OT: For Out of Towners Hofmann's Going Big Time

[tipphill]

You must be one of those hicks from way out who pronounce it incorrectly.

tipperary hill 3 blocks from from the green over the red if you consider that way out

 

[xc84]

Well if you go outside of Upstate NY/Michigan/Ohio the word "coney" has no meaning to 95% of the country's population, and that includes people in NYC. If you bought a Coney Island hot dog, handed it to someone from Michigan and said, "here's your coney," he would look at you like you're nuts. That's not a coney to him, that's a hot dog, just like it is to every other person in the country. "Coney" has a very specific meaning to that person and it goes way beyond just the color of the dog to include very specific toppings. Likewise, coney has a specific meaning to Upstate New Yorkers that includes the color and type of meats.

The Upstate NY coney is similar to the dogs on coney island because they're just that: plain, simple dogs. A CNY coney doesn't need to be slathered in chili to be called a coney, it just is... but the colors different. A Michigan/Ohio coney requires it to be covered in a bunch of very specific toppings (none of which you'd see on Coney Island)... but the color of the actual dog is the same. You see how you're just picking the one similar element and deciding that's the most important thing?

The fact is, the only thing that matters is that they're all meats in an enclosed casing, served in a bun. They all belong to the hot dog "family," and, as such, owe a debt to the original American hot dog stand on Coney Island. The fact that a few random dogs in the USA decide to pay tribute to those humble origins by incorporating it into the name is kind of cool if you ask me, especially since there's nothing special about this mythical Coney Island hot dog that doesn't even really exist! I swear, you'd think we were comparing a strip steak to a head of lettuce here!

I won't continue to argue this. I know people from other areas who would not call our coney a "hot dog". They insist it is a "sausage". It's not just color...in fact it has little to do with color...it's taste. But if you find that the shape identifies a "coney", have at it.

 

[tipphill]

I've been eating Heid's hot dogs and coneys since the 1960s. Used to be a regular part of game day when I was a kid to stop at Heid's with my Dad after Bill Orange beat the victim of the day up on the Hill. It's been more than 30 years since I've lived in the Syracuse area but I still will make a point of getting off the Thruway if I'm driving through the area at midday to have lunch at Heid's.

So when I was a kid the coneys were called "cooneys" by most of the kids and adults in my part of town. It was commonly understood where I lived that this was a racial epithet. For that reason, once I gained a little maturity I stopped calling them "cooneys." My experience may well NOT be the same that others here encountered. The last thing I am doing is calling anyone here a racist. But I'd be lying if I denied that at least in some parts of Onondaga County in the 1960s the term "cooney" had a racist connotation.

maybe, but not in my part of town, as one poster said the opposite was true the closer you are to the city it's cooney's farther out its coney and race had nothing to do with it

 

[jcuse44]

Born in syracuse lived in liverpool my whole life...always called them cooneys. Heids used to call them cooneys..some idiot on that man vs food episode called it a coney but he was 18 years old and was a moron. Its a cooney..end of discussion.

 

[xc84]

tipperary hill 3 blocks from from the green over the red if you consider that way out

Yes...that is the boondocks (is that term racist too?...oh...nevermind)...far from the epicenter of Syracuse. By the time the word "coney" made it out to you by covered wagon, they pronounced it "cooney".

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Yep. Michigan, where I've also lived, does enjoy their coneys. Unlike Hofmann's white snappies, the Michigan coneys are red hot dogs. (At least in the part of Michigan I lived in)

Isn't a Michigan dog, one that is topped with onions and meat sauce. At least that is what my friends in Plattsburgh have shown me.

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[OrangeChris]

Isn't a Michigan dog, one that is topped with onions and meat sauce. At least that is what my friends in Plattsburgh have shown me.

Yes. Without those specific toppings they would just call it a hot dog.

 

[tipphill]

Absolutely. The point wasn't the color of the sausage. The point was to insult African-Americans. I don't know if the genesis of the pronunciation "cooney" pre-dates the "race riot" that took place in Syracuse in the aftermath of the murder of Martin Luther King in 1967 or not. In my memory 1966-67-68 all more or less blur together. That certain locals used the term "cooney" rather than "coney" as a -- "clever" -- way to insult a racial minority, there is no doubt about it in my mind.[/quot
wow

 

[All4SU]

I'm actually fairly young and I'm well aware of the racial implications of the term, so much so that I didn't even think it needed to be brought up in this thread! I was apparently wrong, but for once that's a good thing. It's great to see that that particular slur fade into obscurity, although I remain mildly shocked that anyone over the age of 25 would be ignorant of it.

I'm aware of the racial slang term. I just don't see how it ever ended up being associated with a hot dog.

 

[All4SU]

That's an interesting theory. Where do you suppose they would read the word, though? If memory serves, the word "coney" isn't printed on the packaging, so I suppose the printed word would be limited to Herald Journal/Post Standard articles on the product?

As well as the places where it is ordered.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

I'm aware of the racial slang term. I just don't see how it ever ended up being associated with a hot dog.

I think that whole racial slur thing is really pushing it. How would that even relate to a little white hot dog. Please.

 

[xc84]

Yes. Without those specific toppings they would just call it a hot dog.

Bingo. What they sell as coneys in those places and what they sell as hot dogs in Coney Island...everyone recognizes them all as hot dogs (which were first made famous in Coney Island). Makes sense to me because they are all based on the same thing. Now, go to all those places with two things... a Hofmann's coney and a Hofmann's frank and ask people to taste it and then point to the hot dog. I'd be willing to bet most would say the frank is the hot dog and not sure what the other thing is (or maybe they would call it a brat). There's the crux of why it is odd that our CNY coney is called a "Coney".

 

[Cadillac]

All my uncles who grew up on Tipp Hill and have an accent like Bill Lang say cooney. So does the neighborhood's best canasta player, 70 years running. Love you grandma.

I don't really care. I say white hot, but I am about 90 miles outside of downtown Syracuse.

Also the kabasi thing, holy crap. My dad says this, I've always thought he was nuts. I remember getting flustered about it as a little kid.

 

[All4SU]

Well, the fact that people mispronounce it, or have odd explanations for why they mispronounce it will never change the fact that it is a "Coney." That's what it is.

 

[DomeStranger]

I once went to Bob Barker's hot dog place (somewhere between the circles) and ordered two Coney's. The old gal behind the register said,"You mean 2 Cooney's"? I asked if that was how it was pronounced. Another lady behind the counter snarled and yelled it's a Cooney! Then Bob came over and reassured me to order the Cooney's (with a smile). People in line were snickering at me that I pronounced it wrong. Others just shook their heads and figured I was from out of town and would end up putting ketchup on them.

I really enjoyed my Cooney's that day and vowed to never shame myself again by calling them anything else.

 

[All4SU]

I used to frequent Bob's Barkers at GM circle, and I've often bought from him on the street. Great guy. But Bob -- and his employee -- are wrong.

 

[tipphill]

All my uncles who grew up on Tipp Hill and have an accent like Bill Lang say cooney. So does the neighborhood's best canasta player, 70 years running. Love you grandma.

I don't really care. I say white hot, but I am about 90 miles outside of downtown Syracuse.

Also the kabasi thing, holy crap. My dad says this, I've always thought he was nuts. I remember getting flustered about it as a little kid.

i am from tipphill

 

[tipphill]

I used to frequent Bob's Barkers at GM circle, and I've often bought from him on the street. Great guy. But Bob -- and his employee -- are wrong.

sorry,you are wrong--coooooooooooooooooneys-- w/o racial implication------

 

[tipphill]

now,lets talk about rolls. i prefer the cape cod type--sliced at the top rather than the side, holds all the fixens better. first the mustard and then the onions(and other stuff if you like,relish etc)then the hot dog or coney or cooney.

 

[Toga]

But let's just remember the main takeaway here - The Walmart in Halfmoon carries the white hot snappy grillers cooneys coneys.

 

[xc84]

But let's just remember the main takeaway here - The Walmart in Halfmoon carries the white hot snappy grillers cooneys coneys.

Damn straight.

 

[raf4488]

You know it's the offseason when the most popular thread is about the correct pronunciation of the name of a type of hot dog.

 

[OrangeHeel]

i'll take boars head over hoffmans, but i like hoffmans as a second choice. i pronounce cooney always was and always will be.

With family roots on the Nord Side of the City (where the "t" does not exist), it's a cooney.


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[sutomcat]

With family roots on the Nord Side of the City (where the "t" does not exist), it's a cooney.


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Eastwood is cooney country.

 

[maxxyz]

Hey folks, can we drop this and move on to an important topic?

Like is it soda or pop?
Is it a sub, a hero, or a wedge?

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