PS article very telling

[kcsu]

Im sure most of you read the PS article about our game plan for SF that i just finished. I found it very telling and most indicative of what is wrong with our O. In short we are delusional about our strengths. Doug actually said that it was his plan to pound the ball, wear them down, and take the game in the fourth quarter. I realize that SF has had some late stuggles still what game this year has led Doug to believe we can Pound the Rock? Was it our stellar running day against LV? Was it how we ran all over UCONN? How about our success running the ball down RI throat. Or the great success we have had running the ball on short yardage third and fourth downs? No it is a stubborness that lends itself to discipline and building character. Not to creating solid game plans. Doug needs to turn this O over to someone other than himself. Im sorry but if you have a chance to know him he is stubborn to a fault. He want this team to be a running team. Why i have no idea, but he does and dammit we are going to be a running team. Stubborn, Foolish, you name it not very smart. We are a team that needs to pass to set up the run. Our success this year has come when we have done that. Unfortunately in all but on instance which was WV our success came as a result of being behind and being forced to change. Not because of great game planning. Vent over!

 

[longislandcuse]

The last 3 game plans. All ridiculed by fans BEFORE the game. All massive failures.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

stubburn to a fault, sounds like another SU coach I knew a few years back...

 

[orangepassion]

I believe that is our game plan every game until we fall behind. That is the reason we almost always fall behind, unless we can overwhelm the opposing D, which has happened once against a 3-3-5 defense. We usually then go to the other extreme in the middle of the 2nd quarter.

I feel like our game plan is built for an Alabama Offensive line and a true Freshman QB. Most games when we have let Nassib roll out and given him a chance to play, he's played well. The problem is we basically concede the 1st quarter of every game and make Nassib throw 3rd and 8 every series when the other team knows we have to and blitzes the heck out of us. e need more 10-yard passes on 1st and 2nd down. We're either run or 50-yard pass.

 

[Cuseman78]

As good as the game-planning was last year, its been equally as bad this year. Last year after reading the Monday morning Rahme recap article, it seemed like we always made the right move, found the opponent's weakness, etc. This year, its been the same script over and over. Establish the run in the 1st quarter, get behind by 10 points and then try to catch up. The coaching staff has not done a very good job this year, period.

 

[Millhouse]

As good as the game-planning was last year, its been equally as bad this year. Last year after reading the Monday morning Rahme recap article, it seemed like we always made the right move, found the opponent's weakness, etc. This year, its been the same script over and over. Establish the run in the 1st quarter, get behind by 10 points and then try to catch up. The coaching staff has not done a very good job this year, period.

i suspect it might change now that lemon has emerged and nassib had a good game. i'm convinced that they were so frustrated with nassib that they just put all their chips on the WVU and K state approach. part of them might look at the giants they have on o line. my guess is that they look at tiller and think we should jsut be able to run behind him all day they know the line has it in them to pound people (wvu, k state) but they just don't .

lemon's speed on his long touchdown was surprising. little bright spot

 

[MaxwellCuse]

The game plan might well have worked with DC3 carrying the ball. Doug needs to accept the fact that Antwon Bailey is not interchangeable with Delone.

 

[qdawgg]

Watching the game against S.Fla it's amazing the "feel" of the offense when we're throwing the ball compared to running it. When we try to pound it, it's always a surprise when we get a first down. When we are throwing the ball we get down the field - we don't always score but we're moving the ball. Even w/o the scoring at times changes the field position, sets up the bigger runs, and gives the defense a break.

 

[orangenirvana]

Rahme's job has been pretty easy lately. All he has to do is use the Replace function to swap out the opposing team and players names.

I have a funny feeling the headline of the article in two weeks will be "Syracuse University football team's plan to wear down Cincinnati wore out early."

 

[longislandcuse]

We're running Stanfords offense without Stanfords offensive line, quarteback and running game. Recievers and tight ends are about the same, thats it.

How I long for a college offense. The spread evens the playing field when you lack talent. NFL systems expose it.

 

[orangenirvana]

i suspect it might change now that lemon has emerged and nassib had a good game. i'm convinced that they were so frustrated with nassib that they just put all their chips on the WVU and K state approach. part of them might look at the giants they have on o line. my guess is that they look at tiller and think we should jsut be able to run behind him all day they know the line has it in them to pound people (wvu, k state) but they just don't .

lemon's speed on his long touchdown was surprising. little bright spot

I'm guessing it's been a very frustrating season for our friend Arundel.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

We're running Stanfords offense without Stanfords offensive line, quarteback and running game. Recievers and tight ends are about the same, thats it.

How I long for a college offense. The spread evens the playing field when you lack talent. NFL systems expose it.

Tight Ends the same? Far from it. Stanfors has 2 maybe 3 NFL tight ends.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I'm guessing it's been a very frustrating season for our friend Arundel.

Can't separate?? :bang:

 

[longislandcuse]

Tight Ends the same? Far from it. Stanfors has 2 maybe 3 NFL tight ends.

I think Provo is pretty good. Just trying to find something positive to compare because the reciever comparison is not a compliment. Ours are terrible and theres are the worst.

 

[kingottoiii]

As good as the game-planning was last year, its been equally as bad this year. Last year after reading the Monday morning Rahme recap article, it seemed like we always made the right move, found the opponent's weakness, etc. This year, its been the same script over and over. Establish the run in the 1st quarter, get behind by 10 points and then try to catch up. The coaching staff has not done a very good job this year, period.

This is the strange thing. His first two years I liked pretty much every game plan. I felt confident that we would out coach our opponents and we just need an upgrade in talent. However this year has been a mess. Nine out of 10 games made little to no sense. We have been out coached by mediocre at best HCs this year. That worries the hell out of me. Coaches have bad games but an entire bad season?

 

[stuckinbig11]

I'm guessing it's been a very frustrating season for our friend Arundel.

Alec has played very well this season; they just have not used him enough. That is my frustration.

 

[OttoForLife]

This is the strange thing. His first two years I liked pretty much every game plan. I felt confident that we would out coach our opponents and we just need an upgrade in talent. However this year has been a mess. Nine out of 10 games made little to no sense. We have been out coached by mediocre at best HCs this year. That worries the hell out of me. Coaches have bad games but an entire bad season?

Good post. This is what both worries me, yet give me optimism.

Clearly, Dougy Bear has shown flashes of being able to out coach usual suspects that wind up on our schedule. I'm holding out hope he finds some of that magic again...particularly in 12 days.

However, when you think about what's changed in the last 2 months or so, you've got to figure being stubborn is a part of the problem. Not seeing the in-game nor week-to-week adjustments coaching staffs need to make to be successful.

Sure, we have some talent and depth issues, but we should be more competitive vs. the Big East at this point.

Let's hope Doug either loosens up or comes around so this year isn't a total disaster. Because, in reality, if we make and win a bowl this year, it will be VERY hard to nit pick the job he has done here in 18 months.

 

[Scooch]

I don't even understand what Marrone is trying to do at this point. So our strategy was a power running game and "quick" passing game (whatever the hell that is) and then we were to spread it out in the red zone keying on Lemon. Huh? We are soooo overthinking things, IMHO. IF we were actually having success with a power running game why wouldn't we just pound the damn ball all the way into the end zone? Why do we need to wait 'til we're in the red zone to spread things out? If we expect it to work then, why not spread things out before we get into the red zone too? And my God, we haven't done ANYTHING "quick" this year unless we're trailing by 2 TD's. I guess he meant "short", and yes, we've done a -ton of that, typically to no real success.

I'm not an Xs and Os guy. I really try to stay far away from the predictable "the play calling is the suck!!1!!1!!" threads. I care only about the results. And let's be clear, our results the past 3 games have been horrendous. 16 points per game = putrid. Not all of that is scheme or playcalling, executionally we've left a lot of points on the field. But whatever we're doing ain't working.

 

[Upstate]

Anyone know the last time they threw to bailey on a swing or screen? I seem to remember him taking a few of those in for a TD last year, namely vs. Cincy.

 

[kingottoiii]

I don't even understand what Marrone is trying to do at this point. So our strategy was a power running game and "quick" passing game (whatever the hell that is) and then we were to spread it out in the red zone keying on Lemon. Huh? We are soooo overthinking things, IMHO. IF we were actually having success with a power running game why wouldn't we just pound the damn ball all the way into the end zone? Why do we need to wait 'til we're in the red zone to spread things out? If we expect it to work then, why not spread things out before we get into the red zone too? And my God, we haven't done ANYTHING "quick" this year unless we're trailing by 2 TD's. I guess he meant "short", and yes, we've done a -ton of that, typically to no real success.

I'm not an Xs and Os guy. I really try to stay far away from the predictable "the play calling is the suck!!1!!1!!" threads. I care only about the results. And let's be clear, our results the past 3 games have been horrendous. 16 points per game = putrid. Not all of that is scheme or playcalling, executionally we've left a lot of points on the field. But whatever we're doing ain't working.

I think that may very well be the issue. He may be simply over thinking things. Most coaches in the BE are bozos. Yet he is trying to plan for playing Saban.

 

[Scooch]

I think that may very well be the issue. He may be simply over thinking things. Most coaches in the BE are bozos. Yet he is trying to plan for playing Saban.

I mean Marrone mentioned that this was USF's 2nd straight road trip. Really? REALLY?! We're gameplanning around the expectation that the opponent will be tired from a flight?

I know, I know, he also mentioned USF's 4th quarter collapses too. It seems crazy to me to try and plan for your opponent collapsing, instead of, you know, trying to actually score lots of points in the first 3 quarters.

I just friggin' HATE the "we'll set 'em up" mentality. Just try to win at all times when you're playing crappy teams like USF. It really is an NFL approach... EXTEND THE GAME!

Ugh.

 

[longislandcuse]

Hackett-"We have to run it down their throats"

Opposing DC "Ok, listen up guys, we gotta stop the run"

Marrone"They prob think that since we said that, that we will try to run...ill show them, quick passes and qb rollouts!"

Marrone 15 min later "They prob think im going to think they will try to stop the run so I will pass, haha, ill show them...were gonna run it down their throats"
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8 minutes left in the 2nd quarter Team X 17, Syracuse 3.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Hackett-"We have to run it down their throats"

Opposing DC "Ok, listen up guys, we gotta stop the run"

Marrone"They prob think that since we said that, that we will try to run...ill show them, quick passes and qb rollouts!"

Marrone 15 min later "They prob think im going to think they will try to stop the run so I will pass, haha, ill show them...were gonna run it down their throats"
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8 minutes left in the 2nd quarter Team X 17, Syracuse 3.

Again, establish your offensive identity and build around it. Get your players the reps, repetition. Make average players great in one area. It's what good coahes do. Being tough? That goes without saying. Average lineman can become great at pass blocking, flexbone, average wide receivers can play faster when they have a scheme BURNED in their brains. Listen to any coach who has had sucess at this level, they will will all tell you the same thing. Johnson, Rich Rod, Leach C Kelly.. All these guys have coachedwith less talent at some point and won a lot of games, especially Leach and Johnson. Kelly at UNH as the O coordinator. Bellotti just found a coordinator that was too good and they ran him out, LOL

You want and NFL scheme, go recruit NFL talent

 

[Millhouse]

This is the strange thing. His first two years I liked pretty much every game plan. I felt confident that we would out coach our opponents and we just need an upgrade in talent. However this year has been a mess. Nine out of 10 games made little to no sense. We have been out coached by mediocre at best HCs this year. That worries the hell out of me. Coaches have bad games but an entire bad season?

what's the difference between last year's game plans and this year's game plans?

both years it's we need to run the ball, shorten the game, and hope we don't fall behind

game plan talk is only interesting when it changes.

it just happened to work last year because the defense was more talented.

 

[OrangeMojo]

Hackett-"We have to run it down their throats"

Opposing DC "Ok, listen up guys, we gotta stop the run"

Marrone"They prob think that since we said that, that we will try to run...ill show them, quick passes and qb rollouts!"

Marrone 15 min later "They prob think im going to think they will try to stop the run so I will pass, haha, ill show them...were gonna run it down their throats"
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8 minutes left in the 2nd quarter Team X 17, Syracuse 3.

that's what it seemed like Friday night - SU said we need to run it down their throats, so seemed on the first SU play from scrimmage USF was looking for a pass and SU had a 9 yd run. Then SU goes into the stupid full backfield run formation, USF knows they're actually going to try to run it down our throats and proceeds to stuff SU on both plays for a sweet 3 and out to start the game. Then another ST failure on the punt and SU is right in an immediate hole. :bang: