Recap of Cowherd/Schwartz interview

[jimsonjunction]

Mark Schwarz on Cowherd: "Looking at my transcriptions of Bobby Davis' interviews from 2003, all the phone calls and all the on cameras, and then speaking to him again this week, his accounts are almost identical, almost word for word, eight years later."

Word for word, eight years later? Oh, so the story must be true.

His accounts are identical? That stammering, stuttering, incoherent response to questioning was identical to something? Wow.

 

[Whitey23]

Yeah, that's because Cowherd is good. Potentially the best out there right now. People in Syracuse and those on this board just did not like what he said about SU and our program. Cowherd calls it like it is. Even torches himself on the air (which non of these guys do) when he is wrong.

44cuse

That sent shivers down my spine. Cowherd, the best, yikes. Try Dan Patrick for a week you won't go back.

 

[orangefan13]

What's new in the Cowherd stuff is that Schwarz is becoming more and more disingenuous. What does seeing him on the team bus have to do with anything that JB said. He's making stuff up to make JB look bad.

exellent post well planned by them.

 

[RMH44]

Here's my perspective: Schwartz, Davis, nor Lang aren't bringing up anything new here, nor are they coming forward with any compelling evidence that paints the allegations in a different light.

What we have is the same unsubstantiated claims from 8 years ago that were reviewed, investigated, and dismissed by three separate groups: ESPN, the P-S, and the University. Yes, I know that Lang is a new variable, but his story lacks corroboration as well.

I'd be a LOT more concerned if new details were coming out, new information was surfacing, etc. Really, this just seems to be bubbling up due to the Penn State situation. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Sooo...who called who and when? In light of the PSU story, did Schwartz contact Davis in an attempt to keep this genre of story in headlines? Or...did Davis solicit and receive (finally) corroboration from a witness, whom just happens to be his estranged step-brother, and then reached out to Schwartz? None of this adds up.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Schwarz claiming this is strikingly similar to PSU case... the only thing in common is coached who have been around a while

One obvious difference is that the Penn State situation got launched into the public eye as the result of a very long criminal investigation by the police, with 8 victims' statements being made to the grand jury. I also think it's interesting that the victims in the Penn State case weren't that anxious to tell their stories, showing some scars from the experience and presumably not wanting to relive it.

This guy accusing Bernie first went to the Syracuse Police several years ago and were rebuffed. Then he went to the University, who had Bond Schoeneck conduct a 4 month investigation that yielded nothing. And then the guy is quiet for 7 years, and is clearing piggy-backing on the Penn State publicity.

 

[SWC75]

I can write something down, read it, and read it again in 8 years and it will still sound the same, too.

The sun rises in the west and sets in the east.

The sun rises in the west and sets in the east.

There: I said it twice. :noidea:

 

[RF2044]

One obvious difference is that the Penn State situation got launched into the public eye as the result of a very long criminal investigation by the police, with 8 victims' statements being made to the grand jury. I also think it's interesting that the victims in the Penn State case weren't that anxious to tell their stories, showing some scars from the experience and presumably not wanting to relive it...

This guy accusing Bernie first went to the Syracuse Police several years ago and were rebuffed. Then he went to the University, who had Bond Schoeneck conduct a 4 month investigation that yielded nothing. And then the guy is quiet for 7 years, and is clearing piggy-backing on the Penn State publicity.

Or be identified.

 

[44cuse]

That sent shivers down my spine. Cowherd, the best, yikes. Try Dan Patrick for a week you won't go back.

I listen to both everyday. (Cowherd is my morning commute and Patrick is evening commute...1:15 minute commutes each mostly) Cowherd is better. Dan Patrick is great, but he's in "fun mode." He's coasting. And I truly enjoy that. But he's not nearly as aggressive or opinionated as Cowherd.

44cuse

 

[JOC44]

Exactly. Schwarz is giving the accuser credibility because his story hasn't changed.

But Lang's story has changed 180 degrees and he's credible too. :crazy:

 

[Whitey23]

I listen to both everyday. (Cowherd is my morning commute and Patrick is evening commute...1:15 minute commutes each mostly) Cowherd is better. Dan Patrick is great, but he's in "fun mode." He's coasting. And I truly enjoy that. But he's not nearly as aggressive or opinionated as Cowherd.

44cuse

I can't take the aggression anymore. Across the board. No Herd, Around the Horn, all the other talking head shows. I barely even watch sportscenter anymore. It's not even news just arguments and stances and opinions.

 

[EastCoast2]

The sun rises in the west and sets in the east.

The sun rises in the west and sets in the east.

There: I said it twice. :noidea:

"This guy claims he was molested, he said he was molested 8 years ago! He's telling the truth! How else would he remember he was molested!!!"

 

[44cuse]

I can't take the aggression anymore. Across the board. No Herd, Around the Horn, all the other talking head shows. I barely even watch sportscenter anymore. It's not even news just arguments and stances and opinions.

Aggression was probably the wrong term. He takes a stand. And backs it up. And owns it when he is wrong. That's what I like. It feels more informational than entertainment (Rome, Patrick, etc).

44cuse

 

[grepal]

Schwarz: "He (Davis) wanted to tell his story."

Bullstuff.. he wants $$$

Look we just do not know. If it is true it will be terrible, we will all feel sickened and betrayed. If it is true the law will take care of the
offender and anyone who helped with a cover up. If it si false Coach Fine and the program will have been embarrassed and hurt beyond measure. Sure, it may be a shakedown or a grab at $, but SU has done the right thing so far. We must show support to the program, to Coach Fine, and to Coach Boeheim until and unless it is proven the allegations are true and then Coach Fine must pay and the program will suffer. If Coach Boeheim or other officials took part in a coverup they would also pay just like Joepa. I know I am an SU supporter, but I believe that this is a made up story concocted by an attention seeking little man. Until and unless I see reasonable proof that Coach . is a monster He has my full support.

Let's face it, the kid turned out to be a liar during the prior investigation, while SU and the police need to try and get to the bottom of this thing it just looks terribly contrived to me. Schwartz' reporting style was very aggressive, and he did use voice inflection to make allegations sound like facts, but let's face it. If the story is true and he broke it it is a career maker, if it is false he simply goes down in history as another "Yellow Journalist".

 

[ithacat]

The sun rises in the west and sets in the east.

The sun rises in the west and sets in the east.

There: I said it twice. :noidea:

I know someone who's claimed for more than 20 years to be the King of America. I always thought he was kdding. Next time I see him I'll be sure to bow before His Majesty.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Mark Schwarz on Cowherd: "Looking at my transcriptions of Bobby Davis' interviews from 2003, all the phone calls and all the on cameras, and then speaking to him again this week, his accounts are almost identical, almost word for word, eight years later."

Word for word, eight years later? Oh, so the story must be true.

You mean the interviews during ESPN's own investigation that they concluded wasn't a story in 2003? Are they saying they were wrong then or wrong now or are they right no matter what they say? So they have identical assertions but suddenly come up with a different conclusion without any further investigation? Hmm. Why didn't they just present the new accuser to the police, ensure they thoroughly investigate the allegations and then publicize the findings? They seem to be contradicting their own ability to get to the bottom of it and thus just decided to take advantage of a story they created by contacting the accuser after the Penn St debacle and saying "what's new"?

They have publically "outed" supposed victims, "outed" an alleged abuser without doing any due dilegence to protect either. They create their own story, then dump it on the police and say "figure it out" all while they publicize the heck out of it and take advantage of the scenario they created. ESPN's role stinks in this entire fiasco whether guilty or innocent. Very different than Penn St I'd say.