Another OUTSTANDING post!!!! I will simplify it. 85% of the time the more talented team (loaded 4 or 5 star players) wins over the team with 1 and 2 star players. We see it play out every year in the nonconference specifically.
Why would the most talented/gifted players not first and foremost dominate in games then go to camps get P5 offers and get promoted by their coaches????? Again the star system isn't 100% accurate and the end all be all (look at Robert Washington) but it is a pretty good metric.
Remember Steven Clark? And not all kids live in areas where the recruiting services hold camps. No camps, no stars. And Robert Washington turned out to be a dud.
Robert Washington being a dud was my point lol. Again the stars system is not the end all be all
Chandler Jones is a personal friend and my alumni brother and i am glad we recruited him and his brother. He dominated in high school in NY. Those are the kids i want. But i dont want to see a recruiting class with 20 2 star recruits with more 2 star recruits than 4 stars sprinkled in with majority 3 stars
Idk what classes your looking at but I don’t think I’ve ever seen that many. The majority of our players have been 3 stars thoughout Dino’s time here. Grovesnor was completely unrated. He will be good. So was McKinley Williams. Let’s not act like we are not getting any good players and that we can’t even pull 90 percent 3 stars.
I hope our 3 star recruits can perform in the ACC. Not one of Babers recruiting classes have been top 45 consensus EVER here at Syracuse. According to 247, our classes have been ACC ranked 11, 9,11, last three years. You might to look at how many teams are in the ACC to determine if that is "good" or not.
The question is when do the stars get assigned/adjusted, before or after the big time schools offer? If they come/change after the big time schools offer, as often happens, the services are meaningless in their evaluations. If the services have a kid rated highly and then the offers follow, we can say the evaluations of the services have merit.
Agree with what you wrote, but that's very understandable and not wrong for the recruiting service camps to do this. They are a conduit between a hidden system of college football coach evaluation and the college football paying public. They try to convince you they are a true talent evaluation company but they really are just information conjugators taking information they do have and passing on in a different form to the public and acting if they are the originating source. They can't publicly tell you they aren't really good at talent evaluation because that's what they purport to be with all those stars. They can tell me every day that they evaluate talent all day long but I know its not true but I don't blame them for it because I know what they do provide is pretty valuable to a fan like me. Even as imperfect as they are they tell me about players name, location, height, weight offers, highlights, where they are visiting, where they may be leaning and how my school is involved with who. They throw in a 'star' rating but I really don't care about that because all I really want to know is the other stuff.
Steven Clark had more stars but more importantly had at least SU and Florida offers so that tells me more than 'stars'. Robert Washington was a great talent, anyone who watched his film could tell that. The issue with Robert Washington wasn't his talent (or number of stars) Its because of his home life was falling apart and he had no adult mentor to help him through the important decisions of life. If anyone read all those articles he was one confused kid. I was concerned for him. So yes very talented kids will not all succeed for many reasons beyond what their physical talents will take them.
True!!!! But Robert Washington wasn't a superstar when he hit the field at UNC Charlotte.
I couldn't give two hoots about the stars. We just went 10-3 with a low ranked team, star-wise, and could have gone 12-1 with a little luck and a bit more depth of the same level. There were a lot of teams with higher ranked recruits that would love to have had our season. as long as Dino does what he does, I don't care...just get players that do what he needs them to do.
From what I know, and have seen since, the problem was more with Robert than his father. The only one who caused his home life to fall apart was Robert.
But i always feel sorry for a kid who throws away great opportunities. Hope he matures and grows and can be a productive member of society. Its still really surprising to me that Moe Neal and Apri have already had better college playing careers than Superstar Robert.
A few years back I mentioned to my buddy that we finally are successfully recruiting better players, players that look like D1 athletes. Bigger, Faster, Stronger, Taller.
I will take our coaches over the services any day.
Indeed. Fine players, but they may participate in less of the grading process. I'm not going to be surprised if they get Viellieux right, though. He has traction early. (Many Canadien's do not-regardless of ability).
By giving someone a 3 star and another a 4 star, the services aren't saying one player sucks and the other player is great. You're blaming the services for something they aren't doing. They are a repository of information not a talent identification organization, no matter what they try to portray.
That's exactly the point though. They claim to be a talent identification organization, and that's how they are primarily viewed by fans.
I just think its so obvious they aren't a good talent identification organization that no matter what they say we all shouldn't be so innocent. It's basically a straw-man's argument.
