Portal is a sheet show

[FloridaCuse]

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Root for the team, not the individual. Syr football is also an incredible bargain at the p4 level. Still high level college football and the only top tier program in the state. Need loyal folks like you to stay part of the crew! Get it's tough without identifying the kids, but you can still rep the program.

Hard to root for the team when we have shifted focus from a communal aspect of college sports to a corporate like one. That isn't a SU thing but a college football thing. Schools no longer provide the collegiate feel but a professional one.

It really isn't a bargain. Our ticket prices are not low for ACC FB and given demand even more out of line. We are typically only 90% full for games. Concession prices are insane and parking is not cheap.

We seem to be taking more of a Yankees approach to games. It is ok if there are a ton of empty seats since we over price the seats of the people who show up and kill them on overpriced concessions. Oh and during TV timeouts we bombard them with commercialization.

It isn't college FB anymore. Again not an SU problem, but certainly a factor in wanting to actually show up.

 

[SUinNWE]

Hard to root for the team when we have shifted focus from a communal aspect of college sports to a corporate like one. That isn't a SU thing but a college football thing. Schools no longer provide the collegiate feel but a professional one.

It really isn't a bargain. Our ticket prices are not low for ACC FB and given demand even more out of line. We are typically only 90% full for games. Concession prices are insane and parking is not cheap.

We seem to be taking more of a Yankees approach to games. It is ok if there are a ton of empty seats since we over price the seats of the people who show up and kill them on overpriced concessions. Oh and during TV timeouts we bombard them with commercialization.

It isn't college FB anymore. Again not an SU problem, but certainly a factor in wanting to actually show up.

After going to a number of games in the last last 3 or 4 years, the amount commercial timeouts is insane. It makes the in game experience terrible. It feels significantly worse since like 2018 or 2019. It's tipping the scales towards staying home.

 

[DuxburyO]

I watched the IU game on a 4k channel from FIOS. No commercials just a view from one of the end zones during TV timeouts. It really highlighted how much down time in the live action for the fans at the game. I preferred the no commercials but it seemed unfair to the fans who actually attended the game.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Local news says we've had 27 guys enter the portal so far. That's 1/3 of the roster.
That's on top of 23 guys the year before.
I'm sorry, but that's too many.

The last couple years, we've found maybe 6-10 difference makers / two-deep level players each year. That's not enough. We need like 15 difference makers when the portal opens, and even then, we will not have very much depth.

You're obviously right in all you say here but there is a bit more to it.

Suppose the real litmus test is where those 23 from last year ended up and how they performed as it will be again with this year's outgoing portal churn. I'm not sure there's a consolidated source for said info but may well be a moneymaker if created.

If we lose 50 players, gain 10 difference makers, but only lose 6 difference makers, it's still a net positive. I'm not sure how many players that left did, or did not produce the following season or would have made us better by staying aside from Maraad Watson honestly. If Gill does leave he'll be another but a lot of outgoing names otherwise don't really tip the needle. Leon Lowry would have been a nice complimentary piece perhaps had he stayed. Jatius Geer would have been nice to have last year but didn't light the world on fire at USC. It's a weird one honestly.

End game we need more elite players to be worried about losing in the first place.

 

[pacusewife]

Part of the appeal to college ball to me was watching these young men develop Orange, follow their NFL/whatever careers after, and shed a tear like a proud mama.

Pena broke my heart, especially after getting to know his mom a bit.

 

[cusefan88]

After going to a number of games in the last last 3 or 4 years, the amount commercial timeouts is insane. It makes the in game experience terrible. It feels significantly worse since like 2018 or 2019. It's tipping the scales towards staying home.

Unfortunately as the TV contracts grew the timeouts needed for commercials increased too. Less money will mean less timeouts if that ever happens in the future.

 

[Cheriehoop]

You're obviously right in all you say here but there is a bit more to it.

Suppose the real litmus test is where those 23 from last year ended up and how they performed as it will be again with this year's outgoing portal churn. I'm not sure there's a consolidated source for said info but may well be a moneymaker if created.

If we lose 50 players, gain 10 difference makers, but only lose 6 difference makers, it's still a net positive. I'm not sure how many players that left did, or did not produce the following season or would have made us better by staying aside from Maraad Watson honestly. If Gill does leave he'll be another but a lot of outgoing names otherwise don't really tip the needle. Leon Lowry would have been a nice complimentary piece perhaps had he stayed. Jatius Geer would have been nice to have last year but didn't light the world on fire at USC. It's a weird one honestly.

End game we need more elite players to be worried about losing in the first place.

Doesn’t each program have a system, a unique playbook etc that prepares players to understand how they play, communicate etc within their football program? Wouldn’t theoretically transfer players be behind current players who know and hopefully understand the system? With so many portal players being depended upon so much (not just at SU) would systems have to become more simple, less complex, more vanilla to help the transition of having plug n players? I’m far from a football expert so sorry if these are dumb questions.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Unfortunately as the TV contracts grew the timeouts needed for commercials increased too. Less money will mean less timeouts if that ever happens in the future.

NFL TV contracts are bigger and their TV TOs are shorter.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Doesn’t each program have a system, a unique playbook etc that prepares players to understand how they play, communicate etc within their football program? Wouldn’t theoretically transfer players be behind current players who know and hopefully understand the system? With so many portal players being depended upon so much (not just at SU) would systems have to become more simple, less complex, more vanilla to help the transition of having plug n players? I’m far from a football expert so sorry if these are dumb questions.

Not dumb questions at all and theoretically yes it's more difficult BUT if you've ever learned a playbook prior a lot of the knowledge translates just with different terminology. Playbooks look a lot more difficult than they are, just need baseline knowledge to begin.

The amount of players who have gotten by on raw talent and never properly studied a playbook or watched film is a lot higher than youd think though. As a recruiting coach, there's no way to know that prior to have them trying to learn yours. NFL draftee interviews expose a lot of that post college and guys plummet as result.

 

[IthacaMatt]

You're obviously right in all you say here but there is a bit more to it.

Suppose the real litmus test is where those 23 from last year ended up and how they performed as it will be again with this year's outgoing portal churn. I'm not sure there's a consolidated source for said info but may well be a moneymaker if created.

If we lose 50 players, gain 10 difference makers, but only lose 6 difference makers, it's still a net positive. I'm not sure how many players that left did, or did not produce the following season or would have made us better by staying aside from Maraad Watson honestly. If Gill does leave he'll be another but a lot of outgoing names otherwise don't really tip the needle. Leon Lowry would have been a nice complimentary piece perhaps had he stayed. Jatius Geer would have been nice to have last year but didn't light the world on fire at USC. It's a weird one honestly.

End game we need more elite players to be worried about losing in the first place.

Your point is valid - that many of those guys were not (yet ...) contributors. But if we are a team that has to develop talent because we can't afford to shop at the top end of the market, then you have to keep more of those guys. They might not have contributed yet, but those are the guys you are hoping to coach up into starters by their 2nd or 3rd seasons. Just as they're getting good, they leave.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Not dumb questions at all and theoretically yes it's more difficult BUT if you've ever learned a playbook prior a lot of the knowledge translates just with different terminology. Playbooks look a lot more difficult than they are, just need baseline knowledge to begin.

The amount of players who have gotten by on raw talent and never properly studied a playbook or watched film is a lot higher than youd think though. As a recruiting coach, there's no way to know that prior to have them trying to learn yours. NFL draftee interviews expose a lot of that post college and guys plummet as result.

Sorry, but this is an exaggeration. You cannot play football if you don't know what you're supposed to do on a particular play call. You don't just "wing it". Everybody knows the plays, or else they don't play.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Sorry, but this is an exaggeration. You cannot play football if you don't know what you're supposed to do on a particular play call. You don't just "wing it". Everybody knows the plays, or else they don't play.

I mean, Cook didn't always know the plays.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Sorry, but this is an exaggeration. You cannot play football if you don't know what you're supposed to do on a particular play call. You don't just "wing it". Everybody knows the plays, or else they don't play.

This 100% isn't true. Stud athletes get by until they run into other stud athletes that studied the game humble them. Calvin Russell could likely just run go routes every play if he played in Rhode Island. Who's going to stop him? That's why Florida, Texas, etc. kids are a more sure bet. They have lots of other athletes to take their place vs unicorn athletes in lessor recruited states.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Your point is valid - that many of those guys were not (yet ...) contributors. But if we are a team that has to develop talent because we can't afford to shop at the top end of the market, then you have to keep more of those guys. They might not have contributed yet, but those are the guys you are hoping to coach up into starters by their 2nd or 3rd seasons. Just as they're getting good, they leave.

Right but what % of kids that have left have gotten good? That was the ask of which I don't have the answer.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Right but what % of kids that have left have gotten good? That was the ask of which I don't have the answer.

People say the same thing about our basketball transfers. But that's ignoring that transfers have to start over socially, and a pecking order already exists at the school they are going to. There is acclimatization that has to take place.

Before the floodgates opened these past couple years, making massive transferring more the norm, it used to be that guys switching schools were maybe viewed as carpetbaggers by the veterans at their new schools. That has something to do with it. Starting over at a new school is not a seamless transition.

 

[IthacaMatt]

This 100% isn't true. Stud athletes get by until they run into other stud athletes that studied the game humble them. Calvin Russell could likely just run go routes every play if he played in Rhode Island. Who's going to stop him? That's why Florida, Texas, etc. kids are a more sure bet. They have lots of other athletes to take their place vs unicorn athletes in lessor recruited states.

Hard disagree. You can't play on offense, for certain, without knowing the plays. Linemen don't know who to block, whether to pull, etc. Running backs don't know which hole to hit, receivers don't know what routes to run. Sure, some of this stuff is making reads in real time, but you have to know the plays. Period.

Maybe you can just be a maniac and kind of still function on defense, but if you don't know your assignment, that leads to blown coverage and a big play for the opposition.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I mean, Cook didn't always know the plays.

Well, then these coaches are much worse than I thought.

 

[Ringostar57]

Let the Meat Market begin!

 

[ImperialOrange]

Hard disagree. You can't play on offense, for certain, without knowing the plays. Linemen don't know who to block, whether to pull, etc. Running backs don't know which hole to hit, receivers don't know what routes to run. Sure, some of this stuff is making reads in real time, but you have to know the plays. Period.

Maybe you can just be a maniac and kind of still function on defense, but if you don't know your assignment, that leads to blown coverage and a big play for the opposition.

And yet our offensive line this year let defenders run free, RBs missed holes, and some WRs didn't know where to line up or which routes to run...

I'm just letting you know what my lived experience is honestly. Maybe yours is different but I've played with guys that never looked at their playbooks. Others will simply direct them or they freelance, especially on defense, as you stated.

 

[IthacaMatt]

And yet our offensive line this year let defenders run free, RBs missed holes, and some WRs didn't know where to line up or which routes to run...

I'm just letting you know what my lived experience is honestly. Maybe yours is different but I've played with guys that never looked at their playbooks. Others will simply direct them or they freelance, especially on defense, as you stated.

I played for 5 years - yes it was only high school and middle school - but if not knowing the plays is why we were so bad last year, then fire them all.

Even if you don't read the playbook, you need to know what you're supposed to do on every play. Sure, some guys learn by doing. But when you have a whole new team in camp, that results in a terrible team.

 

[jr4750]

Anyone know if schools need to graduate a certain percentage of players to stay post season eligible anymore? Seems like that is impossible now.

 

[CuseFan]

1971 transfers in the portal already per ON3. What's the over / under? 3000?

 

[orangemass]

1971 transfers in the portal already per ON3. What's the over / under? 3000?

Time to go to poundtown

 

[ImperialOrange]

I played for 5 years - yes it was only high school and middle school - but if not knowing the plays is why we were so bad last year, then fire them all.

Even if you don't read the playbook, you need to know what you're supposed to do on every play. Sure, some guys learn by doing. But when you have a whole new team in camp, that results in a terrible team.

We fired half of them. I was on the side of the offensive half being worse but it's tough to defend either after 3-9.

Plus side is we got some really great coaches in... above what I thought we would. If the staff we have now cannot compete on at least one side of the ball, if not both, you and I should probably stick to epl and figuring out if Liverpool or Chelsea are more underwhelming this season.

I respect you as a poster and a person, have done for well over a decade at this point. We've just had different lived experiences regarding playbooks, players knowing assignments, etc. I didn't play past HS either but certainly had a bunch in the locker room that did 0 prep but played due to size, speed, nepotism, or ability. Hopefully Cuse gets the depth that lazy players can be sat but we sure aren't there yet. Being smart and dedicated alone doesn't win ACC games if you're a 6'1 280 OL or a 4.8 WR or RB.