Players skipping bowls

[djorange1989]

1) That's some spiteful, spiteful stuff.
2) Guys who declare after the season aren't going to class in the Spring Semester. They're working out. So who cares if their scholly gets pulled?


Players are commodities. They're treated as such by their coaches, recruiting sites, the media, fans, the schools, scouts, etc. Anything they can do to protect their value is within their interest. You can control what you can control, and playing in a meaningless game is something that can be controlled. Even if it's a "fluke" thing - a fluke doesn't happen to you if you don't let it.

Also, there isn't a system in place to help guys who hurt their draft stocks. And there never will be. Any kind of financial compensation for injuries incurred would acknowledge that players are employees. That's why this trend will rightfully continue.

Spiteful and stupid. The minute he started tossing cat references around I pretty much gave up

 

[djorange1989]

Spiteful? If I get paid to work to complete a project and I finish 95% of the project but don't finish it should I get paid the full amount? And you even pointed out that it doesn't matter because what I said is actually how it works since they aren't going to class anyway. I just didn't think that the college/university should be picking up the tab for spring if they've quit the team, and apparently they don't. I was NOT saying they should have to pay back the whole academic package from the beginning.

Also I don't feel that the player getting an insurance payout for an injury qualifies him as an employee. If it was workman's comp maybe but that's not what we're talking about.

If you think football is the real world then you are insane. Stop comparing it to your everyday job/someone else’s everyday job

 

[bcubs9497]

Personally think those of you upset about a player's leaving are bent simply because they won't help your team win its bowl. A position for which I think is horse !@#$@.

And, a player's decision in this matter shouldn't matter one way or the other as I doubt their leaving materially impacts you in any way, shape or form. If it does, then you have larger issues to work out.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Also I don't feel that the player getting an insurance payout for an injury qualifies him as an employee.

I feel statements are for marriages, not for carefully structured labor loopholes.

 

[Pyle]

I feel statements are for marriages, not for carefully structured labor loopholes.

Do you prefer IMHO? What labor loophole? I'm talking about the sort of policies that J-Lo puts out on her own a$$ for a million plus. They sign a contract to play for the school. The rest of this is noise that could be dealt with.

 

[Mayhem_OJ]

The fallacies tossed around in this thread are astounding.

The question isn't whether some random guy at a job would quit working if he won the lottery (though if he did without putting in appropriate notice and extending a number of other professional courtesies he'd be every bit the jackass Ed Oliver appears to be).

There are obvious difference between an at-will employee at a firm and a scholarship athlete who's made a commitment to a team. They're apparent to anyone who wants to have an honest conversation on the matter (rather than using this topic as ammunition in their personal bias against the NCAA and the sham of amateur athletics).

Those kids have every right to do whatever they want with their bodies and that scholarship that they worked hard to earn. Because as soon as they blow a knee or obtain some career ending injury all you'd have to say is its a pity. Hard to make that argument when you aren't in their shoes.

 

[Pyle]

Those kids have every right to do whatever they want with their bodies and that scholarship that they worked hard to earn. Because as soon as they blow a knee or obtain some career ending injury all you'd have to say is its a pity. Hard to make that argument when you aren't in their shoes.

I fixed it for you. The school has every right to do whatever they want with that scholarship if the kid quits the team before the end of the season.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Do you prefer IMHO? What labor loophole? I'm talking about the sort of policies that J-Lo puts out on her own a$$ for a million plus. They sign a contract to play for the school. The rest of this is noise that could be dealt with.

The reason the NCAA calls them "student-athletes" instead of "players" is to avoid paying workman's comp. That's what you are saying the players should get. The very thing you're calling for is the loophole I'm talking about.

 

[djorange1989]

I fixed it for you. The school has every right to do whatever they want with that scholarship if the kid quits the team before the end of the season.

I am sure you were this livid when Dino took over at Syracuse and didn't coach Bowling Green in their bowl game, right?

 

[bcubs9497]

I fixed it for you. The school has every right to do whatever they want with that scholarship if the kid quits the team before the end of the season. horse squeeze.

There, fixed it for you.

 

[Pyle]

The reason the NCAA calls them "student-athletes" instead of "players" is to avoid paying workman's comp. That's what you are saying the players should get. The very thing you're calling for is the loophole I'm talking about.

I never said the school is the one who should take out the policy. That's the difference. Workman's comp is paid by the employer. Think more like Aflac.

I am sure you were this livid when Dino took over at Syracuse and didn't coach Bowling Green in their bowl game, right?

Did Dino get paid his full contract amount for the year or was a buyout involved for him leaving early?

 

[Millhouse]

Yeah you play for free until you get hired. He's not getting hired any sooner by sitting out.

he's definitely not getting hired any sooner by getting hurt

 

[bcubs9497]

I fixed it for you. The school has every right to do whatever they want with that scholarship if the kid quits the team before the end of the season.

One other thing, speaking as a player's parent; upon learning that a school pulled that kind of crap, that school would immediately find its way onto my sht list.

 

[Pyle]

There, fixed it for you.

Nice intelligent response, thanks for jumping in.

 

[Pyle]

One other thing, speaking as a player's parent; upon learning that a school pulled that kind of crap, that school would immediately find its way onto my sht list.

So you think if your kid quits before the end of the season that the school should still pick up the tab for the full academic year? Players Parent huh? My dad taught me to finish what I start.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

I never said the school is the one who should take out the policy. That's the difference. Workman's comp is paid by the employer. Think more like Aflac.

Yeah, and most of these guys are broke. Who's going to pay the monthly installments? It worked for Marcus Lattimore, but that's an exception to the rule.

Also, why should a player risk future earnings for a meaningless game if he has to pay for it? It's free to sit out the game.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

My dad taught me to finish what I start.

My dad taught me how to do a cost-benefit analysis.

 

[djorange1989]

I never said the school is the one who should take out the policy. That's the difference. Workman's comp is paid by the employer. Think more like Aflac.



Did Dino get paid his full contract amount for the year or was a buyout involved for him leaving early?

he was bought out of his contract, I am sure he was paid for the full 2015 season by Bowling Green. Let's put a buyout in the scholarships of the players!