Regardless of who you blame, does anyone think Autry is a good coach?

[Bulldog04]

That was last year. But in his end of season press conference, JW said it was Red's decision if he wanted to add more coaches...and he didn't.

Oh sorry I misunderstood. Yeah I was surprised by that essential since he got permission… I think they were so focused on portal and NiL that they didn’t go down that road.

 

[chuck]

Every thread devolves into placing some blame elsewhere. The only question that really matters is Autry a good coach or even a mediocre coach? If your answer is yes then please share the things you believe he does well.

For transparency, I think he is not a good coach and is in the bottom tier of coaches we see patrolling the major conference sidelines. His best quality appears to be recruiting at the high school level. However, if we view that as a strength then his coaching and developmental ability would be deemed as a negative as the talent does not translate into results.

Frustrated with another wasted season but Go Cuse!

No. Hes never accomplished anything in coaching worth being a head basketball coach. Thats just facts!

 

[FloridaCuse]

Every thread devolves into placing some blame elsewhere. The only question that really matters is Autry a good coach or even a mediocre coach? If your answer is yes then please share the things you believe he does well.

For transparency, I think he is not a good coach and is in the bottom tier of coaches we see patrolling the major conference sidelines. His best quality appears to be recruiting at the high school level. However, if we view that as a strength then his coaching and developmental ability would be deemed as a negative as the talent does not translate into results.

Frustrated with another wasted season but Go Cuse!

No

 

[FloridaCuse]

Look what happened when Hofstra switched to zone.

We were absllute deer-in-the-headlights.

We burned numerous timeouts trying to stop the bleeding to no avail. Hofstra play zone sets regularly and it was in any basic scouting report on them. We should have been prepared for it and we looked anything but...

Our team finally coalesced with pure effort/will/athleticism to turn the tide late, but it was day-late, dollar-short...

Someone posted last night that he said in the presser that they knew what to do but they didn't execute it. Huh? Who's fault is that coach?

 

[FloridaCuse]

That was last year. But in his end of season press conference, JW said it was Red's decision if he wanted to add more coaches...and he didn't.

Was he unable to find someone good that he wanted but they didn't want to work for him? Or, did he not want to bring in anyone who might be viewed as better than him? What if ADJW wanted to fire him before the end of the season, who would he appoint as acting head coach? Would any of the current assistants qualify?

 

[Dcuse]

So you believe Red’s a good coach. I mean, it’s a position you can take. Own it and defend it, that’s what message boards are for.

I know it sounds crazy but I’m actually giving him to the end of the year. It sounds like you want him fired yesterday . How unique. There….I own it.

 

[Scooch]

I know it sounds crazy but I’m actually giving him to the end of the year. It sounds like you want him fired yesterday . How unique. There….I own it.

That’s not what it sounds like at all and I pushed back aggressively at the idea of firing him now. But don’t let your ranting get in the way of reading people’s posts and representing them fairly.

Personally, I don’t think he’s a particularly good coach. I actually think his bigger weakness is in the management of the program, rather than the player coaching aspect (not that he’s great at the latter). But CBB has a long history of mediocre game/scheme coaches who have success due to their recruiting and program management.

IMHO, giving him until the end of the year is a cop out. That’s about outcomes, not if you think he’s a good coach. You haven’t owned anything. He's been head coach for 75 games, you can share a perspective. Just don’t rip others for sharing their perspective if you’re not willing to share yours.

 

[orangepassion]

One thing I think he struggles with at times is having a feel for the game and adjusting based on that. A most recent example from the last game was when JJ was hot as the sun in the first half and he takes him out fairly early. JJ didn't regain it after he came back in the game. Would he have cooled off, anyway? Maybe, but I would have liked to ride him and find out. Nate Kingz being super hot in the first half a couple of games ago and not touching the ball in the second half is another example. You gotta recognize the hot hand and keep going to it until they cool off.

 

[llandz]

Isn't this the 3rd or 4th thread on this same topic basically?
OK. So looking at about the last 10 topics from today we have
1. This one (What do you think of the head coach)
2. Coach search options after Autry
3. Fire Red
4. Fire Autry (for those who don't know Red and Autry are the same person???)
5. Who Is In Control of this team on the court (Probably for those who want to discuss the head coach)
6. The head coach has been the issue since day 1. (Oh again, let's discuss the head coach)

 

[RF2044]

No.

Peter principle exemplified.

 

[PhatOrange]

We’ll never know because his first job should’ve never been an ACC program let alone P4. He should’ve learned how to be a head coach at a lower level program. It’s not even his fault though, cause Wildhack should’ve cleaned house and hired someone outside. You can’t promote a guy who was part of the downfall.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

You are right That was 9 years ago he left though and I was talking in most recent time

Red running practice corresponds to the decline in SU basketball. The stuff isn’t that difficult to diagnose.

 

[sufan59]

Isn't this the 3rd or 4th thread on this same topic basically?
OK. So looking at about the last 10 topics from today we have
1. This one (What do you think of the head coach)
2. Coach search options after Autry
3. Fire Red
4. Fire Autry (for those who don't know Red and Autry are the same person???)
5. Who Is In Control of this team on the court (Probably for those who want to discuss the head coach)
6. The head coach has been the issue since day 1. (Oh again, let's discuss the head coach)

It will probably get worse in the volume of the threads if the situation isn’t taken control of by the athletic department or the moderators here (just a joke here moderators), though the volume of threads here just exemplifies the current situation which is great discontent from a sector of the most passionate fans. Though the AD doesn’t and shouldn’t make decisions on this based solely on the amount of threads are made for a particular topic. Consider the volume of the threads, the attendance in the dome, and pretty much everyone seeing where this is going barring what is probably a miracle. It’s been well communicated that the university will not show a card at all until the end of the season. However, it would honestly be the most courageous action this athletic department has ever done to take a proactive approach in this situation that is toxic. It pretty much has been toxic, but rightfully there has been good excuses on things that needed to improve to keep the engine going a little while longer hoping for a course correction. We’re in for needing a miracle to turn this around in a good way permanently for Red, but you can’t operate on hoping for miracles. I think once ACC play starts the time to be proactive on this is over and you wait until the end of the season. There is this small, very small window to make a courageous move now and see if Dan can spark consistency with what they are trying to do for ACC play. Overall, it’s a horrible situation, especially for someone as beloved as Red and someone that at least I can look beyond the game results and know he did a lot of good for this program over the years including even if it’s over, handing over a much better organization to the next guy than when he was handed the keys.

 

[albanycuse]

He didn’t even know when to use a time out his first season as coach. He’s not that much better with them now. He’s embarrassingly bad. I really can’t even believe it. X’s and O’s forget about it. They’re complex math equations to him. Been time to go coach, bye bye!

 

[grepal]

Every thread devolves into placing some blame elsewhere. The only question that really matters is Autry a good coach or even a mediocre coach? If your answer is yes then please share the things you believe he does well.

For transparency, I think he is not a good coach and is in the bottom tier of coaches we see patrolling the major conference sidelines. His best quality appears to be recruiting at the high school level. However, if we view that as a strength then his coaching and developmental ability would be deemed as a negative as the talent does not translate into results.

Frustrated with another wasted season but Go Cuse!

Look he is good enough for decorated alumnus to trust his son to. He was good enough for JA B to keep as an assistant. We are all frustrated but let's see how the season plays out.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Every thread devolves into placing some blame elsewhere. The only question that really matters is Autry a good coach or even a mediocre coach? If your answer is yes then please share the things you believe he does well.

For transparency, I think he is not a good coach and is in the bottom tier of coaches we see patrolling the major conference sidelines. His best quality appears to be recruiting at the high school level. However, if we view that as a strength then his coaching and developmental ability would be deemed as a negative as the talent does not translate into results.

Frustrated with another wasted season but Go Cuse!

He is clearly not JB but few are, few have been and few will be.

Unfortunately for him, that is the standard he is held to and only an elite few can match, or exceed, it.

Could he become a good coach if given time? TBD.

Now that he has better players, the defense, for the most part, is eons better than it has been for a long time. That is a positive.

The rest is all up in the air.

IMHO, it took JB 20 years to really become an elite coach. Autry is in year 3.

JB was also really good right out of the gate. Autry? Not so much.

But, unless we poach an established top-of-the-line coach from another program, that is the game of Russian roulette we will be playing with each new hire.

 

[RedtheGOB]

It will probably get worse in the volume of the threads if the situation isn’t taken control of by the athletic department or the moderators here (just a joke here moderators), though the volume of threads here just exemplifies the current situation which is great discontent from a sector of the most passionate fans. Though the AD doesn’t and shouldn’t make decisions on this based solely on the amount of threads are made for a particular topic. Consider the volume of the threads, the attendance in the dome, and pretty much everyone seeing where this is going barring what is probably a miracle. It’s been well communicated that the university will not show a card at all until the end of the season. However, it would honestly be the most courageous action this athletic department has ever done to take a proactive approach in this situation that is toxic. It pretty much has been toxic, but rightfully there has been good excuses on things that needed to improve to keep the engine going a little while longer hoping for a course correction. We’re in for needing a miracle to turn this around in a good way permanently for Red, but you can’t operate on hoping for miracles. I think once ACC play starts the time to be proactive on this is over and you wait until the end of the season. There is this small, very small window to make a courageous move now and see if Dan can spark consistency with what they are trying to do for ACC play. Overall, it’s a horrible situation, especially for someone as beloved as Red and someone that at least I can look beyond the game results and know he did a lot of good for this program over the years including even if it’s over, handing over a much better organization to the next guy than when he was handed the keys.

I don't think Dan or the assistants are the answer. Autry needs to recognize what he and his current staff are doing is not good enough.

Get someone in to shake up the offense and free throw shooting, and subs. Leave the press, 3/4 pressure and defense with Autry, he seems to actually have an idea with what he's at least trying to do.

16 days until Clemson.

 

[MikeSU02]

Every thread devolves into placing some blame elsewhere. The only question that really matters is Autry a good coach or even a mediocre coach? If your answer is yes then please share the things you believe he does well.

For transparency, I think he is not a good coach and is in the bottom tier of coaches we see patrolling the major conference sidelines. His best quality appears to be recruiting at the high school level. However, if we view that as a strength then his coaching and developmental ability would be deemed as a negative as the talent does not translate into results.

Frustrated with another wasted season but Go Cuse!

Is he a good head coach? Maybe in some scenario, but at this time and for this program, he is not.

I know there were extenuating circumstances when he was chosen to be HC and that's just the way the cookie crumbles. I know it was messy, we had been entrenched in mediocrity for a while and excitement around the program had waned.

I also get that being the HC at Syracuse comes with a lot of responsibility and following a guy who has the court named after him, is in the HoF and has a title is never easy.

And he should be commended for the defensive improvement, the quality of players we have and getting that win over Tennessee and the fight we put up against Houston this year. No doubt.

But results matter. Especially in year three. We are dead last in FT% out of 365 teams. We are in the 300s in 3PT%. We are 75th in KenPom and 92nd in Net.

We are 6-4 with a loss to Hofstra at home where we were like 11 point favorites. We had trouble with Monmouth who is 233rd in KP and 225 in Net. We had trouble with St Joes who is not a good team. The latter two I could understand because teams trip up early in the season but still win a game that is tough that shouldn't be on paper. It happens. But it's looking more indicative of where we are as a team.

I'm looking at our schedule and you start looking at the teams that we play and their HCs. How many of those teams would trade their HC for Red?

So right now, I do not think Red is a good coach. At least not for us in this current situation. And it's too bad, because having an alum who was on JB's staff would be a wonderful story to have.

And, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Donnie comes back and we win like 15 ACC games and I'll have to eat crow. But wouldn't bet on it.

 

[Cuse4403]

Isn't this the 3rd or 4th thread on this same topic basically?
OK. So looking at about the last 10 topics from today we have
1. This one (What do you think of the head coach)
2. Coach search options after Autry
3. Fire Red
4. Fire Autry (for those who don't know Red and Autry are the same person???)
5. Who Is In Control of this team on the court (Probably for those who want to discuss the head coach)
6. The head coach has been the issue since day 1. (Oh again, let's discuss the head coach)

This board could be run a lot better. For all of the moderation that I have experienced, it wouldn't be difficult to clean things up. There should be a thread for each player, the head coach, each game (pre/in game and post). Most posts should fall into one of those main topics.

I am not sure why there needs to be a post game thread and then new threads discussing certain plays, fouls or non fouls, and how individual posters felt about that game.

Instead of deleting posts critical of players and/or coaches more time should be used to move posts into their proper threads. This probably won't be a popular response, but oh well. As you noted, the same conversation is happening in 20 different places.

 

[Sherman20]

That was last year. But in his end of season press conference, JW said it was Red's decision if he wanted to add more coaches...and he didn't.

Exactly. And Englestad didn’t seem to light the world on fire last season.

 

[Sherman20]

I know it sounds crazy but I’m actually giving him to the end of the year. It sounds like you want him fired yesterday . How unique. There….I own it.

As much as I’ve lost nearly all my faith that Red can get this turned around, I’m giving it til the end of the season (unless the wheels fall off) to see how it unfolds, especially if we can get Donnie back. But I just don’t think he has the chops to scheme and coach a modern basketball offense, which was Hop’s failing as well. I do appreciate what Red has been able to do to improve the defense this season. Hopefully it holds up over the course of the season. We’re just some missed free throws away from being 8-2 with two top 25 wins.

 

[tipphill]

what specifically does he do or not do that informs people to say he isn’t? The only two things I can speak on are his substitution patterns at times make no sense and he waits too long to call TO when the other team goes on a run. We don’t know how he’s coaching behind the scenes .

Cannot get his team up to play a mediocre team. His last quote said it all re they can't coach that way. He says just play your best game. Seriously

 

[Eric15]

Kiyan's free throw shooting just confuses my brain. Probably more so than any other SU player I've ever watched. He has a very pure and natural shooting form. It's incomprehensible that he seems to make 1 out of 2 every single time he steps to the line.

 

[CardiacCuse]

That would explain a lot actually... the offense at Syracuse didn't all of the sudden get so bad. They are running the same "sets" they always have, but with much much worse offenslve players.

I'll say what I said again.. Autry could eventually become a really solid coach, but he needs probably about 5 years to get there. Unfortunately with the way the last decade of JB went down Autry has ZERO margin for error so he's (deservedly) out after this year if things go the way they are looking.

autry really shouldve done what gmac did...cut his teeth at a mid major and when ready come back to SU...i personally think if you gave him 3 or 5 more years, he would get there eventually

he really is still learning and figuring the HC job out, 3 years in...this isnt a "learn on the job" program...well, at least it shouldnt be

i think red knows the score...he knows hes not quite at the level he needs to be...but of course admitting it would get him fired...so he hides it...he puts on a front...and thats a big reason why he draws so much ire...its not endearing to see a coach try to revive a program and stutter

hes in a pickle...but still...seeing someone who is in a bit over his head hang on for dear life and seemingly maneuver into keeping those checks rolling in...it just cant sit well with fans.

does autry think he is indeed the equal of his coaching counterparts?

does he simply not care about that and just want to keep being the coach as long as he can?

pretty low odds if this doesnt work out he will ever get an equal or better job in the future

 

[OrangeFoo]

autry really shouldve done what gmac did...cut his teeth at a mid major and when ready come back to SU...i personally think if you gave him 3 or 5 more years, he would get there eventually

he really is still learning and figuring the HC job out, 3 years in...this isnt a "learn on the job" program...well, at least it shouldnt be

i think red knows the score...he knows hes not quite at the level he needs to be...but of course admitting it would get him fired...so he hides it...he puts on a front...and thats a big reason why he draws so much ire...its not endearing to see a coach try to revive a program and stutter

hes in a pickle...but still...seeing someone who is in a bit over his head hang on for dear life and seemingly maneuver into keeping those checks rolling in...it just cant sit well with fans.

does autry think he is indeed the equal of his coaching counterparts?

does he simply not care about that and just want to keep being the coach as long as he can?

pretty low odds if this doesnt work out he will ever get an equal or better job in the future

This seems like a very unfair post... while Autry isn't making $5mm+ he is making enough money that he never has to worry about working again if he doesn't want to. Who in their right mind would voluntarily quit a job when they are making so much especially if they are on a contract that would allow them to force a buyout?

Also as a former high level athlete, I'm sure Autry thinks he is equal to his coaching counterparts and the team is just "this far" away from being really good. People like that aren't wired to think they aren't good enough, if they had doubts they would never have gotten there in the first place

It's up to the people above Autry to do what is best for the program... it's up to Autry to do what is best for himself.