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Rebounding out of the zone

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The low hanging fruit when it comes to discussions regarding zone rebounding often center on lack of block out responsibilities. Sure...that is a thing, but i think there are a couple other factors, more difficult to correct for, that render zone rebounding more difficult.

1. Against a man defense, the offense has to cut, run, move, etc to receive the ball. There is no pre-ordained area they can just stand and receive a pass as a pressure release or for the purposes of establishing a scoring threat position. Basically a man defense forces the offense to work to just get open. This often results in players being taken away from the basket and thus the odds of them getting a rebound are reduced simply by proximity effects.

2. Against a zone defense, you can just stand where they aint. Go pick out a spot near the basket which is between coverage regions for the defenders. Plant your self there. Heck, have your buddy do the same thing. In fact, two of you go really close to the rim and sandwhich the center. The only way you wont have an advantage is if the wing really cheats down towards you , but this makes it 3 vs two up high.
This is why we see so many offensive boards. Watch how often its simply a two vs one situation on rebounds. You arent going to overcome that advantage unless you have Chamberlain on your team.

Mind you, the zone offers defensive advantages as well, one of which is rocket speed transition from defense to offense, not to mention forcing the offense to take alot of time working to get a good look. It does a great job of negating speed and dribble penetration. Our zone in particular has historically been great at forcing guys into difficult mid range jumpers (the famous foul line misnomer argument we always hear about as the key to beating our zone...we WANT you to get the ball there, because now we have four guys surrounding you.and very few can make plays from there)

Point being, no defense is perfect and any defense played poorly will be trashed. This is just to highlight an innate factor as to why we don't have good rebounding teams on the D end even when we have people who one would think should dominate on both O and D sides of the glass.
 
we have people who one would think should dominate on both O and D sides of the glass.[/QUOTE]

Like who?
 
When we are good rebounding in zone, we have great wings or a great rebounding guard.

Whenever we have small wings, it's immediate rebounding death
 
The hay-day of AO/Wes/Rick we were a rebounding machine, it seemed like we got every board, Andy/Triche were great rebounding guards as well. Then Fab/Fair were great.

Honestly G and Cooney aren't that bad on the boards, and Mali would be a good rebounder from up top, but we are just too small at the 3,4,5 this year
 
In Boeheim's own words...the zone defense is not a strong rebounding way to go.Was not made to rebound effectively in it. You give up one thing for another.
 
Good points. Couple thoughts:
1: Your point about offensive players' movement taking them away from the basket is correct. However in m2m, it usually takes the defensive player away from the basket also. I'd call that a wash.

Another disadvantage of the zone is that in many cases where the offense is taking a jumpshot, one of the back line players is closing out, running full speed away from the basket and taking themselves out of the play. Although help defense causes this to happen in m2m, it seems to happen much less often.
 
you need a center to rebound in a zone.. coleman is slow and lydon just a bit too small though he hustles. add in both forwards and undersized too.. maliki almost had a double double didnt he the other night? he is getting better at it.
 
In Boeheim's own words...the zone defense is not a strong rebounding way to go.Was not made to rebound effectively in it. You give up one thing for another.

Indeed. I think one of the main reasons JB likes to play zone exclusively as well is that he then doesn't need to play more than his typical 6-7 guy rotation. Comprehensively, over the years, this clearly is his comfort zone.
 
This team is not as quick to the ball as past teams. Experience reinforces anticipation on missed shots as to where the ball will come of the rim...and this team with two Freshmen and Coleman who has hardly seen the court the last 2 seasons doesn't help with effectively rebounding. We have a disconnect between the guard play and the interior guys offensively and to a degree defensively in the zone. Seems like this gulf widens during a game rather than contract. I have watched SU basketball since the 50s and saw some teams before Boeheim, as a coach and player, that were really bad even though they had decent talent that just didn't "get it". This team seems to not "get it" as the game winds down in the 2nd half. They let things get out of hand. A necessary game managing rhythm to the offense is lacking. Let me add that Roberson looks like the only decent zone rebounder.
 
We are far from being a rocket in transition, our guards have very little court awareness, look at G's heave at the end of last game . He had enough time to get a decent shot of at the 3,point line but takes a 50 footer
 

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