penn state up to 11 four star commits for 2015

[Townie72]

Its 2014... and this is still what's happening as of this morning

http://m.therepublic.com/view/story/0d222772a4c34176b0af8ba24d7e83fb/US--Penn-State-Abuse-Paterno

Yep. Sandusky in prison. Spanier fired. Paterno dead.

But lets do what we can to keep the connection between PSU and P e d o p h I l I aalive because its good for our football recruiting.

Classy!

 

[Townie72]

A. I'm going out on a limb here and guess he was trying to be funny.
B. Who associated with SU basketball is in jail for pedophilia?

Let me be clear. I wasn't trying to be funny.

I never said any SU coach was in prison for pedophilia. But there is the Bernie Fine situation to consider.

I find envy over their recruiting and reflexively associating PSU 2014 with the Sandusky scandal to be DISGUSTING and low rent.

 

[javadoc]

Sandusky is gone ... in prison. University administrators were punished. What else are you looking for to expunge the stain or is PSU guilty forever?

They absolutely should have received the death penalty. Their program should have been reduced to irrelevance for at least a generation. Then I would talk.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Yep. Sandusky in prison. Spanier fired. Paterno dead.

But lets do what we can to keep the connection between PSU and P e d o p h I l I aalive because its good for our football recruiting.

Classy!

Its got nothing to do with our recruiting. These arent players that were heading to Syracuse regardless and as stated prior are the level of recruits that penn state has always got.

That was re your earlier post that its 2014 and this is all done and dusted. I live in PA and this was on the radio this AM. Sandusky in jail... proclaiming his innocence, and the Paterno family still fighting for the reputation of St Joe. Sorry that offends whatever soft spot you have for that regime but you can cut the classy comment and simply admit your initial "its 2014" post was wrong. Thanks for assuming you knew my intentions there but you're way off the mark.

 

[anomander]

PSU has always recruited at a different level.

Not sure why a SU fan would ever get worked up about that.

Fishing in MUCH different waters, doesn't really have an impact.

While PSU has always recruited at a higher level then Syracuse, they have never recruited at the level they are right now.

Like to see Urban Meyer getting what he wished for. He wanted the rest of the B10 to pick up the pace recruiting and to basically get on tOSU's level. Well they just got beat head to head for 2 of the top players on their board. Throw that in with them "only" having 2 commits at this time, and you can understand why Buckeye fans are complaining.

As for PSU i knew Franklin would kill it at PSU, but not national recruiting title recruiting. Pretty amazing considering they are still on probation, which includes a post season ban.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Its got nothing to do with our recruiting. These arent players that were heading to Syracuse regardless and as stated prior are the level of recruits that penn state has always got.

That was re your earlier post that its 2014 and this is all done and dusted. I live in PA and this was on the radio this AM. Sandusky in jail... proclaiming his innocence, and the Paterno family still fighting for the reputation of St Joe. Sorry that offends whatever soft spot you have for that regime but you can cut the classy comment and simply admit your initial "its 2014" post was wrong. Thanks for assuming you knew my intentions there but you're way off the mark.

Exactly. My comments have nothing to do with Syracuse or Syracuse recruiting.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I find... associating PSU 2014 with the Sandusky scandal to be DISGUSTING and low rent.

You know what's worse than being disgusting and low rent like you described?

 

[rrlbees]

Yep. Sandusky in prison. Spanier fired. Paterno dead. But lets do what we can to keep the connection between PSU and P e d o p h I l I aalive because its good for our football recruiting. Classy!

The connection that should be kept alive is the culture and P e d o p h I l I aand a system coverup. That culture still exists.

They should have gotten at least a 5 year total ban if not the death penalty. And before you say these recruits or current players had nothing to do with it, they would have survived.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The connection that should be kept alive is the culture and P e d o p h I l I aand a system coverup. That culture still exists.

That's pretty well stated.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

That's crazy. Penn State never got highly-touted football recruits until Franklin arrived.

Exactly, good lord. A Penn St coach recruiting well in Pennsylvania. I am just shocked

 

[dasher]

Please, save this approach for the less bright.

What's Bernie dong these days? Why did he leave the program? Arrested? No, Disgraced? Yes.

Stop trying to argue technicalities.

I am some person alright. I'm not "associating" James Franklin and PSU 2014 with Jerry Sandusky. That's you!

I'm not splitting hairs on who is a pedophile. That's you!

Wrong. I have never said a word about Franklin. Not one. I have never called penn state ped st. I have also never called someone who has never been arrested yet alone convicted the same as jerry sandusky. That's you.

 

[xc84]

Wrong. I have never said a word about Franklin. Not one. I have never called penn state ped st. I have also never called someone who has never been arrested yet alone convicted the same as jerry sandusky. That's you.

I agree. Bringing up Sandusky to smear PSU or Fine to smear SU is equally classless. I would also agree that the cases are in different leagues so to speak in terms of what has been proven as criminal activity. In addition, time will tell how much PSU has learned from this but I think that smearing them is not the way to go about helping our recruiting efforts.

 

[TheCusian]

I agree. Bringing up Sandusky to smear PSU or Fine to smear SU is equally classless. I would also agree that the cases are in different leagues so to speak in terms of what has been proven as criminal activity. In addition, time will tell how much PSU has learned from this but I think that smearing them is not the way to go about helping our recruiting efforts.

I don't think anyone is smearing anyone. It's a fact that Sandusky did it and the culture at Penn State contributed to it. The players in the story have changed - but the culture that enabled it remains. That's why it's easy for the base, town, university to look past a guy who is involved with allowing sexual misdeeds at his previous school in favor of good recruiting class.

If I had a D1 caliber son, I'd be very wary of sending him into that culture. That's the bar.

 

[jvbj01]

Exactly, good lord. A Penn St coach recruiting well in Pennsylvania. I am just shocked

They are right behind Alabama in rankings for 2015 as of now. I know it is early, but is would say that is quite impressive. I was simply stating that Franklin is doing a very good job at getting these kids to verbal and stay home.

 

[storange]

How do people compare the Sandusky legacy of 60 known counts of abuse over multiple years to the Bernie Fine situation ( Im not saying Fine is completely innocent ) Throw in a amassive administrative cover up and there is almost no comparison.

 

[Townie72]

The "Culture"?

The "Culture" hasn't changed?

Really?

I'll bet PSU right now is probably the least likely place in the US to have a situation like the Sandusky one occur again. They are probably over-sensitive, if anything. They have seen up close what happens.

How would one know the "culture" hasn't changed or has changed?

Tell us more about what the culture is now. And how you know.

I guess it sounds good as an accusation. It can't be disproved. It can't even be understood.

But its OK to throw around as an unsubstantiated and vague charge.

 

[Townie72]

I don't think anyone is smearing anyone. It's a fact that Sandusky did it and the culture at Penn State contributed to it. The players in the story have changed - but the culture that enabled it remains. That's why it's easy for the base, town, university to look past a guy who is involved with allowing s e x ual misdeeds at his previous school in favor of good recruiting class.

If I had a D1 caliber son, I'd be very wary of sending him into that culture. That's the bar.

The "Culture" did it?

Wrong.

What did it was individuals who did not want to see the likely consequences and impact of this on the PSU football program. They recognized that this was going to tarnish the image of St. Joe and damage a huge contributor the the University, the football program.

But this was not dozens of people. Only a few knew and where in a position to do anything about it.

Dreaming up this idea of a sick culture and then claiming it hasn't changed enough is nonsense.

What I hear is actually a cry on here that the University hasn't been punished enough. How dare they recover so quickly?

The complaint really is "We need more people punished and it should be for a longer time".

 

[Townie72]

They absolutely should have received the death penalty. Their program should have been reduced to irrelevance for at least a generation. Then I would talk.

Well that's not what happened.

So, in your opinion, are 2015 PSU recruits guilty of endorsing P e d o p h I l I aor not?

How might we go about stamping out vestiges of bad "culture"?

How about "Re-education camps"?

 

[Townie72]

When you play word association with "Penn St." it doesn't take much before pedophile or P e d o p h I l I acomes up, does it?

Thus, if a person is associated with Penn St. they are associated with pedophilia.

Fact.

I'll agree that in the minds of many (or some) PSU football is "tainted" by the Sandusky scandal and the associated cover up.

But what that has to do with 2015 recruits is a very tenuous logical path.

 

[jvbj01]

The connection that should be kept alive is the culture and P e d o p h I l I aand a system coverup. That culture still exists.

They should have gotten at least a 5 year total ban if not the death penalty. And before you say these recruits or current players had nothing to do with it, they would have survived.

I want to know more about this culture. I am in no way a Penn State fan or sympathizer. I actually enjoy seeing them lose. I just want you to explain how this culture has not changed and how you personally know. Were you in the community before to experience this culture? If so, have you been back to get the vibe that the culture is still the same? The players in this terrible time are dead, in jail or being prosecuted. That being the case, how would you want the culture to be changed? Your response will probably be the death penalty, but face it, that didn't happen.

Blaming recruits that have grown up Penn State fans for choosing Penn State is also ridiculous.

 

[NKR1978]

I want to know more about this culture. I am in no way a Penn State fan or sympathizer. I actually enjoy seeing them lose. I just want you to explain how this culture has not changed and how you personally know. Were you in the community before to experience this culture? If so, have you been back to get the vibe that the culture is still the same? The players in this terrible time are dead, in jail or being prosecuted. That being the case, how would you want the culture to be changed? Your response will probably be the death penalty, but face it, that didn't happen.

Blaming recruits that have grown up Penn State fans for choosing Penn State is also ridiculous.

1. New statue of Paterno.
2. Countless fans walking around Meadowlands with "409 Forever" t-shirts.
3. Their fan base that actually thinks that they are victims.
4. The hiring of Barron (partly or largely responsible for the Winston cover up at FSU) and Franklin with his sick past at Vanderbilt helping to cover up a gang rape and tampering with the victim.
5. Franko Harris and others like him on a jihad to clear Paterno.

 

[Townie72]

1. New statue of Paterno.
2. Countless fans walking around Meadowlands with "409 Forever" t-shirts.
3. Their fan base that actually thinks that they are victims.
4. The hiring of Barron (partly or largely responsible for the Winston cover up at FSU) and Franklin with his sick past at Vanderbilt helping to cover up a gang rape and tampering with the victim.
5. Franko Harris and others like him on a jihad to clear Paterno.

To summarize, they haven't suffered enough and are not repentant enough to suit your tastes.

I guess some feel that the forty years he was there in which he built a successful and admired program count for something.

I wonder if PSU and Paterno hadn't been such paragons, if the National shock would have been less.

 

[TheCusian]

The "Culture" did it?

Wrong.

What did it was individuals who did not want to see the likely consequences and impact of this on the PSU football program. They recognized that this was going to tarnish the image of St. Joe and damage a huge contributor the the University, the football program.

But this was not dozens of people. Only a few knew and where in a position to do anything about it.

Dreaming up this idea of a sick culture and then claiming it hasn't changed enough is nonsense.

What I hear is actually a cry on here that the University hasn't been punished enough. How dare they recover so quickly?

The complaint really is "We need more people punished and it should be for a longer time".

You're arguing that the over-the-top rabid support of the team by it's fans in no way supported the decisions made by those few? They made those decisions in a vacuum? Or just to save their own hides? The perpetrator was Sandusky. The people who covered it up were next. The culture is complicate in the the desire to cover things up. The fans didn't knowingly contribute to the cover up - but the culture was apart of the equation.

Hiring a guy with ties to a gang rape point to lack of awareness at best.

And yes - many feel that the only way to break the culture was to dish out a harsher penalty. In rolling back some of the penalties, the NCAA only served to feed the notion that it's all good now.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

And yes - many feel that the only way to break the culture was to dish out a harsher penalty. In rolling back some of the penalties, the NCAA only served to feed the notion that it's all good now.

That roll back was absurd.

 

[NKR1978]

To summarize, they haven't suffered enough and are not repentant enough to suit your tastes.

Exactly. They aren't repentant at all. They don't believe their culture contributed at all to the cover up.

I guess some feel that the forty years he was there in which he built a successful and admired program count for something.

Many feel that the "Penn State Way" was always BS. Paterno was a great PR guy. He got the national media to buy into his nonsense. Living in an incestuous bubble that is State College made it easier. It all feeds into his god complex. Paterno was a horrible human being and it is sad that he got to die before he saw his reputation truly tarnished.

I wonder if PSU and Paterno hadn't been such paragons, if the National shock would have been less.

I doubt it. Dozens of children victimized. Rumors and accusations going back at least to 1996 with PSU doing literally nothing about it. They continued to let Sandusky bring children to the football facilities until 2009 or 2010. No, this would have been shocking if it happened at Washington State or any other school that has no national following.