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Class of 2022 PG Quadir Copeland (PA/IMG) COMMITTED/SIGNED TO SYRACUSE

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IthacaMatt said:
Not so sure about that:

High School: McNabb earned Parade Magazine All-American honors while leading Mount Carmel to a state championship ... Earned Chicago Sun Times Athlete of the Year honors as a senior.
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I don't believe there were recruiting services who awarded stars back then. However, it's fair to say that McNabb didn't have a ton of offers, and in fact, I seem to recall the Cornhuskers were recruiting McNabb to play Safety.
Maybe a better, contemporary example is Sean Tucker, whom one popular recruiting service (2-7) awarded 3 stars and the #58 RB in his class.
And since this is on the BB forum, an under-rated player who immediately comes to mind is Hakim Warrick, who I'm pretty sure was a 3 star recruit and a fall-back option after Julius Hodge spurned us.

So I would agree with Bill that the current recruiting service ratings are very subjective aren't always reliable in projecting future success.
 
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I would like to point out the legion of Three Stars recruits that never amounted to anything at this level because everybody was right that they weren't elite talents.

There are several hundred players that are (reasonably) accurately ranked for every Warrick and Tucker.

Note: this is not a critique of Copeland. I think he was mistakenly ranked lower than he should have been due to a once a century issue that kept the players and evaluators home. Copeland will be top 50 by the end of the season. He won't be higher partly because of the persistent anti Syracuse bias in the rankings.
 
Niastri said:
I would like to point out the legion of Three Stars recruits that never amounted to anything at this level because everybody was right that they weren't elite talents.

There are several hundred players that are (reasonably) accurately ranked for every Warrick and Tucker.

Note: this is not a critique of Copeland. I think he was mistakenly ranked lower than he should have been due to a once a century issue that kept the players and evaluators home. Copeland will be top 50 by the end of the season. He won't be higher partly because of the persistent anti Syracuse bias in the rankings.
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Quade green says hello
 
JoeSU said:
I don't believe there were recruiting services who awarded stars back then. However, it's fair to say that McNabb didn't have a ton of offers, and in fact, I seem to recall the Cornhuskers were recruiting McNabb to play Safety.
Maybe a better, contemporary example is Sean Tucker, whom one popular recruiting service (2-7) awarded 3 stars and the #58 RB in his class.
And since this is on the BB forum, an under-rated player who immediately comes to mind is Hakim Warrick, who I'm pretty sure was a 3 star recruit and a fall-back option after Julius Hodge spurned us.

So I would agree with Bill that the current recruiting service ratings are very subjective aren't always reliable in projecting future success.
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I’m pretty sure Nebraska recruited him to QB. What I recall is that they didn’t want him playing basketball.
 
walsh2012 said:
Quade green says hello
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And for every Quade Green who's career isn't up to his ranking, you have tens of top 25 kids who play like top 25 talents.

Because you can find an exception, and name them individually, that proves the rule.

Another example: Half of all players in the major leagues of baseball were first round draft picks... Does that mean the scouts made mistakes on the other half? Yes, maybe... But there are 35-40 (counting supplemental picks) first rounders and 500 other players drafted annually. Some of them are going to be better than their initial rankings, but don't bet on it.

The recruiting rankings in any given year will have a couple misses at the top, and some guys forgotten about will exceed, but don't ignore the rankings when you don't like what they say.

I for instance hate really funny like Lands shot or his game in general from his highlights. I am willing to except the experts who rank him highly know better than me. I feel the opposite about Copeland, thinking their ranks probably should be reversed... But I've seen minutes of footage of each, I would hope the pro talent evaluators have seen hours both on tape and live.
 
Niastri said:
And for every Quade Green who's career isn't up to his ranking, you have tens of top 25 kids who play like top 25 talents.

Because you can find an exception, and name them individually, that proves the rule.

Another example: Half of all players in the major leagues of baseball were first round draft picks... Does that mean the scouts made mistakes on the other half? Yes, maybe... But there are 35-40 (counting supplemental picks) first rounders and 500 other players drafted annually. Some of them are going to be better than their initial rankings, but don't bet on it.

The recruiting rankings in any given year will have a couple misses at the top, and some guys forgotten about will exceed, but don't ignore the rankings when you don't like what they say.

I for instance hate really funny like Lands shot or his game in general from his highlights. I am willing to except the experts who rank him highly know better than me. I feel the opposite about Copeland, thinking their ranks probably should be reversed... But I've seen minutes of footage of each, I would hope the pro talent evaluators have seen hours both on tape and live.
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I know what your saying it just works both ways. We should focus on scheme fits and guys who can become veterans. Luka Garza was better than any five star frosg
 
Niastri said:
And for every Quade Green who's career isn't up to his ranking, you have tens of top 25 kids who play like top 25 talents.

Because you can find an exception, and name them individually, that proves the rule.

Another example: Half of all players in the major leagues of baseball were first round draft picks... Does that mean the scouts made mistakes on the other half? Yes, maybe... But there are 35-40 (counting supplemental picks) first rounders and 500 other players drafted annually. Some of them are going to be better than their initial rankings, but don't bet on it.

The recruiting rankings in any given year will have a couple misses at the top, and some guys forgotten about will exceed, but don't ignore the rankings when you don't like what they say.

I for instance hate really funny like Lands shot or his game in general from his highlights. I am willing to except the experts who rank him highly know better than me. I feel the opposite about Copeland, thinking their ranks probably should be reversed... But I've seen minutes of footage of each, I would hope the pro talent evaluators have seen hours both on tape and live.
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Curious on baseball. Since only Americans are subject to the draft, are the other half a mix between foreign players, lower drafted and FA.
 
JoeSU said:
I don't believe there were recruiting services who awarded stars back then. However, it's fair to say that McNabb didn't have a ton of offers, and in fact, I seem to recall the Cornhuskers were recruiting McNabb to play Safety.
Maybe a better, contemporary example is Sean Tucker, whom one popular recruiting service (2-7) awarded 3 stars and the #58 RB in his class.
And since this is on the BB forum, an under-rated player who immediately comes to mind is Hakim Warrick, who I'm pretty sure was a 3 star recruit and a fall-back option after Julius Hodge spurned us.

So I would agree with Bill that the current recruiting service ratings are very subjective aren't always reliable in projecting future success.
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Warrick was a 4 Star and top 75-80ish by the time he was on campus. He was a three start when he committed but he shot up the ranking his senior year.
 
Capt. Tuttle said:
Curious on baseball. Since only Americans are subject to the draft, are the other half a mix between foreign players, lower drafted and FA.
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This is only of the players subject to the draft... International amateur free agents and other non draftees aren't counted.

The amazing thing is how bad the success rates are just on the guys outside the top 5...

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Quad it has signed.

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