PS article very telling

[KevMonstah]

I'd tweeted this during the game that you had Bailey not Carter running up the middle
while Ameen-Moore rots (a separate issue), but it also occurred to me that even with
Carter's much bigger size, he was still running behind Ryan Bartholomew at C, who
was around 300 lbs, instead of Macky MacPherson, listed at 269 (sure). That is a
substantial difference and would have a significant impact on the runs up the middle.

Kev

 

[OrangeMojo]

Sure, but you are guilty of wishful thinking if you just assume an aerial circus would have produced a better result, without considering what this team has as strengths or flaws. Nassib put it up 46 times against South Florida for 297 yds -- lots of passing attempts, but he was also 50% in completion percentage and all that passing did not put up many points.
So, the fall-back argument is usually that Marrone should have gone pass-first in the first two series, and of course, that would have changed the complexion of the game. Can't prove or disprove that. What we know is that a balanced attack, with lots of running, beat West Virginia; and we know that incomplete passing against UConn stalled the drives in the fourth quarter.
I do agree, though, with trying some different things -- like Marrone did at the end of his first season, ditching the bubble screens, then using Bailey as a wing back, and running counters off the threat of Carter up the middle. What you try needs to be grounded on what your players can actually do -- we don't have Carter to get 5 yards off-guard, but we also don't have Mike Williams to beat coverage.

I'm not assuming anything - I simply want to see something other than this grind it out, shorten the game and get em at the end crap - it's simply not working when the opponent isn't a Tulane level opponent.

Come out on the first series with 4 receivers and run a freakin 2 minute drill - I don't care what it is, but do something different.

 

[Chip]

It all comes from not believing in the passing game. Hethinks Bailey is the relative strength of the offense, he's not concerned about macpherson and he still doesn't believe in Nassib. Losing a lot on D doesn't factor in - it's not like the offense was terrible last year on purpose.

the people who think nassib's good are going to hate his game plan.

as for me, i'm just hoping we don't have another year of it.

I think he has no faith that Nassib can complete the bomb, nor should he, because he never does. But I think that's the extent of it. I would say he believes Nassib can complete any other pass in the playbook. We would have had 28 points early in the 4th quarter against USF if guys were catching the ball.

I think Marrone is more worried that the pass rush would destroy us if we didn't use play action to back them off. To me, that's why every deep pass is off play action, because it's slowing down the pass rush just a bit to let the play develop. He's still just hoping we can hit one because it could make a big difference in the game.

Personally I think our gameplans seem to change too much each week. But I'm not a football coach, so I know it's not really for me to say (but I have an internet connection so too bad). Figure out what you are good doing on offense and spend more time doing that. Use creative playcalling to make sure you're not overly predictable.

 

[SoBristol]

So, this (Nassib's touch on long passes or even throwing a highly catchable ball on short passes; & how well our receivers catch the ball) is part of the equation. Graham has come a long way as a receiver, but he isn't going to catch every ball. Wales -- mainly a blocking TE. Chew and others -- you can see whether they get separation or not (they don't for the most part). You are always going to have drops on some of those "catchable" balls -- for example, the throw to Lemon in the end zone where he was extended and sandwiched between defenders. Catchable, but difficult.
I am all for adding new things to the offense. But if there were a silver bullet in throwing on first down in the first series, Marrone would have gone there long ago. As a philosophy, he doesn't want Nassib to be in second & long or third & long and getting pressured every time he drops back.
I get the frustration ("OK, try something else that works") . . .

 

[timkay99]

We're running Stanfords offense without Stanfords offensive line, quarteback and running game. Recievers and tight ends are about the same, thats it.

How I long for a college offense. The spread evens the playing field when you lack talent. NFL systems expose it.

False.

Stanford WR's run circles aronud Syracuse
Staford TE's run circle around Syracuse - They actually get consistent YAC yards.

 

[OrangeAl]

Yup. This is why I've stopped watching the games. We don't play to seize the moment. It's always about later, and not surprisingly, once later comes we're out of it.

You don't watch the games?
Isn't that what fans do?
Come back when you start doing your job!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You don't watch the games?
Isn't that what fans do?
Come back when you start doing your job!

I'm more than a fan. I'm a sophisticated consumer.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'm more than a fan. I'm a sophisticated consumer.

You're a bandwagoneer. You only poke your head out of the ground when the team is winning or "exciting", and you lose interest otherwise.

That's not the definition of a fan.

Maybe you'll try again next August. Unless the product isn't to your liking. Then you'll disappear again.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You're a bandwagoneer. You only poke your head out of the ground when the team is winning or "exciting", and you lose interest otherwise.

That's not the definition of a fan.

Maybe you'll try again next August. Unless the product isn't to your liking. Then you'll disappear again.

Your post is inaccurate.

 

[Cuseman78]

Your post is inaccurate.

Do you mind explaining how its inaccurate? If you really don't watch the games, I'm not sure why anyone should take your posts credibly. Isn't that kind of why we're all here? I find it hard to believe that a true fan doesn't make the effort to watch 3 hours of Syracuse football 12 times a year. I find that strange.

 

[orangepassion]

I think he has no faith that Nassib can complete the bomb, nor should he, because he never does. But I think that's the extent of it. I would say he believes Nassib can complete any other pass in the playbook. We would have had 28 points early in the 4th quarter against USF if guys were catching the ball.

Who says anything about a bomb-How about an 8-yard pass on 1st or 2nd down? Why does it have to be all or nothing?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Do you mind explaining how its inaccurate? If you really don't watch the games, I'm not sure why anyone should take your posts credibly. Isn't that kind of why we're all here? I find it hard to believe that a true fan doesn't make the effort to watch 3 hours of Syracuse football 12 times a year. I find that strange.

Stranger still ... he can't find 3 hours to watch his team play, but he's got plenty of time to complain about the team and tell people that he's not watching anymore games this year.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Do you mind explaining how its inaccurate? If you really don't watch the games, I'm not sure why anyone should take your posts credibly. Isn't that kind of why we're all here? I find it hard to believe that a true fan doesn't make the effort to watch 3 hours of Syracuse football 12 times a year. I find that strange.

A couple of things. Whether people choose to believe it, being a Syracuse fan is part of my identity. Labeling me as a bandwagon fan for football is inaccurate, because even though I now refuse to watch the games (at least in their entirety, I always get sucked in a little bit and end up pouring over the game stories, box score and play-by-play) I haven't ever stopped caring. I care a lot. I haven't ever disappeared.

I've stopped watching for a few reasons. The first is because football should be fun. It's been a very long time since football has been fun for us, and really, between GRob's incompetence and Marrone's lack of entertainment I can't take it anymore. I work pretty long hours. My wife and I have a 4 month old son, and he's awesome. If I'm going to dedicate 3 or 4 hours on a weekend to something that pretty much serves only me, it has to be a great time. Even when we win more often than not I end up feeling so frustrated and discouraged that I'm in a worse state than when I started watching. That's probably not healthy, so now I find it's much better if I catch snippets of games from teams with aesthetic styles on a Saturday. Being a fan is a self-serving experience. I realize some of you think that there's some other, more noble higher purpose to your fandom, but you're lying to yourself if you claim that you're a fan for anyone but yourself (I'm using the royal you here). I've recently come to the realization that people need more than just laundry to root for. They need their fandom to be a bright spot in their life. It's not a bright spot to me anymore, GRob weakened me and Marrone is pretty much finishing me off, so I'm not willing to make the time for Syracuse football.

The part that is sick and twisted though is that I still care, and that's why I post. I want my fandom to be fun. Watching games is not anymore, but coming on here during my work day to shoot the breeze about Syracuse football, that is.

It's funny you mention credibility. I never claim to be credible. In fact, at times I go out of my way to point out that I'm not a credible source, have no insider info, am the Thickburger guy, yadda yadda yadda. But what does bother me is how quickly some people dismiss some of what I and others try to contribute to the discussion, without really reading what is written. If I have any credibility hopefully it comes from writing what should clearly be thoughtful posts, even if a lot of people disagree with the ideas.

One last thing that I think a lot of people on this board need to realize - there are a lot of people that feel like I do, and they're pretty easy to win back. They want to be won back. But you need to remember that you've lost them once people start talking about how they should behave, or placing expectations on them, or demanding things from them. You want to win them back, make it fun. Coach is great at making it fun for the people that can go to luncheons and for alumni reportedly, but he can't meet with everyone face to face. Coach needs to get better at making it fun to watch his team play, because the vast majority of people are only ever going to interact with the program through the bleachers or their tv. That fan needs a voice, and our program needs that fan. I know some people don't like it, but I do sometimes kinda feel like I can provide that voice because I do have access to the forum where some people that can encourage change also happen to be. Most of those fans don't go as far as I do to seek out a fun outlet for the sport, so you get me posting for better or worse.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

A couple of things. Whether people choose to believe it, being a Syracuse fan is part of my identity. Labeling me as a bandwagon fan for football is inaccurate, because even though I now refuse to watch the games (at least in their entirety, I always get sucked in a little bit and end up pouring over the game stories, box score and play-by-play) I haven't ever stopped caring. I care a lot. I haven't ever disappeared.

I've stopped watching for a few reasons. The first is because football should be fun. It's been a very long time since football has been fun for us, and really, between GRob's incompetence and Marrone's lack of entertainment I can't take it anymore. I work pretty long hours. My wife and I have a 4 month old son, and he's awesome. If I'm going to dedicate 3 or 4 hours on a weekend to something that pretty much serves only me, it has to be a great time. Even when we win more often than not I end up feeling so frustrated and discouraged that I'm in a worse state than when I started watching. That's probably not healthy, so now I find it's much better if I catch snippets of games from teams with aesthetic styles on a Saturday. Being a fan is a self-serving experience. I realize some of you think that there's some other, more noble higher purpose to your fandom, but you're lying to yourself if you claim that you're a fan for anyone but yourself (I'm using the royal you here). I've recently come to the realization that people need more than just laundry to root for. They need their fandom to be a bright spot in their life. It's not a bright spot to me anymore, GRob weakened me and Marrone is pretty much finishing me off, so I'm not willing to make the time for Syracuse football.

The part that is sick and twisted though is that I still care, and that's why I post. I want my fandom to be fun. Watching games is not anymore, but coming on here during my work day to shoot the breeze about Syracuse football, that is.

It's funny you mention credibility. I never claim to be credible. In fact, at times I go out of my way to point out that I'm not a credible source, have no insider info, am the Thickburger guy, yadda yadda yadda. But what does bother me is how quickly some people dismiss some of what I and others try to contribute to the discussion, without really reading what is written. If I have any credibility hopefully it comes from writing what should clearly be thoughtful posts, even if a lot of people disagree with the ideas.

One last thing that I think a lot of people on this board need to realize - there are a lot of people that feel like I do, and they're pretty easy to win back. They want to be won back. But you need to remember that you've lost them once people start talking about how they should behave, or placing expectations on them, or demanding things from them. You want to win them back, make it fun. Coach is great at making it fun for the people that can go to luncheons and for alumni reportedly, but he can't meet with everyone face to face. Coach needs to get better at making it fun to watch his team play, because the vast majority of people are only ever going to interact with the program through the bleachers or their tv. That fan needs a voice, and our program needs that fan. I know some people don't like it, but I do sometimes kinda feel like I can provide that voice because I do have access to the forum where some people that can encourage change also happen to be. Most of those fans don't go as far as I do to seek out a fun outlet for the sport, so you get me posting for better or worse.

Good Post, Kind of the way I was during the GROB era, I still went to the games and watched them but the part of being more pissed off at the end of the game leaves one asking themselves is it really worth it. I got to that point after the UCONN game and I didn't go to the USF game as I have other committments but when I saw the game on TV I was nowhere near as pissed as I would have been if I went.. Still pissed but pretty much expected it. This team has really played poorly all year minus 1 game. They have played one really good game out of 10, that is not good in year 3 of a coaching regime, not good at all no matter how anyone tries to spin it. I have kept my seasons and actually upped my donations since Marrone and will probaly continue to do so because at the end of the day the program needs it and I love the program but I agree watching Syracuse football other than a few snippets per season is and has not been fun for sometime, plain ande simple

 

[orangenirvana]

False.

Stanford WR's run circles aronud Syracuse

Actually, I doubt that's true. WR is a big weakness for them.

 

[SmilinBob]

To each is own and as much as I'd like SU to have the dome full and the tv's on watching I understand life happens and you have to do what is right for you.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Sorry, I can't reconcile the fact that a supposed fan who cares about the team doesn't bother to watch. But to each his own I guess.

I get it, and that's fine. I know a lot of people on this board will struggle with it. What I hope they do understand, and that the coaching staff understands, is that a lot of people are judging that what they're seeing, or could see week to week, isn't worth their time, and the program needs to find a way to make them feel it's worth it.

 

[GoSU96]

You really think the offense they are running is run/run/pass?