OT: Kyle Orton retires

[Alsacs]

I think the most overrated QB is Drew Brees. He has played all his home games in SD or a Dome. Yet some want to put him in the league with Brady/Peyton/Rodgers. Give me Eli over Brees.

 

[007]

Honestly they should have let EJ play all year. QB's need to take their lumps. Not every QB is Andrew Luck coming out of college. You need to live with the growing pains. Miami did it. Cleveland will probably do it next year with Manziel. Washington is doing it with RGIII when he is healthy. Oakland did it with Carr. Minny with Bridgewater. Even the Jets threw Geno out there to let him take his lumps to see what he has to see if he is the guy. You can't find out if you have "the guy" at QB if you keep him on the bench. Gotta go through a year or so with the mistakes. Otherwise you shouldn't have drafted him.

There is an opposite and a prevailing school of thought that says, unless you have a Luck, you let him learn and develop as a backup for a year or 2 and not destroy his confidence by throwing him into the fire. Whether EJ is worth that investment remains to be seen. But, I am certain that Marrone already knew that he was not nearly ready enough when he plugged in Orton.

 

[CousCuse]

Nassib to the Bills...

Der Kaiser said he would take a 3rd round pick. So lets parlay.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Alright, Alright... I'll meet you halfway. Ken Stabler and Phil Simms.

i like both, if they made the HOF i wouldnt complain and with Phil this hurts to say, but...Eli is better.

im with alsacs on brees too, he plays 9 games a year inside and 1 more in Florida...but his #s are awefully high. same with luck fwiw...9 & 1.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think the most overrated QB is Drew Brees. He has played all his home games in SD or a Dome. Yet some want to put him in the league with Brady/Peyton/Rodgers. Give me Eli over Brees.

PFF had Brees the #3 QB this year behind Rodgers and Brady. He actually played better on the road this year than in the Dome. I think he's played with some of the worst defenses in the history of the league, and gets into trouble when he forces things.

Peyton to me always seemed overrated. He's had some great statistics, but also laid some of the biggest eggs in big games, and his performance in bad weather has never been great.

 

[Alsacs]

Luck is a great QB and is obviously the first or second pick if you could start a franchise with any player but he needs to reduce his turnovers. Luck is the real deal though but once his rookie deal expires and Indy has to pay him their cap space is going to be gone.
One thing teams without franchise QBs have is cap space typically because teams without rookie contract QBs have to devote 18 million+ plus of their cap on their QB. Luck is going to be the highest paid.

Brees cap number is killing NO unlike Rodgers/Brady/Peyton's.

 

[Alsacs]

PFF had Brees the #3 QB this year behind Rodgers and Brady. He actually played better on the road this year than in the Dome. I think he's played with some of the worst defenses in the history of the league, and gets into trouble when he forces things.

Peyton to me always seemed overrated. He's had some great statistics, but also laid some of the biggest eggs in big games, and his performance in bad weather has never been great.

NO has talent its on the HC and QB in today's NFL. Cameron Jordan, Junior Galette, Jarius Byrd, Kenny Vacario is a real solid defense.
Brady/Peyton/Rodgers don't lose 5 home games. That is on Brees their offense didn't exactly do well in those losses.

 

[Cusefan0307]

NO has talent its on the HC and QB in today's NFL. Cameron Jordan, Junior Galette, Jarius Byrd, Kenny Vacario is a real solid defense.
Brady/Peyton/Rodgers don't lose 5 home games. That is on Brees their offense didn't exactly do well in those losses.

Don't disagree with anything you said. The talent was there, they shouldn't of been ranked 31st.

 

[Stern]

There is an opposite and a prevailing school of thought that says, unless you have a Luck, you let him learn and develop as a backup for a year or 2 and not destroy his confidence by throwing him into the fire.

That was the thought in the 80's, in this day of age if you draft a kid you almost always play him from day 1. Yes there are exceptions but almost always in his rookie year he starts day 1 or takes over at some point in year 1 and just holds onto the job.

No coach or GM has a year or 2 to wait to see if the kid can play QB. Those days are over, its win now or get fired. The day of the 3 and 5 year plan for building a team are long gone. Can't wait on a QB for a couple years.

 

[BuffOrange]

Watkins won the Lions and Vikings games , besides blowing up every other secondary.

Obviously I don't know how badly, but just from watching him, I think he pretty much played hurt almost all year.

These things plus the thing about not getting a QB 19th can all be true and Sammy can be awesome for 10yrs and the trade can still be horrible. Not thinking Beckham was even a comparable talent is a scouting failure, period.

 

[Cusefan0307]

He's made of fine China, but the Bills might be able to get Sam Bradford really cheap from St. Louis. It would be a no risk, all reward deal for Buffalo. His statistics were more than respectable when he last played, but then again St. Louis has just as big a mess at QB because of Bradford's inability to stay on the field.

 

[007]

That was the thought in the 80's, in this day of age if you draft a kid you almost always play him from day 1. Yes there are exceptions but almost always in his rookie year he starts day 1 or takes over at some point in year 1 and just holds onto the job.

No coach or GM has a year or 2 to wait to see if the kid can play QB. Those days are over, its win now or get fired. The day of the 3 and 5 year plan for building a team are long gone. Can't wait on a QB for a couple years.

Good points Stern. I agree with most of that.