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[JeremyCuse]

Its important to understand the difference between racism and racial prejudice. It’s not semantics. This explains it well:

“To say that you’re racially prejudiced against another person means that you prejudge him on the basis of the racial group to which he belongs.

The logic here goes as follows: “This person belongs to racial group X. People from group X have characteristic Y. Therefore, this person has characteristic Y as well.” This judgment is made before you have any empirical evidence that the person has the characteristic in question. That’s why it’s called a prejudgment, or prejudice.

If you then act on your prejudice against the person, you’re discriminating against him. This could take the form of ignoring, excluding, avoiding, ridiculing, threatening or even committing violence against the person against whom you’re discriminating.

In these senses of the terms, a person from any racial group can be racially prejudiced and can racially discriminate against a person from any other racial group. White people can do so against black people – and vice versa.

However, racial prejudice and discrimination only become racism when one racial group has more power than another group and uses that power against its members in a systemic manner. To do that, the more powerful group incorporates their prejudices into society’s laws, institutions, policies and norms, which they can then use to discriminate against the less powerful group on a group-to-group, rather than just an individual-to-individual, level.

Thus, black people can be prejudiced and discriminate against white people – but they cannot be racist against them, because of the imbalance in power between the two groups.

For example, a black real estate agent could avoid doing business with a white person because of her race, just as a white real estate agent could do to a black person. But black people cannot create and implement policies that lead to white people being prohibited from purchasing homes in predominantly black neighborhoods, whereas white people can and have done so to black people.

Black people simply lack the power to turn their racial prejudice and discrimination into racism, which is a system of racial oppression, not a mere feeling or behavior that’s racially motivated.”

Good post, some good examples there.

 

[NKR1978]

I don't think anyone is going to argue that the system overall has worked out for whites, it clearly has not sure who is arguing otherwise and I don't remember anyone saying its offensive for someone of POC to want the same opportunites, they absolutely should. We all know that there are still racial elements in this country that adversely affect POC 100X more then other people, again no argument. My only point is you can't make a blanket statement that racism whatever definition you want to use doesn't apply to a certain subset of the population.

I think that's fair.

It's an arguable point and he made some points I haven't really considered and it's fun to be challenged on your views or things you "know" to be true. I don't know that I agree with everything he's said, but it definitely made me think and reconsider and look at things differently.

This was a fun day for me in terms of the board. Made the last few hours of work fly. This thread would have died hours ago if we lost last night though.

 

[longislandcuse]

Its important to understand the difference between racism and racial prejudice. It’s not semantics. This explains it well:

“To say that you’re racially prejudiced against another person means that you prejudge him on the basis of the racial group to which he belongs.

The logic here goes as follows: “This person belongs to racial group X. People from group X have characteristic Y. Therefore, this person has characteristic Y as well.” This judgment is made before you have any empirical evidence that the person has the characteristic in question. That’s why it’s called a prejudgment, or prejudice.

If you then act on your prejudice against the person, you’re discriminating against him. This could take the form of ignoring, excluding, avoiding, ridiculing, threatening or even committing violence against the person against whom you’re discriminating.

In these senses of the terms, a person from any racial group can be racially prejudiced and can racially discriminate against a person from any other racial group. White people can do so against black people – and vice versa.

However, racial prejudice and discrimination only become racism when one racial group has more power than another group and uses that power against its members in a systemic manner. To do that, the more powerful group incorporates their prejudices into society’s laws, institutions, policies and norms, which they can then use to discriminate against the less powerful group on a group-to-group, rather than just an individual-to-individual, level.

Thus, black people can be prejudiced and discriminate against white people – but they cannot be racist against them, because of the imbalance in power between the two groups.

For example, a black real estate agent could avoid doing business with a white person because of her race, just as a white real estate agent could do to a black person. But black people cannot create and implement policies that lead to white people being prohibited from purchasing homes in predominantly black neighborhoods, whereas white people can and have done so to black people.

Black people simply lack the power to turn their racial prejudice and discrimination into racism, which is a system of racial oppression, not a mere feeling or behavior that’s racially motivated.”

Not that I necessarily disagree with most of this, but it’s also your opinion of what racism is. This isn’t the generally accepted definition.

 

[rrlbees]

There was an anti Semitic incident just off campus. Copy cats now.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Something about this has a Jessie Smollett tinge to it. It's just weird, out of character and so brazen, its bound to get traction and notoriaty.
Could also be some idiots, or single idiot, but we will likely never know. Also of that was your mindset who choose a multiracial school like SU.
Just weird, overall. And sad.

 

[kirbivore]

The brief answer - from what I've heard - is basically yes, although not on a real overt level. There have been some racial undercurrents on campus for a while now, and I think there are a number of students that are feeling marginalized - not necessarily by the administration or campus policies, but on the seeming lack of pro-activeness of the administration. We saw things start to come to a head with the frat incident last year. The reaction now isn't to the racist graffiti as a standalone issue, but basically a culmination of things with the graffiti being the straw that broke the camel's back. This one incident and the response shouldn't be looked at in a vacuum.

As for the graffiti itself (second hand info) - the N word appeared several times, along with slurs against Asians and several minority student's names called out specifically. Pretty ugly stuff. Perhaps some of this is a result of declining academic standing and rising "party school" status. I know Kent hates that label, but what is the school doing to change the profile of admitted/incoming students?

I hope the writers of said graffiti don't go full Remy

 

[kirbivore]

It's shocking, but not really shocking at all, that not many people seem to be reading what you're actually saying, and the fact that this is your field of study and perhaps the research you've done/studied is more thorough than personal anecdotal experience.

I think one fear is that "coddling" POC isn't going to do anyone any favors in life, and especially for the world after college.

 

[kuethstheman]

Not that I necessarily disagree with most of this, but it’s also your opinion of what racism is. This isn’t the generally accepted definition.

Perhaps, among the people you associate with. Among black people I know, that's what it means, dictionary's version notwithstanding.

 

[4evaOrange]

As to what bees said they back at it again.


Syracuse Police & Syracuse University DPS investigating swastika etched in snow

UPDATE: SPD and SU investigate two cases of racist graffiti happening in a matter of hours

SYRACUSE, N.Y. (WSYR-TV) — The Syracuse Police Department and the Syracuse University Department of Public Safety are now investigating two new instances of racial graffiti found on and near …

www.localsyr.com

(Via 9 WSYR)

Call in the national guard this is getting ridiculous.

 

[Trueblue25]

Somebody’s loving the attention and reactions

 

[NKR1978]

Somebody’s loving the attention and reactions

Until someone gets caught. Then they're going to cry that it isn't fair that their actions have consequences.

 

[shantydaze]

Its important to understand the difference between racism and racial prejudice. It’s not semantics. This explains it well:

“To say that you’re racially prejudiced against another person means that you prejudge him on the basis of the racial group to which he belongs.

The logic here goes as follows: “This person belongs to racial group X. People from group X have characteristic Y. Therefore, this person has characteristic Y as well.” This judgment is made before you have any empirical evidence that the person has the characteristic in question. That’s why it’s called a prejudgment, or prejudice.

If you then act on your prejudice against the person, you’re discriminating against him. This could take the form of ignoring, excluding, avoiding, ridiculing, threatening or even committing violence against the person against whom you’re discriminating.

In these senses of the terms, a person from any racial group can be racially prejudiced and can racially discriminate against a person from any other racial group. White people can do so against black people – and vice versa.

However, racial prejudice and discrimination only become racism when one racial group has more power than another group and uses that power against its members in a systemic manner. To do that, the more powerful group incorporates their prejudices into society’s laws, institutions, policies and norms, which they can then use to discriminate against the less powerful group on a group-to-group, rather than just an individual-to-individual, level.

Thus, black people can be prejudiced and discriminate against white people – but they cannot be racist against them, because of the imbalance in power between the two groups.

For example, a black real estate agent could avoid doing business with a white person because of her race, just as a white real estate agent could do to a black person. But black people cannot create and implement policies that lead to white people being prohibited from purchasing homes in predominantly black neighborhoods, whereas white people can and have done so to black people.

Black people simply lack the power to turn their racial prejudice and discrimination into racism, which is a system of racial oppression, not a mere feeling or behavior that’s racially motivated.”

I think this is an excellent explanation of the distinction between racism and racial prejudice. Here is my only quibble. The accusation of racism gets thrown around too freely around. Interestingly, I see this accusation used more often by white people against other white people. Anyway, I digress. White people can be racist. An individual white person can be racially prejudiced. When comments are made like, "only white people can be racist," I think white people hear "only individuals who are white can be racist," i.e. only you can be racist.

 

[rrlbees]

This is getting stupid. Another incident tonight in a dorm.

 

[4evaOrange]

This is getting stupid. Another incident tonight in a dorm.

Racist graffiti again found at Syracuse University residence hall

For the fourth time in a week, officials are investigating racist writings or drawings at Syracuse University.

www.syracuse.com

 

[Cheriehoop]

This is getting stupid. Another incident tonight in a dorm.

Idiots are idiots. Publicizing such stupidity only creates more of it. Back in the olden days, in other words my college days, calling in bomb scares was ‘the thing’. Every scheduled test would produce a sudden ‘bomb scare’. They never found a bomb in the hundreds of bomb call ins thankfully. It was intermingled with anti war protests. If you give people craving attention, a platform they will be more than happy to continually take it.

I remember studying for a test when other students told the students who did study, that they were dumb to bother because there would be a bomb scare. They were right but our professor got ticked (would have been the 3rd postponement) and told us to stay seated and finish the test. I did and probably half of the students did while the remainder walked out anyways.(like my roommate who hadn’t studied anyways)It resulted in another huge protest against the professor who they claimed didn’t care if students lived or died so the administration caved in - and decided there would be only pass- fails for that course. Well of course that caused even more protests - some who wanted actual grades, others who were failing at the time crying that it was unfair to them. Classes ended up being a sad joke. By the way there was no actual bombs in these hundreds of calls.

No one ends up happy in these public political hysterical cases except those who thought it was all just one big cosmic joke. No way was the war a joke, having constant bomb threats certainly wasn’t a joke but tying both together sadly ended up being one to many kids. Students were skipping classes, many not bothering to even study, counting on these bomb scares. Eventually the entire semester was ended early and students were given the choice of pass/fail or their grade before total chaos reigned on the campus. Protesting at our 8,000 student state college didn’t end the war and the bomb scares died away when the next semester started.

 

[OttoMets]

Idiots are idiots. Publicizing such stupidity only creates more of it. ...

I have to say, if you saw a swastika in the snow, wouldn't you either ignore it (it melts) or scuff it out with your foot?

Keep it quiet, move on. I can't think of anything positive that can come from publicizing this other than continuing the frenzy.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I have to say, if you saw a swastika in the snow, wouldn't you either ignore it (it melts) or scuff it out with your foot?

Keep it quiet, move on. I can't think of anything positive that can come from publicizing this other than continuing the frenzy.

Bingo, simply use your foot to destroy it, put snow on it, piss on it (chip and millhouse) just make it go away. By freeking out about it and making it a public issue via social media and syracuse.com this just gets those doing it even more riled up and there definitely getting off on it.

 

[orange79]

...
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
...

 

[Trueblue25]

Any comment from the county or city? This is their jurisdiction, not the University’s imo

 

[OttoMets]

Any comment from the county or city? This is their jurisdiction, not the University’s imo

I don't think it'd be appropriate. Snow defacement isn't a violation of any criminal law I'm aware of.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I don't think it'd be appropriate. Snow defacement isn't a violation of any criminal law I'm aware of.

Ya I mean at this point the best thing they can do is say nothing. Holding a press conference for a snow symbol isn't going to help anything or anybody.

 

[Trueblue25]

I don't think it'd be appropriate. Snow defacement isn't a violation of any criminal law I'm aware of.

Agreed, no idea what the goal is of publicizing this stuff. Makes you think

 

[721Comstock]

Idiots are idiots. Publicizing such stupidity only creates more of it. Back in the olden days, in other words my college days, calling in bomb scares was ‘the thing’. Every scheduled test would produce a sudden ‘bomb scare’. They never found a bomb in the hundreds of bomb call ins thankfully. It was intermingled with anti war protests. If you give people craving attention, a platform they will be more than happy to continually take it.

I remember studying for a test when other students told the students who did study, that they were dumb to bother because there would be a bomb scare. They were right but our professor got ticked (would have been the 3rd postponement) and told us to stay seated and finish the test. I did and probably half of the students did while the remainder walked out anyways.(like my roommate who hadn’t studied anyways)It resulted in another huge protest against the professor who they claimed didn’t care if students lived or died so the administration caved in - and decided there would be only pass- fails for that course. Well of course that caused even more protests - some who wanted actual grades, others who were failing at the time crying that it was unfair to them. Classes ended up being a sad joke. By the way there was no actual bombs in these hundreds of calls.

No one ends up happy in these public political hysterical cases except those who thought it was all just one big cosmic joke. No way was the war a joke, having constant bomb threats certainly wasn’t a joke but tying both together sadly ended up being one to many kids. Students were skipping classes, many not bothering to even study, counting on these bomb scares. Eventually the entire semester was ended early and students were given the choice of pass/fail or their trade before total chaos reigned on the campus. Protesting at our 8,000 student state college didn’t end the war and the bomb scares died away when the next semester started.

Yes - it typically seems like publicizing ANY bad activities ends up leading to more of them.

Also agree about how overdoing things like "bomb scare training" leads to apathy regarding them.
After a while, we used to hide in our closets (HI CHIP AND MILLHOUSE!! ) in Lawrinson during fire drills, since there never was actually a fire.

Until the one time there actually was a fire, and they busted into our room and caught us there, and we got in trouble.

 

[Eric15]

I have to say, if you saw a swastika in the snow, wouldn't you either ignore it (it melts) or scuff it out with your foot?

Keep it quiet, move on. I can't think of anything positive that can come from publicizing this other than continuing the frenzy.

I would personally probably just scuff it out, but I'm hesitant to tell a Jewish person how to feel or act in that scenario. What if they had a grandparent who escaped the Holocaust, for example. Or what if this was one of many times they saw anti-Semitic messaging in their life, and they always kept quiet before, but this was the straw that broke the camel's back and they were fed up?

 

[bnoro]

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if they catch one of the protesters being one of the people doing this so their cause seems more legit.

Not saying that that's what's going on, but it's happened before...