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OT: US News and World Report 2025

We're 73, We're 73. The days of being 44 are long over. Does the Board of Trustees care about this rating or is it irrelevant? To see schools like UMass and Michigan State rated higher is preposterous to me but I guess things are always changing.


Acknowledging all the necessary caveats about how dumb and easily gameable these rankings can be, it is worth noting that private schools outside the ivys and near-ivys have as a group taken a hit in these lists over the years. This is not a Syracuse-specific problem. So many state schools, and I'm not talking about the public ivys that have competed with the very best privates for a very long time, have shot up the rankings over the past twenty or so years because of the huge rise in college expenses attracting more and more high achieving middle class kids to their lower costs vis-a-vis second and third tier privates. Second and third tier U of California campus have moved into the top fifty over the past couple of decades precisely because there are so many good in-state students who can't get into Berkeley or UCLA but also don't want to pay to go to a second tier private out of state. In other states, the flagships have risen up the ranks because in-state students are opting for a public education rather than going to Syracuse or GWU or Boston U. and paying double for what they increasingly see as a comparable education. See the rise of Rutgers, UMD, Penn State, and Delaware.

This is not an easily resolvable problem. The donors need to focus on setting up scholarship funds and less on expensive sports like football (sorry guys). The impending Cold war with China also doesn't help the financial model of a lot of private schools in the Northeast that relied on Chinese students paying full fare. International students made up upwards of a third of Boston U.'s undergrad population until Covid hit.

Some big schools with long histories are going to go under unless major changes to their business models are made. The upshot is that the survivors will get healthier by picking the meat off their bones.
 
BC in many ways did what Northeastern did.

When I graduated from Boston Latin school in Boston, Northeastern was the safety school for most kids there. All you needed was a C average and you got in.

Now, Northeastern is regarded as ON PAR with BC and BU and in some ways is more selective.
I wonder if NU is gaming the acceptance criteria through their deferred admission program. For those not familiar, a large portion of their freshman class is "deferred" admission until the spring semester of freshman year. They attend a program abroad through affiliated schools. After the fall semester, they matriculate to NU and their credits transfer fully. The small print says automatic acceptance isn't guaranteed. But, everyone knows it is and they openly discuss it as such with prospective students.
 
BC in many ways did what Northeastern did.

When I graduated from Boston Latin school in Boston, Northeastern was the safety school for most kids there. All you needed was a C average and you got in.

Now, Northeastern is regarded as ON PAR with BC and BU and in some ways is more selective.
what year did you graduate from Boston Latin?
 
Acknowledging all the necessary caveats about how dumb and easily gameable these rankings can be, it is worth noting that private schools outside the ivys and near-ivys have as a group taken a hit in these lists over the years. This is not a Syracuse-specific problem. So many state schools, and I'm not talking about the public ivys that have competed with the very best privates for a very long time, have shot up the rankings over the past twenty or so years because of the huge rise in college expenses attracting more and more high achieving middle class kids to their lower costs vis-a-vis second and third tier privates.
Um, USC (Southern Cal) has also shot up, and schools like Carnegie Mellon (where I also went) have declined.
Occam's Razor. SU has declined because... it declined.
A combination of academics, prestige, ability to get jobs, and "was it worth it."
Coupled with alumni feedback.
 
BC in many ways did what Northeastern did.

When I graduated from Boston Latin school in Boston, Northeastern was the safety school for most kids there. All you needed was a C average and you got in.

Now, Northeastern is regarded as ON PAR with BC and BU and in some ways is more selective.
This is a great example.
I've seen NU come on - friends of mine (plus my best man and my father-in-law) are some of the most successful people I know.
The "quarters" (trimester?) system plus mandated internship was (is?) brilliant.
 
Acknowledging all the necessary caveats about how dumb and easily gameable these rankings can be, it is worth noting that private schools outside the ivys and near-ivys have as a group taken a hit in these lists over the years. This is not a Syracuse-specific problem. So many state schools, and I'm not talking about the public ivys that have competed with the very best privates for a very long time, have shot up the rankings over the past twenty or so years because of the huge rise in college expenses attracting more and more high achieving middle class kids to their lower costs vis-a-vis second and third tier privates. Second and third tier U of California campus have moved into the top fifty over the past couple of decades precisely because there are so many good in-state students who can't get into Berkeley or UCLA but also don't want to pay to go to a second tier private out of state. In other states, the flagships have risen up the ranks because in-state students are opting for a public education rather than going to Syracuse or GWU or Boston U. and paying double for what they increasingly see as a comparable education. See the rise of Rutgers, UMD, Penn State, and Delaware.

This is not an easily resolvable problem. The donors need to focus on setting up scholarship funds and less on expensive sports like football (sorry guys). The impending Cold war with China also doesn't help the financial model of a lot of private schools in the Northeast that relied on Chinese students paying full fare. International students made up upwards of a third of Boston U.'s undergrad population until Covid hit.

Some big schools with long histories are going to go under unless major changes to their business models are made. The upshot is that the survivors will get healthier by picking the meat off their bones.
I agree about long term effects of higher tuition but something has changed in the short run that's more specific to the criteria chosen

Rankings aside, I just find it gross how expensive Syracuse is. I want to recommend it, I would love for my kids to go if that's what they wanted. But it is just not worth it
 

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