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One of my friends, yes i do have friends (first cousin) and he is an administrator at NC State (how I got tickets for the 'Cuse-NC State bball game and hopefully will have tickets for many other ACC games)...tells me no way does FSU and Clemson leave for Big 12 (now SEC would be a different story but most likely not). He calls this blog perhaps the best in college football...so here goes the analysis and interestingly, it concentrates on academics more so than athletics and relates the problem with WVU coming to ACC etc. It also discusses what was reason for Texas and Oklahoma not getting into the Pac 10...it wasnt these two institutions it was their traveling partners.
So based on this, I am feeling solid about the ACC...what do you think?
Below is part of the article...and then the link...
"Academics. The people spreading these rumors don’t possess degrees from the universities whose futures they want to determine. To them, these are “teams,” not “universities.” Florida State is first and foremost a UNIVERSITY, not a football team. The individuals who ultimately would make a decision of this gravity – the university president and board of trustees – are highly educated people, many FSU graduates, who understand athletics is a piece (an important piece, but not the whole purpose) of an overall university mission.
In the 2012 U.S. News and World Report rankings of American colleges and universities the ACC stood head and shoulders above all other BCS conferences with an average ranking of 43.25. That ranking stands almost 30 places higher than the next highest for any conference and a country mile ahead of the Big 12 whose average placement was 100.3. In language as simple as I can make it, NO UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT OR BOARD OF TRUSTEES WILL EVER LEAVE AN ASSOCIATION WITH SCHOOLS LIKE DUKE, UNC, WAKE FOREST, MIAMI, GEORGIA TECH, BOSTON COLLEGE AND VIRGINIA IN FAVOR OF ONE WITH TEXAS TECH, OKLAHOMA STATE, WEST VIRGINIA AND KANSAS STATE.
If you’re one of the many who doesn’t think academic reputation matters to conference expansion, let me enlighten you.
Why were Texas A&M and Missouri invited to join the SEC? There were many reasons and one of the biggest was the membership of those two schools in the prestigious Association of American Universities. The SEC not only wanted to improve its collective television markets with the addition of the Aggies and Tigers, it wanted to improve its academic clout.
Why was neither the SEC nor ACC interested in adding West Virginia University despite its strong athletic department? Why has the University of Louisville been left behind in this recent round of expansion? Neither WVU nor UL possesses a strong enough academic reputation to be courted by any conference aside from the scholastically puny Big 12. With its athletic excellence, industry-leading facilities, brand value, resources, charm and ownership of a medium sized TV market if it weren’t for academic reputation the University of Louisville would have joined the SEC, ACC or Big 10 long ago. (This is not to say UL is a bad school; it’s a fine school whose mission has been largely about service to non-traditional college students which accounts for its lower rankings. This is a long story I won’t get into here.)
Never was the influence of academics on conference expansion made more clear than the Pac 12’s refusal to add four Big 12 schools in the Fall of 2011. Remember when it was a “done deal” that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were joining the Pac 12? They all wanted to go and Pac 12 Commissioner Larry Scott wanted them in, but the presidents at his member institutions told him “no” – emphatically. Despite the new TV markets it would have opened up, despite the cash windfall it would have presented, despite the power of the Texas and Oklahoma brands, the presidents of great academic institutions like Cal-Berkley, Stanford, UCLA, USC and Washington said we’re not letting Texas Tech and Oklahoma State into this conference. Period.
Conference expansion involves multiple factors. Academics plays a larger role than fans recognize. This is the number-one reason FSU will never join the Big 12 and it’s such a strong reason none others are needed.
This link will provide many good readings on ACC to come:
http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/forget-rumors-reasons-why-fsu-would-never-join-the-big-12/
So based on this, I am feeling solid about the ACC...what do you think?
Below is part of the article...and then the link...
"Academics. The people spreading these rumors don’t possess degrees from the universities whose futures they want to determine. To them, these are “teams,” not “universities.” Florida State is first and foremost a UNIVERSITY, not a football team. The individuals who ultimately would make a decision of this gravity – the university president and board of trustees – are highly educated people, many FSU graduates, who understand athletics is a piece (an important piece, but not the whole purpose) of an overall university mission.
In the 2012 U.S. News and World Report rankings of American colleges and universities the ACC stood head and shoulders above all other BCS conferences with an average ranking of 43.25. That ranking stands almost 30 places higher than the next highest for any conference and a country mile ahead of the Big 12 whose average placement was 100.3. In language as simple as I can make it, NO UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT OR BOARD OF TRUSTEES WILL EVER LEAVE AN ASSOCIATION WITH SCHOOLS LIKE DUKE, UNC, WAKE FOREST, MIAMI, GEORGIA TECH, BOSTON COLLEGE AND VIRGINIA IN FAVOR OF ONE WITH TEXAS TECH, OKLAHOMA STATE, WEST VIRGINIA AND KANSAS STATE.
If you’re one of the many who doesn’t think academic reputation matters to conference expansion, let me enlighten you.
Why were Texas A&M and Missouri invited to join the SEC? There were many reasons and one of the biggest was the membership of those two schools in the prestigious Association of American Universities. The SEC not only wanted to improve its collective television markets with the addition of the Aggies and Tigers, it wanted to improve its academic clout.
Why was neither the SEC nor ACC interested in adding West Virginia University despite its strong athletic department? Why has the University of Louisville been left behind in this recent round of expansion? Neither WVU nor UL possesses a strong enough academic reputation to be courted by any conference aside from the scholastically puny Big 12. With its athletic excellence, industry-leading facilities, brand value, resources, charm and ownership of a medium sized TV market if it weren’t for academic reputation the University of Louisville would have joined the SEC, ACC or Big 10 long ago. (This is not to say UL is a bad school; it’s a fine school whose mission has been largely about service to non-traditional college students which accounts for its lower rankings. This is a long story I won’t get into here.)
Never was the influence of academics on conference expansion made more clear than the Pac 12’s refusal to add four Big 12 schools in the Fall of 2011. Remember when it was a “done deal” that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were joining the Pac 12? They all wanted to go and Pac 12 Commissioner Larry Scott wanted them in, but the presidents at his member institutions told him “no” – emphatically. Despite the new TV markets it would have opened up, despite the cash windfall it would have presented, despite the power of the Texas and Oklahoma brands, the presidents of great academic institutions like Cal-Berkley, Stanford, UCLA, USC and Washington said we’re not letting Texas Tech and Oklahoma State into this conference. Period.
Conference expansion involves multiple factors. Academics plays a larger role than fans recognize. This is the number-one reason FSU will never join the Big 12 and it’s such a strong reason none others are needed.
This link will provide many good readings on ACC to come:
http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/forget-rumors-reasons-why-fsu-would-never-join-the-big-12/
