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[HakAttack]

So if a POC discriminates against a white person that’s not racism? What is it then?

How might they be discriminated against?

 

[HakAttack]

I wish we could come up with a different word than "racism", in this context (maybe someone has?). Since the actual definition of the word is different than how it's being used, it confuses people, prompting at least some white people to be defensive and automatically opposed. Including me, until it was explained to me.

Yup. That word you’re looking for is “white supremacy”. Two words, actually. You make a great point. We, generally speaking, in the US, conflate racism with “person A says something racist or has racist feelings about person B”. While yes, that is a part of a system of racism, it’s not THE system. It’s an individual example of a larger systemic problem.

One of the issues with how we generally talk about racism in this country is that we only focus on individuals, and often ignore larger systems and examples of racism. (GI Bill, Rt81/CBE - urban “renewal” more broadly, Redlining, etc etc).

 

[Trueblue25]

No, racism isn’t a two way street, nor should it be. That’s akin so saying that in Charlottesville there was “bad people on both sides.” Only white folks can be racist. Whether or not white people want it, or are openly racist in their own lives, they all benefit from being white in a racist society. That doesn’t mean that all white people are bad. That’s not what I’m saying.

Because racism is a systemic issue and not just a personal issue of individual interaction, in a society where one race has the most privilege and social power, only whites can be racist.

If that makes people feel better, then sure I guess.

If I don’t like a person, I don’t know, because they’re of color then I’m a racist.

If a person of color who doesn’t know me doesn’t like me because I’m white, then what are they? Just stupid?

In what way does any of that improve the loudly stated grievances?

 

[kuethstheman]

Yup. That word you’re looking for is “white supremacy”. Two words, actually. You make a great point. We, generally speaking, in the US, conflate racism with “person A says something racist or has racist feelings about person B”. While yes, that is a part of a system of racism, it’s not THE system. It’s an individual example of a larger systemic problem.

One of the issues with how we generally talk about racism in this country is that we only focus on individuals, and often ignore larger systems and examples of racism. (GI Bill, Rt81/CBE - urban “renewal” more broadly, Redlining, etc etc).

I'm interested in the GI Bill example. What happened there?

 

[310Pigpen]

How might they be discriminated against?

By being called names? By feeling unsafe in an area that they’re the minority? Use the same examples you use and reverse them, what would you say that is? It’s not racism or discrimination?

 

[HakAttack]

If that makes people feel better, then sure I guess.

If I don’t like a person, I don’t know, because they’re of color then I’m a racist.

If a person of color who doesn’t know me doesn’t like me because I’m white, then what are they? Just stupid?

In what way does any of that improve the loudly stated grievances?

The difference is that in a white supremacist society, you as a white person have more social power than that person of color has, so the power dynamic is already at an imbalance. Sure, they can be prejudiced towards you. Anyone can be prejudiced. Different thing.

 

[HakAttack]

I'm interested in the GI Bill example. What happened there?

The GI bill is somewhat directly responsible for the explosion of the suburbs and the wave of white flight that many cities (including Syracuse) experienced in the 60’s.

Essentially it gave white GIs the ability to come home, get higher education and to own their own homes with very little money down and incredibly cheap interest rates (which is similar to our modern system of mortgage lending). None of these benefits were offered to black GIs when they returned home.

Over generations, this gave white families the chance to own their own homes, which in the US, is one of the best ways to accumulate generational wealth while black families were largely shut out of the housing market due to racist practices like redlining and restrictive covenants.

It’s one reason why the racial wealth gap in the US still persists. Not the entire reason, but certainly a big part of it. It’s hard to accumulate and pass down wealth generationally speaking when you don’t own your own home.

Essentially, you can think of it as a hugely beneficial government program that was for only one race that had huge consequences on racial equality for the rest of the 20th C.

How the GI Bill's Promise Was Denied to a Million Black WWII Veterans | HISTORY

The sweeping bill following World War II promised prosperity to veterans. So why didn’t Black Americans benefit?

www.history.com

 

[HakAttack]

By being called names? By feeling unsafe in an area that they’re the minority? Use the same examples you use and reverse them, what would you say that is? It’s not racism or discrimination?

But that’s not systemic racism. And if anything, ironically, one of the safest places for white folks to be in is areas where they’re the racial minority, since those areas tend to be disproportionately over-policed and surveiled.

 

[Trueblue25]

The difference is that in a white supremacist society, you as a white person have more social power than that person of color has, so the power dynamic is already at an imbalance. Sure, they can be prejudiced towards you. Anyone can be prejudiced. Different thing.

Ah ok, that makes more sense.

I’m just skeptical because I think encouraging further segregation, be it for POC or not, adds to an already ugly societal issue. It’s not made OK because they’re not white, it’s a step back no matter the pov.

 

[Alsacs]

Not only does the country need diversity of appearance it needs a major push to accept diversity of thought.
Protest only cares about the first one but I believe the latter is the one this country needs to overcome more.

Protesting is fine as long as it’s civil.
These kids can protest all they want and people can choose to ignore it.
JB can have his opinion.
People can disagree.

 

[HakAttack]

Ah ok, that makes more sense.

I’m just skeptical because I think encouraging further segregation, be it for POC or not, adds to an already ugly societal issue. It’s not made OK because they’re not white, it’s a step back no matter the pov.

Agreed. I’m generally in favor of integration, if, and only if, it’s not dangerous/hostile for POC. What I’m saying is that what’s been happening at SU makes it hard to fulfill that.

 

[EastCoast2]

Only white folks can be racist.

Because racism is a systemic issue and not just a personal issue of individual interaction, in a society where one race has the most privilege and social power, only whites can be racist.

Do you honestly believe this?

I didn’t realize Syracuse University became such an insulated, sheltered bubble.

 

[HakAttack]

Do you honestly believe this?

I didn’t realize Syracuse University became such an insulated, sheltered bubble.

I do, yes. And most social scientists and folks who study this topic would agree.

 

[Alsacs]

I do, yes. And most social scientists and folks who study this topic would agree.

Hines Ward and his upbringing would disagree with you.
White people aren’t the only people capable of being racist.

 

[EastCoast2]

But that’s not systemic racism. And if anything, ironically, one of the safest places for white folks to be in is areas where they’re the racial minority, since those areas tend to be disproportionately over-policed and surveiled.

So a white teenager is at more danger walking through the south side at 2:00am than through downtown Cazenovia?

 

[EastCoast2]

I do, yes. And most social scientists and folks who study this topic would agree.

Can mainland Chinese be racist towards Japanese, Koreans, and Vietnamese?

 

[HakAttack]

Hines Ward and his upbringing would disagree with you.
White people aren’t the only people capable of being racist.

***Let me preface this by stating that I'm talking about racism IN THE U.S.***

If we're talking about a definition of racism that goes beyond individuals engaging in acts towards each other at the personal level, and include a definition that accounts for systemic ways people of color are oppressed, then yes, white people are the only people capable of being racist.

If you're talking about a different definition of racism, you're missing a large part of the definition, IMO.

 

[HakAttack]

So a white teenager is at more danger walking through the south side at 2:00am than through downtown Cazenovia?

I'd argue that they're in less danger, if any at all in either place.

 

[Alsacs]

Can mainland Chinese be racist towards Japanese, Koreans, and Vietnamese?

it’s obvious yes. Japan’s history with South Korea and China show racism is prevalent in Asia.

 

[HakAttack]

Can mainland Chinese be racist towards Japanese, Koreans, and Vietnamese?

Do they live in China? Or do they live in the U.S.? If they live in a country outside of the U.S., sure, other racial and ethnic groups outside of the U.S. are certainly capable of being racist towards other racial/ethnic groups within their own countries.

Brazil has a very complex racial history, for example.

 

[EastCoast2]

“Social scientists”...

Go tell the 12 year old boys in Germany getting beat up because they’re white, that they’re the racists. Or the 10 year old girls in Sweden getting raped by migrants that it’s because the girls hold systemic power.

 

[EastCoast2]

Do they live in China? Or do they live in the U.S.? If they live in a country outside of the U.S., sure, other racial and ethnic groups outside of the U.S. are certainly capable of being racist towards other racial/ethnic groups within their own countries.

Brazil has a very complex racial history, for example.

Chinese Americans who don’t like Koreans... is it racist? Are you saying whether an individual is racist or no racist depends on which country they live in? That’s nonsense.

 

[NKR1978]

“Social scientists”...

Go tell the 12 year old boys in Germany getting beat up because they’re white, that they’re the racists. Or the 10 year old girls in Sweden getting raped by migrants that it’s because the girls hold systemic power.

So the guy who raped a 10 year old girl can't just be a pedophile, he has to be a racist pedophile?

You're one of those people who has never been to Sweden but thinks it's "lost." Perhaps get your news from real news sources and not "Voice of Europe" and other white supremacist outlets.

 

[HakAttack]

“Social scientists”...

Go tell the 12 year old boys in Germany getting beat up because they’re white, that they’re the racists. Or the 10 year old girls in Sweden getting raped by migrants that it’s because the girls hold systemic power.

Chinese Americans who don’t like Koreans... is it racist? Are you saying whether an individual is racist or no racist depends on which country they live in? That’s nonsense.

Dude, each country and society approaches race differently. Each country and society has folks that are racially speaking, in power. In South Africa, for example, historically it's been the white population, despite being outnumbered in terms of population size by black South Africans. And nice touch to add some xenophobic claims about immigrants. Good stuff. You're wrong, btw.

Are Migrants Truly Raping Swedish Women?

The allegations are horrifying, but Sweden’s number of rapes has remained stable since the refugee influx, and police have had to retract accusations.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[NKR1978]

Dude, each country and society approaches race differently. Each country and society has folks that are racially speaking, in power. In South Africa, for example, historically it's been the white population, despite being outnumbered in terms of population size by black South Africans. And nice touch to add some xenophobic claims about immigrants. Good stuff. You're wrong, btw.

Are Migrants Truly Raping Swedish Women?

The allegations are horrifying, but Sweden’s number of rapes has remained stable since the refugee influx, and police have had to retract accusations.

www.thedailybeast.com

It's not worth trying to discuss this with someone who pulls out something that might have happened in Sweden once. He's not coming from an honest place and is clearly not trying to have a reasonable or nuanced discussion. He gets his news from racist twitter accounts that think Sweden is lost and I bet it's 50/50 that he owns a passport and has left the country.