and that doesn't factor into the rating as much as SAT/ACT scores, GPAs, AP classes. Syracuse needs to get the best students possible to increase our ACADEMIC rating.

It has everything to do with the debate. SU made a very widely debated decision a few years ago to increase diversity. The trade off was a higher admission rate which would lead to a lower us news ranking. This didn't just happen. Again we are 5-10 spots from such places as Fordham, Texas, GW. It's not the end of the world.


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[Jeepers]

I don't recall any of those schools ever being that low. When I was applying to schools (way back in 1991) both BC and Miami were definitely top 50, if not higher.

Pretty sure all those schools were slightly below SU, but could be wrong. May also have been a different ranking system. USC was definitely very low. All the California schools have jumped quite a bit.

 

[SaltineWar]

What a team! Cantor did for academics what Gross did to football.

 

[Millhouse]

It has everything to do with the debate. SU made a very widely debated decision a few years ago to increase diversity. The trade off was a higher admission rate which would lead to a lower us news ranking. This didn't just happen. Again we are 5-10 spots from such places as Fordham, Texas, GW. It's not the end of the world.


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you just said that diversity is a huge part of ranking success and now you're saying that we chose it even though we knew it would lower the ranking