penn state up to 11 four star commits for 2015

[Oakland]

I'd be surprised if 3, 4, or 5 of the current BOT's were not part of the cover up.

The connection that should be kept alive is the culture and P e d o p h I l I aand a system coverup. That culture still exists.

They should have gotten at least a 5 year total ban if not the death penalty. And before you say these recruits or current players had nothing to do with it, they would have survived.

 

[dasher]

To summarize, they haven't suffered enough and are not repentant enough to suit your tastes.

I guess some feel that the forty years he was there in which he built a successful and admired program count for something.

I wonder if PSU and Paterno hadn't been such paragons, if the National shock would have been less.

That is the point. He didn't built a program that should have been respected. It was a myth. They covered up sexual abuse. That doesn't seem to matter to you. And to answer your question, a major college that has a ped with free access to the campus, that was caught by a former player and then grad student in a shower with a young boy (who they don't know what happened to by the way) would be a major a story anywhere. And yes, considering what they did, the cover-up, they didn't get punished enough. And the re-education camps comment was both cute and very stupid.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'd be surprised if 3, 4, or 5 of the current BOT's were not part of the cover up.

Ray Gricar - http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/02/ray_gricar_mystery_state_polic.html

 

[jvbj01]

Ray Gricar - http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/02/ray_gricar_mystery_state_polic.html

You are reaching now. I had a theory a few years ago also about the ties to the Penn State scandal, but after talking to a local police chief who has been involved in the investigation about this case, my theory was pretty much shut down. Nobody really knows what happened to Gricar. All I know is that my wife owns a business in Lewisburg and that is where he disappeared. I live about 10 minutes down the road from where he was last sen and where his vehicle was found. About a year ago, this source told me there would soon be a break in the case and something would be announced. I might see this fella tonight. If I do, I will ask what the deal is. As far as Gricar not pursuing the Sandusky case at the time is a mystery though.

 

[Townie72]

Its got nothing to do with our recruiting. These arent players that were heading to Syracuse regardless and as stated prior are the level of recruits that penn state has always got.

That was re your earlier post that its 2014 and this is all done and dusted. I live in PA and this was on the radio this AM. Sandusky in jail... proclaiming his innocence, and the Paterno family still fighting for the reputation of St Joe. Sorry that offends whatever soft spot you have for that regime but you can cut the classy comment and simply admit your initial "its 2014" post was wrong. Thanks for assuming you knew my intentions there but you're way off the mark.

Let's go back to the initial post about these recruits "associating themselves with pedophila".

Is that fair? Is that reasonable? Is that what they think they are doing?

What we have here is a bunch of people who feel that PSU has not suffered enough. They are disappointed that the Phoenix is rising from the grave.

The are some that feel they were punished too much and that its time to move on. Lots of PSU fans and PA residents feel that way.

I couldn't tell you who is more right than wrong.

 

[jvbj01]

Let's go back to the initial post about these recruits "associating themselves with pedophila".

Is that fair? Is that reasonable? Is that what they think they are doing?

What we have here is a bunch of people who feel that PSU has not suffered enough. They are disappointed that the Phoenix is rising from the grave.

The are some that feel they were punished too much and that its time to move on. Lots of PSU fans and PA residents feel that way.

I couldn't tell you who is more right than wrong.

What some are saying is that my nephew who goes to Penn State is associated with pedophilia. That is simply idiotic to say that.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

As far as Gricar not pursuing the Sandusky case at the time is a mystery though.

Weird, right?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

What some are saying is that my nephew who goes to Penn State is associated with pedophilia. That is simply idiotic to say that.

I get that you don't want to face that reality, but Penn State is associated with pedophilia. It is. By associating with Penn State, your nephew as consequence is associated with pedophilia. It's really simple. I get that you don't like it, but your nephew goes to a tarnished school and he's going to carry that tarnish with him so long as he references receiving a Penn State education during this time period.

You and Townie keep talking about fairness and feelings. It's not about that. It's about the fact that P e d o p h I l I aimmediately comes to mind when Penn State is mentioned. It is. Don't lie to yourselves that it's not.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Is that fair? Is that reasonable? Is that what they think they are doing?

Yes. Yes. Probably not, which is why it's important to talk about it openly.

 

[ImperialOrange]

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The are some that feel they were punished too much and that its time to move on. Lots of PSU fans and PA residents feel that way.

I couldn't tell you who is more right than wrong.

Bingo. I live and work among them. A few very contrite grads that are dissappointed that their degree has been sullied by the entire thing but think that whatever punishment the football team got was deserved but the vocal majority think there should've been little to no punishment at all and Joe Pa's statue should be put back up ASAP. The latter is the part I can't wrap my head around.

 

[TheCusian]

Let's go back to the initial post about these recruits "associating themselves with pedophila". Is that fair? Is that reasonable? Is that what they think they are doing? What we have here is a bunch of people who feel that PSU has not suffered enough. They are disappointed that the Phoenix is rising from the grave. The are some that feel they were punished too much and that its time to move on. Lots of PSU fans and PA residents feel that way. I couldn't tell you who is more right than wrong.

I don't know what they are thinking - I do know that if my son was being recruited to play there I'd talk to him about the scandal. I would be a bad Dad not to.

There is stink on the program nationally - with all people sans Penn State fandom. If you go there - you will be associated with that stink (to what degree is up for debate).

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I don't know what they are thinking - I do know that if my son was being recruited to play there I'd talk to him about the scandal. I would be a bad Dad not to.

There is stink on the program nationally - with all people sans Penn State fandom. If you go there - you will be associated with that stink (to what degree is up for debate).

That's what I'm saying. I don't get how there's even a debate about it.

If my kids tell me they want to go to Penn State I would tell them about my reservations, and let them know that I would not financially support that decision in any way but they are free to make that choice and all the consequences that may come with it for themselves.

 

[jvbj01]

I get that you don't want to face that reality, but Penn State is associated with pedophilia. It is. By associating with Penn State, your nephew as consequence is associated with pedophilia. It's really simple. I get that you don't like it, but your nephew goes to a tarnished school and he's going to carry that tarnish with him so long as he references receiving a Penn State education during this time period.

You and Townie keep talking about fairness and feelings. It's not about that. It's about the fact that P e d o p h I l I aimmediately comes to mind when Penn State is mentioned. It is. Don't lie to yourselves that it's not.

Where am I talking about fairness and feelings?

 

[jvbj01]

So students that go to SMU are associated with illegal payments and slush funds.
* Students that go to Michigan are associated with payments to basketball players.
*Baylor students are associated with Murder and drugs.
* Miami students are associated with benefits to players.
*Syracuse students are associated with girls being mistreated by basketball players? We have had a few that weren't quite gentlemen.

• Southern Methodist University football scandal: In 1986, it was revealed that Southern Methodist University boosters gave football players thousands of dollars from a "slush fund" with the knowledge of university administrators. Along with a string of prior NCAA violations, this led the NCAA to level the "death penalty" on the school's football team.
• University of Michigan basketball scandal: Four players, most notably Chris Webber, were paid by a booster to launder money from his gambling operations. In some cases, the payments extended to their high school days.
• Baylor University basketball scandal (2003) - player Patrick Dennehy was murdered by teammate Carlton Dotson. Later, coach Dave Bliss instructed his players to lie to NCAA investigators that Dennehy dealt drugs. In the wake of these events, numerous violations of NCAA rules were discovered.
• 2011 University of Miami athletics scandal – Yahoo! Sports broke a story in which former Miami booster Nevin Shapiro, currently imprisoned for running a Ponzi scheme, indicated he had provided massive amounts of improper benefits to Miami players and coaches, mostly in football but also in men's basketball.
• Penn State child sex abuse scandal - In November 2011, former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, is arrested on 40 counts of sexually abusing eight boys over a 15-year period including incidents in Penn State's football facilities. Subsequently, the university's athletic director, Tim Curley, and a Senior Vice President, Gary Schultz, were arrested on perjury charges and for failing to report the incidents thereby fueling speculation of a university coverup. In June 2012, Sandusky was convicted on 45 charges related to the scandal.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

So students that go to SMU are associated with illegal payments and slush funds.
* Students that go to Michigan are associated with payments to basketball players.
*Baylor students are associated with Murder and drugs.
* Miami students are associated with benefits to players.
*Syracuse students are associated with girls being mistreated by basketball players? We have had a few that weren't quite gentlemen.

• Southern Methodist University football scandal: In 1986, it was revealed that Southern Methodist University boosters gave football players thousands of dollars from a "slush fund" with the knowledge of university administrators. Along with a string of prior NCAA violations, this led the NCAA to level the "death penalty" on the school's football team.
• University of Michigan basketball scandal: Four players, most notably Chris Webber, were paid by a booster to launder money from his gambling operations. In some cases, the payments extended to their high school days.
• Baylor University basketball scandal (2003) - player Patrick Dennehy was murdered by teammate Carlton Dotson. Later, coach Dave Bliss instructed his players to lie to NCAA investigators that Dennehy dealt drugs. In the wake of these events, numerous violations of NCAA rules were discovered.
• 2011 University of Miami athletics scandal – Yahoo! Sports broke a story in which former Miami booster Nevin Shapiro, currently imprisoned for running a Ponzi scheme, indicated he had provided massive amounts of improper benefits to Miami players and coaches, mostly in football but also in men's basketball.
• Penn State child s e x abuse scandal - In November 2011, former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, is arrested on 40 counts of s e x ually abusing eight boys over a 15-year period including incidents in Penn State's football facilities. Subsequently, the university's athletic director, Tim Curley, and a Senior Vice President, Gary Schultz, were arrested on perjury charges and for failing to report the incidents thereby fueling speculation of a university coverup. In June 2012, Sandusky was convicted on 45 charges related to the scandal.

Yes.

 

[javadoc]

Well that's not what happened.

So, in your opinion, are 2015 PSU recruits guilty of endorsing P e d o p h I l I aor not?

How might we go about stamping out vestiges of bad "culture"?

How about "Re-education camps"?

I never voiced an opinion about your first question, only spoke about my view on what the program deserved. I do not necessarily believe that current recruits are guilty of endorsing what Sanduusky did and the school covered up. But I do question their judgment, and their families' as well.

I do not believe anyone should be trying to stamp out bad culture. But my statements about the death penalty for PSU's football program are an admission to what was realistically possible. In my personal view, I believe that as long as there is a single person alive who thinks that Joe Pa got a raw deal, there should be no PSU football program.

 

[NKR1978]

So students that go to SMU are associated with illegal payments and slush funds.
* Students that go to Michigan are associated with payments to basketball players.
*Baylor students are associated with Murder and drugs.
* Miami students are associated with benefits to players.
*Syracuse students are associated with girls being mistreated by basketball players? We have had a few that weren't quite gentlemen.

[*]Southern Methodist University football scandal: In 1986, it was revealed that Southern Methodist University boosters gave football players thousands of dollars from a "slush fund" with the knowledge of university administrators. Along with a string of prior NCAA violations, this led the NCAA to level the "death penalty" on the school's football team.
[*]University of Michigan basketball scandal: Four players, most notably Chris Webber, were paid by a booster to launder money from his gambling operations. In some cases, the payments extended to their high school days.
[*]Baylor University basketball scandal (2003) - player Patrick Dennehy was murdered by teammate Carlton Dotson. Later, coach Dave Bliss instructed his players to lie to NCAA investigators that Dennehy dealt drugs. In the wake of these events, numerous violations of NCAA rules were discovered.
[*]2011 University of Miami athletics scandal – Yahoo! Sports broke a story in which former Miami booster Nevin Shapiro, currently imprisoned for running a Ponzi scheme, indicated he had provided massive amounts of improper benefits to Miami players and coaches, mostly in football but also in men's basketball.
[*]Penn State child s e x abuse scandal - In November 2011, former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, is arrested on 40 counts of s e x ually abusing eight boys over a 15-year period including incidents in Penn State's football facilities. Subsequently, the university's athletic director, Tim Curley, and a Senior Vice President, Gary Schultz, were arrested on perjury charges and for failing to report the incidents thereby fueling speculation of a university coverup. In June 2012, Sandusky was convicted on 45 charges related to the scandal.

Nothing comes close to give rise to the level of what happened at PSU. Baylor is in the neighborhood and none of their fans as far as I know whined about the punishment their program received quite like PSU fans. Also, their was no decades long cover up that infected the highest levels of Baylor University.

 

[orangeinjersey]

He only had 2 wins against SEC teams with winning records in his 3 seasons. He did a great job at Vanderbilt but his signature win came against a Georgia team that went 8-5 last year.

Another example of why it doesnt pay to schedule overly agressive like we have been the past few years. No one knows that vandy had only 2 wins vs winning SEC teams in 3 years. That got JF a new gig at PSU with a plethora of 4 star commits.

 

[Ozcuse]

1) Some people are upset because the rape of young boys and the alleged coverup was unconscionable.

2) Some people are upset because they had a vested interest in thinking this would lead to Syracuse overtaking Penn St. in football recruiting.

3) Some people are upset because 1) happened and 2) didn't happen.

 

[Townie72]

I never voiced an opinion about your first question, only spoke about my view on what the program deserved. I do not necessarily believe that current recruits are guilty of endorsing what Sanduusky did and the school covered up. But I do question their judgment, and their families' as well.

I do not believe anyone should be trying to stamp out bad culture. But my statements about the death penalty for PSU's football program are an admission to what was realistically possible. In my personal view, I believe that as long as there is a single person alive who thinks that Joe Pa got a raw deal, there should be no PSU football program.

"I believe that as long as there is a single person alive who thinks that Joe Pa got a raw deal, there should be no PSU football program."

Given that strongly-held opinion, I'd suggest you get a heavy bag and put it up in your basement so you can take your frustration out on it. Because five years from now the Sandusky uproar will be largely forgotten.

I spent some time on the PSU campus last summer. It seemed tranquil and beautiful. I didn't see a single soul dressed in sack cloth and ashes.

Hey, I know how you feel. I'm a Conservative living in the People's Republic of Montgomery County, MD.

 

[SU2NASA]

* Students that go to Michigan are associated with payments to basketball players.

My email signature may not be the best example for your point...

 

[jvbj01]

G

My email signature may not be the best example for your point...

Anyhow, my original post was about how PSU is recruiting so far. They are certainly on a different level.

 

[CuseLegacy]

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter



Things have escalated in the budding rivalry between Rutgers and Penn State.
The teams have traded subtle jabs in the lead-up to their highly anticipated primetime matchup on Sept. 13 at High Point Solutions Stadium, which will double as Rutgers' Big Ten debut. But Penn State coach James Franklin took things to another level with a haymaker on Wednesday.
Speaking in Baltimore as part of Penn State's annual Coaches Caravan, Franklin made clear that he plans to own the region in recruiting.
"I consider this in-state. I consider New Jersey in-state," Franklin said, according to The Baltimore Sun. Of the schools in those areas, he said, "might as well shut them down because they don't have a chance."
It was a much more direct shot from Franklin, who had described his plan to dominate the region in recruiting during his introductory press conference in January.
Rutgers coach Kyle Flood has started referring to the Nittany Lions simply as "the team from Pennsylvania" and last week he encouraged fans to "make sure you've got a good seat" for the Sept. 13 matchup.
Rutgers players haven't been shy about their feelings toward their new conference rivals located 230 miles to the west, as starting right guard and Perkiomenville, Pa., native Chris Muller said he didn't want to talk about "the team that wears blue and white."
During a conference call Wednesday afternoon to discuss his team's continued academic success, Flood declined to respond to Franklin's comments.
"I'm sure we'll have plenty of time to talk about that stuff at a later date," Flood said.
Franklin has backed up his boasts about recruiting in his first four months on the job by landing three of the top five prospects from New Jersey in the class of 2015.
Even the recent resurfacing of a rape case involving four players while Franklin was head coach at Vanderbilt last year has had no discernible impact on his recruiting success. Franklin has assembled the second-best 2015 recruiting class in the nation, according to all of the major recruiting websites.
Franklin responded to questions about the Vanderbilt case in his first stop on the Coaches Caravan. He said he cooperated fully with authorities, but declined to get into specifics due to the ongoing legal proceedings.
Perhaps that issue will become an obstacle for Franklin as the case unfolds. But recruits don't seem affected by that or the Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse scandal that rocked the university less than three years ago.
"I wasn't bothered by the Penn State scandal because I knew they had rebounded from it really well from it and the school had more to offer me than Rutgers and other schools," Juwan Johnson, a four-star wide receiver from Glassboro who is committed to Penn State, told ESPN.com. "I just don't think Rutgers can compete with Penn State now with all that's going on."

 

[NashvilleOrange]

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

I might actually watch and root for Rutgers...

 

[NKR1978]

I might actually watch and root for Rutgers...

Kind of hard to believe that PSU is giving Rutgers the time of day. Imagine the directive is coming from Delaney to build up a "rivalry."