Reasons Why Boeheim Might Actually Thrive In This NEW ERA

[Ceerqqq]

You never heard me saying anything like that 25 to 30 years ago. Why lie? if you must know, back then., I was one of the few people that defended jb and his coaching. Times change. What worked 30 years ago , doesn't work anymore.

C'mon now...it's not lying if you quality your recollection with "seems like." I don't know how long ago it was precisely or which player(s) (Seikaly?).

Nor have I suggested that you didn't defend JB's coaching at different times in the past, cuz I know you did. (I remember when IthacaMatt did.)

All I'm really suggesting here is that you may be missing something re: JB's potential to succeed in this new era.

All any of us has is guesswork at this point...

 

[dasher]

C'mon now...it's not lying if you quality your recollection with "seems like." I don't know how long ago it was precisely or which player(s) (Seikaly?).

Nor have I suggested that you didn't defend JB's coaching at different times in the past, cuz I know you did. (I remember when IthacaMatt did.)

All I'm really suggesting here is that you may be missing something re: JB's potential to succeed in this new era.

All any of us has is guesswork at this point...

It's not guess work to look at our record over the last 5 years. We haven't been "Syracuse". I am probably more hopeful about next years team than most of the board. I think we will have a strong team. National elite?? That is a big question.

 

[Cusesky8214]

 

[CuseCPT]

New theory, Dr. Ceerqqq is CuseHulkRunner when he isn't angry.

 

[miamicuse]

Maybe cuz he balances his Meanie side with another side that 'controls' it? Maybe because, while he may be 'cold', he apparently comes across as as someone who understands basketball and that's what a lot of recruits are ultimately looking for?

The "balance" to the meanie side has always been Hop, positive, high energy, full of optimism, he pats the kids on their backs after JB chewed them out. Once Hop left, recruiting suffered immediately, early departures and defections follow. Hop was the Yan to Jim's Yin.

 

[CousCuse]

New theory, Dr. Ceerqqq is CuseHulkRunner when he isn't angry.

I thought Ceerqqq was Spock's father. Most logical.

 

[FloridaFan]

This thread is just an wlaborate April fools joke I’m convinced. It’s either that or the start of a new religion called Zoneism or Boeheimism

 

[CousCuse]

This thread is just an wlaborate April fools joke I’m convinced. It’s either that or the start of a new religion called Zoneism or Boeheimism

Z Oneism is genius.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Adapting to change...

Once again, Boeheim seems to be the anomaly. We just heard that Roy Williams is quitting the gig cuz he couldn't handle the changes.

But listening to Boeheim describe the New Situation in an interview, he seemed completely OK with what is happening, saying he doesn't think it's ideal, but it is what it is and he gave every reason to believe that he figures he knows how to navigate the waters...

...perhaps for the reasons I've outlined...

LOL. I'm sorry, but being AWARE of a changing landscape and actually ADAPTING to that change are two separate things.

Let me just let you in on a secret: JB does not have the type of personality that adapts to change. His personality (extremely stubborn "my way or the highway" because I'm always right) is the type that expects everyone else to change to meet his way. That's the exact opposite personality that you would expect to do well today's basketball landscape.

 

[cuseincincy]

The biggest problem with your hypothesis is that this is likely a one year deal on the portal. Hopefully, and most likely, next year the kids will have to go back to sitting a year when they transfer without waiver worthy reasons. It would be silly to base anything in the future off of what happened this past year.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I could swear I hear pipe organ music in the background as I read those posts. So much in common with religion and that contrivance they call “faith.”

If the genius Master Plan is to be in the ‘first four out,’ pray, and then win two games, while pissing off up and coming talent and scaring away other talent, yeah—brilliant.

JB is not thriving. He is not going to thrive. And next year, when we have a brand new cast of characters to blame for not having enough familiarity or talent or athleticism to play an effective zone for 95% of the season, I guess we should remember that that was all by Divine Plan, so that we could validate another 6th place, unranked season, but have an interesting two weeks to end it all. Rinse and Repeat until his kids have no more eligibility and JB finally punches a reporter.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I could swear I hear pipe organ music in the background as I read those posts. So much in common with religion and that contrivance they call “faith.”

If the genius Master Plan is to be in the ‘first four out,’ pray, and then win two games, while pissing off up and coming talent and scaring away other talent, yeah—brilliant.

JB is not thriving. He is not going to thrive. And next year, when we have a brand new cast of characters to blame for not having enough familiarity or talent or athleticism to play an effective zone for 95% of the season, I guess we should remember that that was all by Divine Plan, so that we could validate another 6th place, unranked season, but have an interesting two weeks to end it all. Rinse and Repeat until his kids have no more eligibility and JB finally punches a reporter.

That's crazy. We've finished as good as 6th in conference only once since 2015.

 

[Red Holzman]

Boeheim's greatest strength as a coach is his ability to produce highly-competitive teams at the end of the year on a regular basis, no matter what kind of talent he has to work with. The last seven years have been "down years" for Boeheim as far as recruiting has been concerned, but in spite of that, he's produce enviable success in the NCAAT and has developed quite a favorable reputation for having that kind of coaching ability.

(Of course, part of the reason he's so good at it is because he settles on a key rotation early & tries to give first his starting five all the PT they need to develop, and then his key 6-8 reserves after that. The success of this approach was demonstrated yet again this year.)

Ya see.. Boeheim's been practicing this winning formula the last seven years or so

This winning formula came very close to NOT providing an opportunity for enviable success in this year's NCAAT -and other recent bubble seasons.

What narrative would be spun if SU missed this year's NCAAT, and in other recent bubble seasons?

Sensei?

 

[Cuse#1]

It's pretty well known that the older you get the more willing you are to grind day in and day out.

Also adapting to change is another strong point.

That is the problem though boeheim does not show thd the ability to adapt that much . This season however he actually showed progress but he still has a way to go.

 

[HOFCeluck]

This winning formula came very close to NOT providing an opportunity for enviable success in this year's NCAAT -and other recent bubble seasons.

What narrative would be spun if SU missed this year's NCAAT, and in other recent bubble seasons?

Sensei?

Yeah we maybe be one miracle comeback vs ND away from no NCAA wins in three years.

 

[Cuse#1]

It's not guess work to look at our record over the last 5 years. We haven't been "Syracuse". I am probably more hopeful about next years team than most of the board. I think we will have a strong team. National elite?? That is a big question.

You are hopeful about next year's team.. I am in some ways cause we are Syracuse basketball n we still have alot of pedigree and prestige so we should be able to rebound from this. I have hope but we have a lot of holes to fill right now

 

[SuFTW]

So like someone said. Why was sanctions an excuse if boeheim never needs more then 8 player

Smaller pool of players to choose from to make up the 7 or 8 that actually play while the sanctions are in effect and for a year or 2 after (less players developing on the bench).

 

[dasher]

So like someone said. Why was sanctions an excuse if boeheim never needs more then 8 players

It is short sighted not to understand what the sanctions did to us. Yes, we only play 7 or 8 guys. But the sanctions didn't allow us to offer the same number of ships that other schools did. That meant we couldn't make a mistake with the ones we did give out. Everyone makes a mistake. What that means to us, is that we only got to choose 7 or 8 from 11 instead of choosing 7 or 8 from 13. A big difference. What would we have looked like this year if we had the same restrictions? Well, maybe we don't even offer Kadary. And Frank. That would be two less players.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I think "thriving" in 2021 is like "winning" in 2016.

How about this: we went from Dior and Kadary... to Symir and a diminishing Joe.
I haven't seen Torrence play, but just on the face of it, that's like getting the fuzzy end of the lollipop. It's a kick in the pills. It is the opposite of thrivance.

We were not too long ago saying we were setting up for being a title contender... to... will we even be able to field a full roster, before we can even think about climbing up toward the bubble.

My fingers are crossed for some impactful, quick-learning transfers, but it's hard to get 'super pumped' for the potential of watching a guy come in like a mercenary, to play only one year—where we know it's only for one year, and not because he straight killed it for us and/or he blew up on the way to a Final Four. Whether or not some or all of this is just the new pandemic transfer landscape or if there is a real issue specifically with our team/staff (it can be both), this upcoming season is both fascinating and uncool at the same time.

 

[Red Holzman]

this upcoming season is both fascinating and uncool at the same time.

Summed up nicely, ZZ.

 

[Madbiker]

Everything's been turned upside down, right? Total chaos. The Top Recruiting Programs will no longer be able to stockpile all the elite talent. One-and-done was bad enough for them. Now the rosters of the top programs are going to change dramatically from one year to the next due to the Transfer Portal (there will be exceptions to the rule, of course).

I, for one, feel encouraged by this new CB landscape as it seems to feed into Boeheim's greatest strengths as a coach while at the same time lessening the importance of his weaknesses.

Boeheim's one outstanding weakness as a Top Rank coach is his demonstrated inability to out-talk the Caliparis and the Pitinos of the world for The Elite talent they are able to regularly pull in. He has for quite some time pulled off his regular end-of-season successes by relying primarily on 2nd Tier Talent.

But the Transfer Portal is going to lessen Boeheim's disadvantage in this respect if he's able to pull in more and more of those Mike Gbinjis out there from one season to the next. The 'supply' of top talent that he's gonna have to work with in the New Era figures to be somewhat improved from now on...

Boeheim's greatest strength as a coach is his ability to produce highly-competitive teams at the end of the year on a regular basis, no matter what kind of talent he has to work with. The last seven years have been "down years" for Boeheim as far as recruiting has been concerned, but in spite of that, he's produce enviable success in the NCAAT and has developed quite a favorable reputation for having that kind of coaching ability.

(Of course, part of the reason he's so good at it is because he settles on a key rotation early & tries to give first his starting five all the PT they need to develop, and then his key 6-8 reserves after that. The success of this approach was demonstrated yet again this year.)

So ironically, while many of his detractors have been calling for his head again this year, the college basketball landscape has changed in a way that may very well work optimally in Jim Boeheim's favor as we go forward...

Recruiting the transfer portal is still RECRUITING. You still have to sell kids and "out talk" other coaches. If half your team leaves every year that puts more emphasis on recruiting ability.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Summed up nicely, ZZ.

Yay!
I mean... yeah, damn. %$@&!!!!

 

[JustPherU]

The amount of spin in defense of boeheim is just mind boggling. How can one thread argue that the game should go back to the 90’s when boeheim was killer and the next thread is he will thrive in the new era

He seems to have thrived in all eras .
I guess depends on an individuals definition of thrive.
I know the dude has never had a losing season and has went to several Sweet Sixteens in the last 10 or so years.
Be care what you wish for is what I say.

 

[Day2]

This winning formula came very close to NOT providing an opportunity for enviable success in this year's NCAAT -and other recent bubble seasons.

What narrative would be spun if SU missed this year's NCAAT, and in other recent bubble seasons?

Sensei?

Yeah we maybe be one miracle comeback vs ND away from no NCAA wins in three years.

Again with the hypotheticals. I thought you guys were all about reality.

But hey, as long as we’re playing this game, I’m giving us three more titles. Because what if Smart misses the jumper, Onuaku doesn’t get hurt, and Fab Melo doesn’t get suspended? And one more appearance in the championship game, because what if the officiating at the end of the Michigan game wasn’t complete garbage?

 

[HOFCeluck]

Again with the hypotheticals. I thought you guys were all about reality.

But hey, as long as we’re playing this game, I’m giving us three more titles. Because what if Smart misses the jumper, Onuaku doesn’t get hurt, and Fab Melo doesn’t get suspended? And one more appearance in the championship game, because what if the officiating at the end of the Michigan game wasn’t complete garbage?

Triche getting the call far from guaranteed a spot in the title game.