PAY THAT MAN HIS MONEY!!!!

[Acesn8s]

Fran has done more in 17 games then we could have ever imagined a coach could, only problem with that is it is and will get even more expensive, he will need a new contract by end of the year, and that will also mean paying assistants a lot more as well, does Syracuse have the stomach for that? Only time will tell.

 

[PhatOrange]

Nixon will likely be gone after this year. Just do not see a world where he does not take a HC job after his two seasons here.

Could be wrong tho.

I'm curious why and who would offer him a HC job? I could see him leaving for pro OC job or bigger college OC job but a HC job somewhere based on what?

 

[JRHEETER]

Fran has done more in 17 games then we could have ever imagined a coach could, only problem with that is it is and will get even more expensive, he will need a new contract by end of the year, and that will also mean paying assistants a lot more as well, does Syracuse have the stomach for that? Only time will tell.

The answer is yes. The value in the $$$$$$$ from football means everything. Wildhack knows he has to spend money to make money.

Who is to say that we have not already been working on this behind the scenes?

 

[JRHEETER]

I'm curious why and who would offer him a HC job? I could see him leaving for pro OC job or bigger college OC job but a HC job somewhere based on what?

He will either take an NFL OC job or a HC job at D1 school.

Remember, Fran Brown had never even been a coordinator and we hired him

 

[PhatOrange]

Like he was right with Calvin Russell. Oh wait...

Wrong about Angeli to but who cares. Look, it's easy to guess someone will bounce for a bag in this business because they all do.

Even if fans (attendance/NIL) did their part and the Admin did their part (staff/$$/facilites etc), he could still leave as will assistants. People making themselves crazy about this stuff is so stupid.

 

[PhatOrange]

He will either take an NFL OC job or a HC job at D1 school.

Remember, Fran Brown had never even been a coordinator and we hired him

Yeah people have to get their first HC job somewhere and it's usually places like Temple. Syracuse took an abnormal chance. Nixon would likely be in line for bottom of the barrel jobs like Stan Drayton and Sean Lewis.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Wrong about Angeli to but who cares. Look, it's easy to guess someone will bounce for a bag in this business because they all do.

Even if fans (attendance/NIL) did their part and the Admin did their part (staff/$$/facilites etc), he could still leave as will assistants. People making themselves crazy about this stuff is so stupid.

Agreed, who knows but anyone hanging their hat on what Fran said in his opening presser when he was hired, that seems a bit crazy. I think many coaches who take this job may believe they can turn it around, and get the money coming in that it will take to be competitive at a high level but I am not so sure that is 100% accurate or even attainable. I know there has been some frustration already for Fran as there was for Marrone after a couple years. We shall see

 

[orangeinohio]

Yeah people have to get their first HC job somewhere and it's usually places like Temple. Syracuse took an abnormal chance. Nixon would likely be in line for bottom of the barrel jobs like Stan Drayton and Sean Lewis.

NFL OC seems a lot more appealing than NCAA HC.

 

[bballbeadle]

Environment over Pay

Fran wants to see SU embrace big time football.

Sell out games, go to the pre game walk, stay until the whistle

Should get the weekly downtown pep rally/fan party going again.

Boeheim also felt he got plenty of money. He was not greedy. But in some ways that was harmful to the program because we got used to success with not that much expenditure.

Fran also doesn’t seem to care that much about money. I think he cares about being a mentor, coaching kids, being a positive to the community, embracing values of connection and - yes, I’ll say it - love. In terms of ego, I think he would very much like being the face of Syracuse football and becoming a legend.

You can’t do all those things hopping from one program to the next in pursuit of the bigger contract, IMO. Yes, he needs to be paid more. But I believe he would like to stay. I hope I’m right.

 

[SanDiegoCuse]

Agreed, who knows but anyone hanging their hat on what Fran said in his opening presser when he was hired, that seems a bit crazy. I think many coaches who take this job may believe they can turn it around, and get the money coming in that it will take to be competitive at a high level but I am not so sure that is 100% accurate or even attainable. I know there has been some frustration already for Fran as there was for Marrone after a couple years. We shall see.

Any insight into what the frustration stems from?

 

[bnoro]

I didn’t see or read his message, but I would assume the spirit of one of his messages essentially was:

“Teams with deeper pockets, better program infrastructure, and better recruiting territory/ pipelines are probably going to throw lots and lots of money at Fran. He likes it at Cuse, but he is only human.

Syracuse will never be able to compete with the outrageous NIL pools of the big boys, and there is no contract buyout big enough to deter them from going after Fran if they deem he is their guy.

There is no such thing as locking him up. If Fran continues on his current trajectory, this will be a yearly problem for us (and a yearly option for Fran).

So enjoy him while he’s here (which hopefully is a long time).”

He's also extremely ambitious (which of course he is). And I do think his ambitions can be realized here.

I hope he's here a long, long time. But what is said in public, and what is said in private, isn't always the same.

 

[UnknownOrange]

some of you have been in some bad relationships before

you have a girlfriend who you love, and she leaves your ass for the new england patriots... who could blame her

don't worry your next girlfriend is great to you for a while before you dump her ass for a hot shot out of texas

biggest mistake of your life.. you idiot. Thankfully you wised up and dumped her too. And look! Here comes a blast from the past who always dreamed of the chance to date you

sometimes we outgrow our dreams and she leaves you and takes her friend, but don't worry you can have the friend she didn't want

then she made one too many political comments about isis so you had to leave her because this hot chick in a super fast car shows up

then that car suddenly forgets how to go fast and next thing you know you have a tight end playing QB and RB

finally... we have found our dream relationship ... but we're scared to death this one is gonna leave us too... don't let the fear of the unknown ruin a great thing

 

[GoSU96]

The easier path to the playoffs is ACC or Big 12. In the SEC and Big10 there are realistically just the same handful of teams in each that will survive a season.

 

[NKR1978]

I'm curious why and who would offer him a HC job? I could see him leaving for pro OC job or bigger college OC job but a HC job somewhere based on what?

Maybe we would offer him the HC job if Fran actually does leave.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Maybe we would offer him the HC job if Fran actually does leave.

logical progression for sure

 

[DomeHolmes]

Whatever happens, if Fran gets an offer he can't refuse that doesn't make him a bad person. Very few, if any, of us have ever had to turn down the kind of offers Fran is expected to see. I wont blame him if he can't. But I believe him when he says he'll be here a while.

I wonder how big an offer he can’t refuse would be? $8,,000,000 a year guaranteed for eight years? Making him a top 25 paid coach.

The only problem with that is eight years guaranteed for Syracuse probably means at least seven years coaching. Eight years for Texas A&M or Florida etc could be two years coaching. So he would get paid, but would not have a head coaching job if things went poorly.

We are pretty close to a sure thing for him.

 

[NKR1978]

I wonder how big an offer he can’t refuse would be? $8,,000,000 a year guaranteed for eight years? Making him a top 25 paid coach.

The only problem with that is eight years guaranteed for Syracuse probably means at least seven years coaching. Eight years for Texas A&M or Florida etc could be two years coaching. So he would get paid, but would not have a head coaching job if things went poorly.

We are pretty close to a sure thing for him.

The real money in those deals is the buyout. $60m to sit home. You'd think those deals will be fewer and further between, but these AD's can't seem to help themselves.

 

[SU94]

USA Today throwing the clickbait title out already...

Syracuse's Fran Brown will be hottest SEC coaching target in next hiring cycle

After an impressive start to his Syracuse football rebuild, Fran Brown will be biggest name in 2026 college football hiring cycle.

www.usatoday.com

Also, not surprised, but the number of Florida fans on socials saying he WILL be their next coach is a little unsettling but Napier will be owed like $25 mill if he's canned after this year, so not sure the Gators are ready to absorb that...

National media spotlight on Fran Brown's success an unwelcome distraction

When you have USA Today national college football writer Matt Hayes coming out with his proclamation that Brown will be coaching in the SEC in 2026, as he did

www.si.com

UF will fire Napier in 2-3 weeks, likely after TAMU (Oct. 12).
UF will eventually interview Jon Gruden.
UF will ultimate;y offer the job to Lane Kiffin and he is likely to take it.
I'd place the odds of the UF hire: Kiffin 80%, Gruden 10%, Eli Drink 6%, Other 3%, Fran 1%.

The Gators job is not a job that Fran should aspire for.
You have to win there, of course, but you need to do so while scoring 40+ points per game.
This is a fan base that is used to Spurrier and Urban and pines for those days of aestheticly-pleasing dominance. They'd legitimately rather lose 42-39 than win 17-14.

Fran doesn't need that muck. It doesn't fit his brand.

 

[DomeHolmes]

Fran has done more in 17 games then we could have ever imagined a coach could, only problem with that is it is and will get even more expensive, he will need a new contract by end of the year, and that will also mean paying assistants a lot more as well, does Syracuse have the stomach for that? Only time will tell.

The problem for us is that with our stadium being so small, even if retaining him meant selling out every game, that probably adds only about an extra $3-4 million or so of additional revenue. So that’s about all we could squeeze out of paying him $3 million more (which probably puts us in a competitive place).

But I’m sure Wildhack understands keeping Syracuse in a high national profile is worth a lot more to the university that just the bottom line of the football program. The difficulty of getting accepted in to Clemson skyrocketed with their football success with all the new applicants. as a school that could benefit from that too, that is an immeasurable value. I would hope the chancellor and Board of trustees feel the same way.

Also the value of Syracuse power four status in the future hinges on continued success. Look at how people perceive Wake Forest now compared with five years ago.

We are also one of the few 30 or so programs that actually makes money on their athletic department to begin with, so even if you can’t justify it with ticket sales, you could just justify it with the fact that we have money other people don’t. A school like Rutgers gets 20 million more on their TV contract but still loses 80- 100 million a year. So who has more money?

But you hit it on the head. Do we have the stomach for it?

 

[Chip]

This thread makes me miss the Dino to USC days.

 

[DomeHolmes]

The real money in those deals is the buyout. $60m to sit home. You'd think those deals will be fewer and further between, but these AD's can't seem to help themselves.

Absolutely true. But part of the point of my post is that I don’t perceive Fran as a guy who would rather sit home and get paid vs doing what he loves. Most coaches, Fran included, usually understand that failing at an SEC team means your next stop is a G5 position. No one is knocking on Jimbo Fisher‘s door, and Dan Mullen coaches UNLV.

 

[JRHEETER]

The problem for us is that with our stadium being so small, even if retaining him meant selling out every game, that probably adds only about an extra $3-4 million or so of additional revenue. So that’s about all we could squeeze out of paying him $3 million more (which probably puts us in a competitive place).

But I’m sure Wildhack understands keeping Syracuse in a high national profile is worth a lot more to the university that just the bottom line of the football program. The difficulty of getting accepted in to Clemson skyrocketed with their football success with all the new applicants. as a school that could benefit from that too, that is an immeasurable value. I would hope the chancellor and Board of trustees feel the same way.

Also the value of Syracuse power four status in the future hinges on continued success. Look at how people perceive Wake Forest now compared with five years ago.

We are also one of the few 30 or so programs that actually makes money on their athletic department to begin with, so even if you can’t justify it with ticket sales, you could just justify it with the fact that we have money other people don’t. A school like Rutgers gets 20 million more on their TV contract but still loses 80- 100 million a year. So who has more money?

But you hit it on the head. Do we have the stomach for it?

If we start selling out the stadium consistently for the next few years, you bet Cuse will find a way to increase capacity etc

 

[NKR1978]

Absolutely true. But part of the point of my post is that I don’t perceive Fran as a guy who would rather sit home and get paid vs doing what he loves. Most coaches, Fran included, usually understand that failing at an SEC team means your next stop is a G5 position. No one is knocking on Jimbo Fisher‘s door, and Dan Mullen coaches UNLV.

When Fran says all he has is his word, I believe. His sincerity is part of his success and I truly believe him. But I don't know if I could turn down $8m with $40m guaranteed.

 

[Cuseregular]

I enjoyed this but to be fair Fran wants to build from within also and lean on portal less than he has been.
And ppl need to stop throwing dirt on Dabo.

All dabo needs to do is hire a Fran type coach, younger relatable etc to the young kids they’re all recruiting, like Fran did for Kirby, start to embrace the portal too, question is can you teach the old dog new tricks to do it.

 

[qdawgg]

Yep and two things can be true at the same time:

1. Doug is kind of a dick in general
2. He isn’t a dick for taking an NFL head coaching job considering the two complete jackasses he worked for, and the complete lack of support he received after being promised a lot more. Dream job turned out to be far short of that

In fairness, many of the coaches are D’s. How many times have kids said, how they were recruited and what they got when they arrived on campus were very different things. Not just in football. I think at least w/Doug, there wasn’t a lot of smoke and mirrors. You got what you got, he was a straight shooter. Probably not a personality I would have loved being around but I respect he stuck to who he was and wanted things done a certain way, otherwise known as his way.