Red

[Scooch]

His only saving grace at this point is Melo, the incoming class, SU having g to come up with 20 million plus for the settlement and his buyout. Obviously Red's coaching this year isn't the reason he probably gets year 3. It's Melo and it's money.

Do you know for sure that the staff buyout is $20M? Or are you guessing, like you did with Melo's involvement next season?

 

[kcsu]

No way it would cost 20 million to get rid of him.
Nobody in the world would of negotiated such a contract,Red had zero leverage.

The 20 million isn't for Red. It's the settlement amount for past and current NCAA players. You can easily Google it.

 

[23Zone]

The old adage pay me now or pay me later is applicable here. Fans will not be going to games if we continue to suck. Apathy already has set in for 75 percent of us

 

[Scooch]

The 20 million isn't for Red. It's the settlement amount for past and current NCAA players. You can easily Google it.

You can't lump those things together. SU has been preparing for their direct player payment fund for quite some time.

Do you know specifically what Red's buyout is? If not, don't present them together.

 

[Newhouser]

The buyout isn’t $20m - that’s upcoming payment to the players as part of the revenue settlement. Red’s buyout isn’t publicly known nor is his contract.

Frankly in the bigger picture our rumored struggle to fund the 20 million is a much larger concern than Red's ineptness.

I would be curious to know what other P4 schools are struggling with finding 20 million.

 

[oldpinepoint]

You can't lump those things together. SU has been preparing for their direct player payment fund for quite some time.

Do you know specifically what Red's buyout is? If not, don't present them together.

Even more reason to get rid of him if revenue is dropping

 

[RF2044]

You can't lump those things together. SU has been preparing for their direct player payment fund for quite some time.

Do you know specifically what Red's buyout is? If not, don't present them together.

I think the pattern here is rationalization based upon <REASONS>.

 

[Cusefan0307]

KCSU is the Jim Cramer of the message board. Anything he says believe the opposite.

 

[Sherman20]

No way it would cost 20 million to get rid of him.
Nobody in the world would of negotiated such a contract,Red had zero leverage.

The $20 million is for the NCAA settlement, not Red’s buyout.

 

[Nicknack]

I hate to say this, I REALLY do, but if I were Melo, I don't think I'd allow my son to come here if Red comes back another year. I wouldn't want to take a chance that my son starts his first year on a dumpster fire coached and constructed team and then second year has to start with another new coach. That could really muck up Kiyan's development and future dreams. I might be okay with him coming to cuse if Red goes after this year because at least the new coach couldn't be any worse and would be here for at least the next 2-3 years of Kiyan's college career.

 

[Sherman20]

The 20 million isn't for Red. It's the settlement amount for past and current NCAA players. You can easily Google it.

And that’s something the university will be paying, as it’s their and other NCAA university’s negligence that caused this.

 

[Cusefan95]

Yikes. Wonder if the kid in the suit is going to get in trouble for having that photo taken.

I have a picture of Otto and my wife double fisted with wine at a Syracuse booster event from 5-6 years ago. She picked up the wine after Otto was already posed - moments after I took the photo a handler came over and told me I could keep the picture but DO NOT post to social media since they don’t want Otto in photos with alcohol. I have honored that request, I remain the only person with that photo. (No, I will not share it here).

Wouldn’t shock me if Otto posed, then the guy put the bag on quickly before the photo and then posted. If that’s how this went down, that’s really on the fan for posting it - I think the only question for the kid in Otto is if they knew the fan had a bag on their head or if they got taken advantage of.

 

[kcsu]

You can't lump those things together. SU has been preparing for their direct player payment fund for quite some time.

Do you know specifically what Red's buyout is? If not, don't present them together.

I have no idea what Red's buyout is. Yes of course, all expenses are the same. The university owes the money. Specifically, the athletic department needs to come up with the funds for the following if they were to happen.

20 m NCAA settlement
Reds Buyout
Staff Buyout
New Coach
New Staff.

That is a lot of money for a small private school. My two cents is that if the school was willing to keep Dino on so they didn't have to pay his buyout I bet they will keep Red on for another year as well. Especially given all of the other expenses they are facing.

 

[JustPherU]

The 20 million isn't for Red. It's the settlement amount for past and current NCAA players. You can easily Google it.

Ok my bad,I thought we were talking about Red.
Whatever Red’s buyout is we can’t afford not to get rid of him.How much do you think it will cost the university to have a clown show of a basketball program for a few more years?

 

[Cuseball]

I have no idea what Red's buyout is. Yes of course, all expenses are the same. The university owes the money. Specifically, the athletic department needs to come up with the funds for the following if they were to happen.

20 m NCAA settlement
Reds Buyout
Staff Buyout
New Coach
New Staff.

That is a lot of money for a small private school. My two cents is that if the school was willing to keep Dino on so they didn't have to pay his buyout I bet they will keep Red on for another year as well. Especially given all of the other expenses they are facing.

wildhack and crew will need to do the calculations.

Buyout cost of red and staff vs loss of revenue for attendance, concessions and eroding of further goodwill of the program. the eroding of goodwill and long term damage from another year of red would be the most difficult to calculate.

Autry is obviously a poor coach and not the answer so its all about $

 

[oldpinepoint]

I have no idea what Red's buyout is. Yes of course, all expenses are the same. The university owes the money. Specifically, the athletic department needs to come up with the funds for the following if they were to happen.

20 m NCAA settlement
Reds Buyout
Staff Buyout
New Coach
New Staff.

That is a lot of money for a small private school. My two cents is that if the school was willing to keep Dino on so they didn't have to pay his buyout I bet they will keep Red on for another year as well. Especially given all of the other expenses they are facing.

I will say there is a difference in that we are cratering hard to bottom. Dino was in year 5 and 6, and had been stagnant for a few years. I’m Sure JW has the pulse of the boosters, and season ticket holders and will do the right thing. I truly think the cost of keeping him another year is greater than getting rid of him but I have no inside knowledge. What would happen if we had 5k less season ticket holders, what would they do to the bottom line.

 

[Newhouser]

Does the concession money go directly to athletics or to a Dome fund?

 

[kcsu]

Ok my bad,I thought we were talking about Red.
Whatever Red’s buyout is we can’t afford not to get rid of him.How much do you think it will cost the university to have a clown show of a basketball program for a few more years?

Less than it cost to keep Dino

 

[Scooch]

I have no idea what Red's buyout is. Yes of course, all expenses are the same. The university owes the money. Specifically, the athletic department needs to come up with the funds for the following if they were to happen.

20 m NCAA settlement
Reds Buyout
Staff Buyout
New Coach
New Staff.

That is a lot of money for a small private school. My two cents is that if the school was willing to keep Dino on so they didn't have to pay his buyout I bet they will keep Red on for another year as well. Especially given all of the other expenses they are facing.

It’s not the same because the money comes from different budgets. And again, SU has been preparing to fund the direct student payments for quite some time now.

With your business experience you know how this works. Cuts can be made in one area while budgets increase in another. Happens every day.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Dino was stagnant; Red is basketball GRob and we will be lucky to make the ACC Tournament. The school will be hemorrhaging huge amounts of attendance dollars from killing the golden goose. Canning Red is far cheaper than retaining him in the long run. How long, and how much financial pain the admins are willing to deal with up front, is the question.

Folks need to remember that the pitchforks are not out because of mediocrity. The program is all but destroyed. This is 2000s football level bad.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I hate to say this, I REALLY do, but if I were Melo, I don't think I'd allow my son to come here if Red comes back another year. I wouldn't want to take a chance that my son starts his first year on a dumpster fire coached and constructed team and then second year has to start with another new coach. That could really muck up Kiyan's development and future dreams. I might be okay with him coming to cuse if Red goes after this year because at least the new coach couldn't be any worse and would be here for at least the next 2-3 years of Kiyan's college career.

Thats a good point, a minority of posters say you have to bring him back because of the recruiting class/Melo. And I asked to play it out, say they improve to 17/18 wins, no Tournament, do you continue to bring Red back so they don't transfer? No, you cant continue to make your head coaching decision based on a recruit or player(s) on the team. You base it on the performance of the coach, the W/Ls.

The reasoning by some here is clueless.

 

[Cuse117]

Frankly in the bigger picture our rumored struggle to fund the 20 million is a much larger concern than Red's ineptness.

I would be curious to know what other P4 schools are struggling with finding 20 million.

Just the other ones run by complete morons.

 

[Jack_Ball]

I will say there is a difference in that we are cratering hard to bottom. Dino was in year 5 and 6, and had been stagnant for a few years. I’m Sure JW has the pulse of the boosters, and season ticket holders and will do the right thing. I truly think the cost of keeping him another year is greater than getting rid of him but I have no inside knowledge. What would happen if we had 5k less season ticket holders, what would they do to the bottom line.

My guesstimate calculation is between $8-10M

 

[RF2044]

Dino was stagnant; Red is basketball GRob and we will be lucky to make the ACC Tournament. The school will be hemorrhaging huge amounts of attendance dollars from killing the golden goose. Canning Red is far cheaper than retaining him in the long run. How long, and how much financial pain the admins are willing to deal with up front, is the question.

Folks need to remember that the pitchforks are not out because of mediocrity. The program is all but destroyed. This is 2000s football level bad.

All true. The apathy is real.

Would be worse if he's brought back next year. I believe that he will be [barring an epic collapse this year, which certainly could happen].

 

[Fly Rodder]

Folks need to remember that the pitchforks are not out because of mediocrity. The program is all but destroyed.

Also some people on here can rationalize that JAB is responsible for the first 8 years of decline and Red only for this season and some of last season ... but that's not the perception of the majority of the fans as indicated by the cratering attendance and interest in SU basketball.