RB Jawhar Jordan in the transfer portal

[sufandu]

But that is the point, at least as I understood it. Jordan wanted to be the starting feature back for Syracuse. Not the kick returner, not the slot and not some other positions. The Feature back. I am just not going to beat Dino over that decision.
In regards to what gets me riled up. I am more in the moment. 4th qrtr, team down 3 and our starting RB breaks the safety's ankles cutting left, right and takes it for the score. My son then points to a flag on the ground...hold on Syracuse...bring it back. That is what gets me riled. Losing a young man in the off season just doesn't bother me that much. Again good luck to him. He is doing what is best for him. I have no problem with that.

I never said anything about Dino. I place no fault on him. I'm not sure why you mentioned him. It's his job to put guys where they can be successful and help the team the most.

I also don't blame a player for doing what he wants. However, when a guy that I expected to be a big contributor leaves us for a conference rival, I will root against him as hard as I rooted against Mourning or Iverson in basketball and Warren Sapp or Pat White in football. Every player does what they think is best for them. I didn't cheer on Aaron Donald when he sacked our QB or Larry Fitzgerald when scored a touchdown against us.

I suppose different people react differently to different events. John Thompson declaring Manley Fieldhouse officially closed jump started a whole rivalry, so clearly off the court/field events tend to have an impact on how fans think/feel. In light of something like that, it's completely understandable for people to have a bad taste in their mouth when an exciting player leaves for a conference rival.

 

[Chip]

People are talking like we were 10-1 instead of 1-10. lol.

Just my opinion, but I think people are just trying to rationalize it and move forward because, what else are we going to do?

Someone beat him out and he left. There are actually people in this thread saying it's on Dino. For what, promoting the better player in the transfer portal era?

I guess I don't know the whole story, but just looks like a potential playmaker was handed the starting job because of defections, got hurt, and the guy that took his place looks better. So he left.

If we're not a 6-7 win team this year, we've got bigger problems than losing a discontented RB.

 

[Cusefan69]

I never said anything about Dino. I place no fault on him. I'm not sure why you mentioned him. It's his job to put guys where they can be successful and help the team the most.

I also don't blame a player for doing what he wants. However, when a guy that I expected to be a big contributor leaves us for a conference rival, I will root against him as hard as I rooted against Mourning or Iverson in basketball and Warren Sapp or Pat White in football. Every player does what they think is best for them. I didn't cheer on Aaron Donald when he sacked our QB or when Larry Fitzgerald scored a touchdown against us.

I suppose different people react differently to different events. John Thompson declaring Manley Fieldhouse officially closed jump started a whole rivalry, so clearly off the court/field events tend to have an impact on how fans think/feel. In light of something like that, it's completely understandable for people to have a bad taste in their mouth when an exciting player leaves for a conference rival.

I mentioned Dino because there is a perception by some that Dino let Jordan go.
I think it's one thing to root against a coach. I think it's another thing to say you don't want a former player to be successful. But hey different strokes for different folks.
Lastly you obviously don't root for the other team but if you can't admit even grudgingly when someone makes a nice play from the other team then I guess more power to ya. I would not cheer Donald on for a sack but if he bull rushed a double team, stonewalls the chip block and buries our QB I am going to say @#ck! Nice play! Again I guess to each there own. (Shrugs)

 

[money3189]

Just my opinion, but I think people are just trying to rationalize it and move forward because, what else are we going to do?

Someone beat him out and he left. There are actually people in this thread saying it's on Dino. For what, promoting the better player in the transfer portal era?

I guess I don't know the whole story, but just looks like a potential playmaker was handed the starting job because of defections, got hurt, and the guy that took his place looks better. So he left.

If we're not a 6-7 win team this year, we've got bigger problems than losing a discontented RB.

I don't think it had anything to do with Tucker beating him out imo. Jawhar was going to share carries at SU no matter what. I think Jawhar wanted a fresh start and a chance to play in a offense more conducive to his running style. Louisville had success with a smaller back so it makes sense for him to go there. Hawkins left but Jawhar will be sharing carries with Hassan Hall and any other up coming RB in their program. I never thought he was a RB1 type of guy but who know what he may be 2 years from now. Not a huge loss as far as current production ( he missed 9 games). I just like having the option of putting in a shifty fast guy. It adds a different element. We never got a chance to see what can come from that. The offense was a mess.

 

[Chip]

I don't think it had anything to do with Tucker beating him out imo. Jawhar was going to share carries at SU no matter what. I think Jawhar wanted a fresh start and a chance to play in a offense more conducive to his running style. Louisville had success with a smaller back so it makes sense for him to go there. Hawkins left but Jawhar will be sharing carries with Hassan Hall and any other up coming RB in their program. I never thought he was a RB1 type of guy but who know what he may be 2 years from now. Not a huge loss as far as current production ( he missed 9 games). I just like having the option of putting in a shifty fast guy. It adds a different element. We never got a chance to see what can come from that. The offense was a mess.

I hope we can block this year. No OL production ruins anything and everything we try to do. All the humans are back, plus new ones, and the new position coach of course. If it doesn't get straightened out, again, losing guys like Jordan will be down the list of problems.

 

[money3189]

I hope we can block this year. No OL production ruins anything and everything we try to do. All the humans are back, plus new ones, and the new position coach of course. If it doesn't get straightened out, again, losing guys like Jordan will be down the list of problems.

Oh I agree. The discussion about Jawhar has nothing to do with all the other issues we have. He wasnt going to fix all those problems.

 

[SUbear]

Jordan was our most explosive back. After him? Adams was lighting up the practice tape. That's why we are upset. Hough, and to a lesser extent, Lutz, Showed they had zone read vision and power, last year. Neither had a step on Jordan or Adams. I like our RB room MUCH more with Jordan.

Jordon did not and probably never would have the capability of being a full time RB. Most likely told that by our coaches, and wanted that role, good luck with that, but you are too small.

 

[orangepassion]

I hope we can block this year. No OL production ruins anything and everything we try to do. All the humans are back, plus new ones, and the new position coach of course. If it doesn't get straightened out, again, losing guys like Jordan will be down the list of problems.

He might also see the success UL has had running the ball and how much we’ve struggled and decided he had enough, especially when most of our runs are right up the middle, not his strength. Our OL has been among the worst in College Football since Dino has got here and his ability (or lack thereof) to fix it will make or break him.

 

[PhatOrange]

I didn't care where he went until he went to a conference rival. Getting beat out by a conference rival during high school recruiting is disappointing but acceptable. Losing a talented player that was given the opportunity to start prior to his injury and was likely to see the field in a variety of ways via transfer to a conference rival feels like a slap in the face.

Imagine if Matt Roe had transferred to St Johns or Villanova instead of Maryland. And it's possible Jordan could be more impactful in football than Roe in basketball. Imagine if Stevie Thompson transferred to St Johns or Villanova.

imagaine it Tauren Thompson transferred to seton hall or earl Duncan and Keith Hughes transferred to Rutgers or rock loyd to Long Beach state, oh wait. They did and it was a big snoozer. This is much ado about nothing.

 

[llandz]

All I will say is that 99% of the above comments are wrong. You are making assumptions about both the player and the coaching staff and their plans and not one of these assumptions is correct. Not only are they wrong, but if you took the time to read your posts from the standpoint of the players reading your posts or their families reading them, it is surprising that we don't loose a lot of other players. Yes, players should not read these type of posts, but they do, and you all need to be more sensitive to their feelings and mental health.
Think Naomi Osaka. Players play their sport because they have a tremendous skill set, not just to entertain you or to make you happy off of the field of play. Hopefully if left to their natural abilities they will make you happy by that alone.
The news of where he is going may be premature as it has not been officially and publicly announced. But trust me that he will be someplace where he will be showcasing his skills and will get a great education (for those of you who worried about that). When all is public, I may comment more, but seriously, you don't own any of the players and you have no say in what they chose to do with their lives, and the same with the coaching staff.
Actually I probably will not post any more on this subject. I am pretty disgusted at this point.

 

[Orijinal]

Yes, players should not read these type of posts, but they do, and you all need to be more sensitive to their feelings and mental health.
Think Naomi Osaka.

This is pretty over the top. However, I agree that we shouldn't assume the situation and talk like it is fact.

I admit I have not looked closely into the Osaka situation.. I heard she just didn't want to speak to media and was fined accordingly.

Osaka has absolutely no excuse to not speak to media. She makes millions of dollars, is a professional athlete, and as a human being has the capability and wherewithal to answer questions ...and absolutely should. If she can't stand in front of media because of "mental health issues" then she can't expect that her mental state will allow her to win a match either

 

[Bayside44]

All I will say is that 99% of the above comments are wrong. You are making assumptions about both the player and the coaching staff and their plans and not one of these assumptions is correct. Not only are they wrong, but if you took the time to read your posts from the standpoint of the players reading your posts or their families reading them, it is surprising that we don't loose a lot of other players. Yes, players should not read these type of posts, but they do, and you all need to be more sensitive to their feelings and mental health.
Think Naomi Osaka. Players play their sport because they have a tremendous skill set, not just to entertain you or to make you happy off of the field of play. Hopefully if left to their natural abilities they will make you happy by that alone.
The news of where he is going may be premature as it has not been officially and publicly announced. But trust me that he will be someplace where he will be showcasing his skills and will get a great education (for those of you who worried about that). When all is public, I may comment more, but seriously, you don't own any of the players and you have no say in what they chose to do with their lives, and the same with the coaching staff.
Actually I probably will not post any more on this subject. I am pretty disgusted at this point.

Actually professional athletes like Osaka play their sport for a lot of money precisely to entertain people. That’s how they get paid. Great to have an amazing skill but if people don’t place a dollar value on that...

As far as this kid goes people are musing, honestly doesn’t seem so bad.

 

[JRHEETER]

All I will say is that 99% of the above comments are wrong. You are making assumptions about both the player and the coaching staff and their plans and not one of these assumptions is correct. Not only are they wrong, but if you took the time to read your posts from the standpoint of the players reading your posts or their families reading them, it is surprising that we don't loose a lot of other players. Yes, players should not read these type of posts, but they do, and you all need to be more sensitive to their feelings and mental health.
Think Naomi Osaka. Players play their sport because they have a tremendous skill set, not just to entertain you or to make you happy off of the field of play. Hopefully if left to their natural abilities they will make you happy by that alone.
The news of where he is going may be premature as it has not been officially and publicly announced. But trust me that he will be someplace where he will be showcasing his skills and will get a great education (for those of you who worried about that). When all is public, I may comment more, but seriously, you don't own any of the players and you have no say in what they chose to do with their lives, and the same with the coaching staff.
Actually I probably will not post any more on this subject. I am pretty disgusted at this point.

I guess, not to be rude, but I haven’t read anything really terrible besides people talking about the pros and cons of him leaving and their opinions on him, which is completely allowed.

You are correct that we don’t know why exactly he is leaving, which is why many are speculating as to why he is leaving or what the cause may be.

Now, I understand that you are close to him and the family and everyone respects that, but this is open forum to talk and discuss Syracuse athletics and by playing division 1 athletics you put yourself in the limelight and open yourself up for criticism and praise, whether it’s deserved or not. This is especially true when you have a player such as JJ that shows some unique and special skills. While he is not solely playing for “us”. If there was no “us” sports wouldn’t exist. And without discussions in and around sports they wouldn’t exist.

I don’t think anyone on here is purposely trying to disgust you or talk poorly about JJ. Just having open dialogue about him leaving.

now perhaps I missed some negative posts that have since been deleted….but overall I think this has been one of the more healthy discussions on this board.

As I said, not trying to be rude, but I think this might effect you more as you are so much more personally connected.

 

[sufandu]

imagaine it Tauren Thompson transferred to seton hall or earl Duncan and Keith Hughes transferred to Rutgers or rock loyd to Long Beach state, oh wait. They did and it was a big snoozer. This is much ado about nothing.

Those were not conference rivals.

 

[llandz]

Posts about skill set , and that he thought he should be doing "xyz" and that he is wrong and was unhappy in that he thought he was better than he was, yadda, yadda, yadda.. Are you all experts on this? And yes players play for a lot of money. I went to multiple US Open matches including sitting center court 10th row for finals, semi finals and first round matches. I did this for 30 years. What I paid to see was great and exciting matches and points. Not once would I have cared if a player did not want to give an interview after a match because they were uncomfortable doing that or an introvert or just upset at the moment. She gave the on court interview, and was fine with that. The assumption that any player "owes" anyone time when they are finished with their play is something that needs to be changed. There is plenty of entertainment in the sport alone. I say this also having one very good friend who played on the pro tennis circuit and is also currently extremely active in the tennis and sports announcing world. I think he would agree with me on this.

 

[sufandu]

Posts about skill set , and that he thought he should be doing "xyz" and that he is wrong and was unhappy in that he thought he was better than he was, yadda, yadda, yadda.. Are you all experts on this? And yes players play for a lot of money. I went to multiple US Open matches including sitting center court 10th row for finals, semi finals and first round matches. I did this for 30 years. What I paid to see was great and exciting matches and points. Not once would I have cared if a player did not want to give an interview after a match because they were uncomfortable doing that or an introvert or just upset at the moment. She gave the on court interview, and was fine with that. The assumption that any player "owes" anyone time when they are finished with their play is something that needs to be changed. There is plenty of entertainment in the sport alone. I say this also having one very good friend who played on the pro tennis circuit and is also currently extremely active in the tennis and sports announcing world. I think he would agree with me on this.

He may, and I know we're going off topic here, but promoting the sport is part of its profitability. It would be interesting to talk to the athletes that played various sports before they made lots of money, guys that held second jobs in the off season. They may have good insight into how important promotion of the sport has been. It's similar to actors doing the promotion circuit for a movie. They get paid for their performance in the movie, but walking red carpets and appearing on talk shows is part of everything.

 

[Chip]

All I will say is that 99% of the above comments are wrong. You are making assumptions about both the player and the coaching staff and their plans and not one of these assumptions is correct. Not only are they wrong, but if you took the time to read your posts from the standpoint of the players reading your posts or their families reading them, it is surprising that we don't loose a lot of other players. Yes, players should not read these type of posts, but they do, and you all need to be more sensitive to their feelings and mental health.
Think Naomi Osaka. Players play their sport because they have a tremendous skill set, not just to entertain you or to make you happy off of the field of play. Hopefully if left to their natural abilities they will make you happy by that alone.
The news of where he is going may be premature as it has not been officially and publicly announced. But trust me that he will be someplace where he will be showcasing his skills and will get a great education (for those of you who worried about that). When all is public, I may comment more, but seriously, you don't own any of the players and you have no say in what they chose to do with their lives, and the same with the coaching staff.
Actually I probably will not post any more on this subject. I am pretty disgusted at this point.

It's a message board. And honestly, it's been a pretty clean thread.

I guess it never ends well when people who post are too close to the player and their family.

He's transferring to one of our division rivals. Imagine if that happened at a big school.

This place gets such a bad rep sometimes, and other than a couple of bad eggs, it's a walk in the park compared to what happens on message boards at the football factories. If the players want to be on national TV and play in front of 50-100k, it comes with the territory. Someday soon they'll get a share of the money too. This is probably a good selling point for what's coming.

 

[Bayside44]

He may, and I know we're going off topic here, but promoting the sport is part of its profitability. It would be interesting to talk to the athletes that played various sports before they made lots of money, guys that held second jobs in the off season. They may have good insight into how important promotion of the sport has been. It's similar to actors doing the promotion circuit for a movie. They get paid for their performance in the movie, but walking red carpets and appearing on talk shows is part of everything.

The USTA wants interviews, balls getting hit into the crowds, and kids getting oversized tennis balls signed. Nike wants personality. It's their contract the players agreed to sign.

 

[orangencpolice]

Agree 100%. But I don't believe that Dino or anyone pushed this kid out the door. From everything I have heard on this board he wants to be RB and start. I don't think anyone is saying he is not talented. I would be betting the rent that Dino did his best to retain him and talk him into playing all over the field BUT if Jordan doesn't want to do that then what is Dino supposed to do? Not saying you specifically Money but people are acting like Dino and the staff didn't know what Jordan brought to the table. That's ridiculous. They had a vision for Jordan. Jordan didn't agree with the vision nor want to be talked into it. Jordan leaves. Jordan moves on...unfortunate for Syracuse losing a talent but their hands were kinda tied in this case.

Not trying to beat a dead horse and I am not a coach in any way, shape or form, but myself and others were not impressed with the way Jordan was utilized in the offense. I also understand that the oline was the worst since Grob was here. I still think he could have been used in a different fashion, rather than running him up the middle 90 percent of the time. No screens, offset runs or short passes. I have a hard time seeing him go when I have waited for so long for him to come…

 

[sufandu]

This is a good point.

Plus, I think it shows how fans can have different mindsets about what's needed to be successful.

Tucker is awesome, we're lucky to have him.

Thing is... top programs have several dudes like him in the same position group.

That's where we need to get - to the point where we have multiple really talented guys at every position on the field (except punter and kicker, screw those dweebs).

I mean, we just saw firsthand how awesome it was to have 3 NFL caliber guys in our secondary... and then a 4th really awesome one in Williams emerged.

That's how a program makes the leap to a higher ceiling and higher floor.

Yeah, how many times recently have we seen a back up come in against us and kill us? Too many.

The extreme example of what you're talking about is when Barry Switzer said he hoped Thurman Thomas didn't get hurt because he didn't want Barry Sanders to have to play.

 

[MadNY3]

All I will say is that 99% of the above comments are wrong. You are making assumptions about both the player and the coaching staff and their plans and not one of these assumptions is correct. Not only are they wrong, but if you took the time to read your posts from the standpoint of the players reading your posts or their families reading them, it is surprising that we don't loose a lot of other players. Yes, players should not read these type of posts, but they do, and you all need to be more sensitive to their feelings and mental health.
Think Naomi Osaka. Players play their sport because they have a tremendous skill set, not just to entertain you or to make you happy off of the field of play. Hopefully if left to their natural abilities they will make you happy by that alone.
The news of where he is going may be premature as it has not been officially and publicly announced. But trust me that he will be someplace where he will be showcasing his skills and will get a great education (for those of you who worried about that). When all is public, I may comment more, but seriously, you don't own any of the players and you have no say in what they chose to do with their lives, and the same with the coaching staff.
Actually I probably will not post any more on this subject. I am pretty disgusted at this point.

Good luck to him and hope he succeeds wherever he goes. This thread has already set a Guiness Book of World Record for posts given to a 1.9 yards per rush person to leave. But Syracuse has benefited from underused players transferring in and seen other flourish who transferred out.

Good luck, Jahwar.

 

[SUFan44]

Apples & oranges. Osaka is a pro - she needs to fulfill obligations and has the means to handle things if she is not prepared to fulfill those obligations.

Jordan is an amateur. However, it is a message board and people can opine. They’re not calling the kid names. In fact, most are wishing him well.

 

[Alsacs]

Dino wanted to use Jawhar as a slot receiver, so we could get him the ball in space and he could use his speed downfield.

Jawhar insisted that he wanted to be an every down "pound the ball between the tackles" running back. He was never going to play over Tucker and Hough and maybe Adams in that role.

He chose to find another school where he was promised he could be an RB1.

Where did this come from?

This sounds like what Llandz was talking about.
She would know what JJ was thinking and she never said this.
JJ insisted?

 

[Acesn8s]

Posts about skill set , and that he thought he should be doing "xyz" and that he is wrong and was unhappy in that he thought he was better than he was, yadda, yadda, yadda.. Are you all experts on this? And yes players play for a lot of money. I went to multiple US Open matches including sitting center court 10th row for finals, semi finals and first round matches. I did this for 30 years. What I paid to see was great and exciting matches and points. Not once would I have cared if a player did not want to give an interview after a match because they were uncomfortable doing that or an introvert or just upset at the moment. She gave the on court interview, and was fine with that. The assumption that any player "owes" anyone time when they are finished with their play is something that needs to be changed. There is plenty of entertainment in the sport alone. I say this also having one very good friend who played on the pro tennis circuit and is also currently extremely active in the tennis and sports announcing world. I think he would agree with me on this.

I’m sorry,and I don’t meant to offend you but this is a ridiculous take. Osaka is a pro athlete who is getting paid to entertain. If she didn’t want any to entertain then play on Sunday’s with friends and get a real job. Also she has more endorsements then any other Tennis player in the world most likely, Nike, MasterCard, beats by Dre, Nissan that I can think of. She now doesn’t want to talk to media, she puts herself in the limelight all the time outside of tennis. So to that I say lighten up Francis.

 

[Alsacs]

I’m sorry,and I don’t meant to offend you but this is a ridiculous take. Osaka is a pro athlete who is getting paid to entertain. If she didn’t want any to entertain then play on Sunday’s with friends and get a real job. Also she has more endorsements then any other Tennis player in the world most likely, Nike, MasterCard, beats by Dre, Nissan that I can think of. She now doesn’t want to talk to media, she puts herself in the limelight all the time outside of tennis. So to that I say lighten up Francis.

Osaka doesn’t owe the media anything.
This isn’t the 1980s or time before social media.
Fans don’t need the media like they used too.
Media nowadays behave entitled and act like they are important when they do more to create drama than be the lifeline for fans like the old times.
Osaka doesn’t owe them anything.
Her fans care about her playing tennis not talking to tennis media.

She is 100% right.
Any athletes should boycott sports media if they want too. Fans don’t care about talking to media.

Jawhar Jordan will be missed.