Rewatched the game four times now

[BuffOrange]

They definitely foul nearly every time they hedge that ball screen & it's somehow never called. But I thought we got away with some contact underneath on their bigs. So whatever.
We do need to hire a block/charge consultant - seems mathematically impossible to get 10% of those calls your way over a multi-year stretch.

 

[CaliCuse]

Where is the replay?

I presume you are kidding but if you aren't you really need to get a DVR! The bestIMO is the Genie that you get with Direct TV.Able to record multiple shows at once is great when the new shows air for all the networks.

 

[OttoMets]

I thought the officiating was pretty good in that game, although it's not easy to tell by watching on TV. You can't win on playing good defense if the refs call touch fouls. Just IMHO.

What's your take on the hard hedge where the Virginia player makes contact and drives the ball-handler toward midcourt?

 

[Cowtown]

What's your take on the hard hedge where the Virginia player makes contact and drives the ball-handler toward midcourt?

Three concepts apply to that play: first, the defense is allowed to "play," too. Second, "the player with the ball must expect to be closely guarded." That means you do not have to give him "time and distance" or in other words, one step. When the defender hedges the pick & roll play, often times the contact is initiated by the player with the ball - especially if the hedging player establishes position first (got there first, both feet on the floor, facing the ball handler), and the contact occurs "in the numbers." Third: for once the defender establishes position, he can move to maintain it.

That being said, it's an ugly play that annoys me. I'm guessing the reason so few teams actually dump the ball to the screening player off that is that they send lugs with really bad hands or no ball handling skills out to the perimeter to screen in the first place. Screen/pick and roll is the definitive basketball play, but size, speed and strength seem to have eclipsed skill around it anymore. I mean, if you're an SU fan or coach, do you want BMK or DC on the perimeter with the ball in triple threat, deciding whether to drive or shoot?

And although it's an ugly play, it gets handled evenly at each end, so it's fair if nothing else.

edit: The NBA plays with its own rule book, and the way they handle that play disgusts me, which is among the reasons I rarely watch it anymore.

 

[Crusty]

I presume you are kidding but if you aren't you really need to get a DVR! The bestIMO is the Genie that you get with Direct TV.Able to record multiple shows at once is great when the new shows air for all the networks.

I would only forget to program it!

 

[CaliCuse]

I would only forget to program it!

In the case of Direct TZV if you set up your favorites e. g. Syracuse ,it will record autoatically.

 

[Ghost]

They definitely foul nearly every time they hedge that ball screen & it's somehow never called. But I thought we got away with some contact underneath on their bigs. So whatever.
We do need to hire a block/charge consultant - seems mathematically impossible to get 10% of those calls your way over a multi-year stretch.

I don't think they foul every time - at times they beat the guy to the spot (which seems like a legit hedge) but as you say it does seem like they fail to establish position quite often, and just end up hip-checking the dribbler back toward half-court endlessly during the recovery. It's hockey at that point. No clue why they don't call those. I always felt that way about the Pitt moving screens though. I'm clearly missing something.

Cowtown's explanation is as good as any though! I still think there is a difference between when the defender beats the dribbler to the spot (good hedge), and when he just rides him out.

 

[Cowtown]

I still think there is a difference between when the defender beats the dribbler to the spot (good hedge), and when he just rides him out.

I don't disagree with that. At the top, the NBA doesn't want a foul called on that play so there isn't one (unless of course it's like a pulling guard scraping a linebacker on a sweep). Their officials are told very clearly what they can call, and more importantly cannot. So, if somewhat inadvertently, that percolates down into the NCAA where it gets called sometimes, but not often. In HS here, we don't see that play much, if at all. And some of the problem comes from the fact the player with the ball almost never reverses his dribble there, and instead keeps driving where he should have seen he can't go.

 

[reedny]

It's not that they screwed Virginia, it's that Virginia hacks and pushes and when it was finally getting called, they didn't know what to do.

I think UVA' defense is much better than Pitt's, but this (surprise at getting called out) is exactly why Pitt does so poorly in the tournament every year.

 

[Ghost]

I don't disagree with that. At the top, the NBA doesn't want a foul called on that play so there isn't one (unless of course it's like a pulling guard scraping a linebacker on a sweep). Their officials are told very clearly what they can call, and more importantly cannot. So, if somewhat inadvertently, that percolates down into the NCAA where it gets called sometimes, but not often. In HS here, we don't see that play much, if at all. And some of the problem comes from the fact the player with the ball almost never reverses his dribble there, and instead keeps driving where he should have seen he can't go.

It's tough, I'm rewatching the game and trying to judge that stuff a little closer this time. They are difficult calls. I think UVA overall does a great job, the first possession of the game the first two hedges are perfect and our guy readily retreats. On the third you have contact with G.

I wouldn't call that one a particularly bad one considering some that follow later in the half though - and I wouldn't call that one a foul either fwiw. He's probably beating him to the spot in that instance. It does seem like it's akin to just running straight in front of the dribbler on a fast break from a side angle though, taking the hit, and then saying, "whooops, no foul. I hedged in front of you!" lol

I still see some that seem like obvious fouls, but your point is well taken.

 

[kmart128]

Do refs change ends during the game or halftime. Seemed like they don't but not sure.

Seems like the ref under basket closest to Virginias bench didn't call anything. While the ref on the other side called it much better and called clear fouls. It's still fair to both teams cause both teams had to play offense on each side of court once. Just an observation I made.

 

[Cowtown]

Do refs change ends during the game or halftime. Seemed like they don't but not sure.

Seems like the ref under basket closest to Virginias bench didn't call anything. While the ref on the other side called it much better and called clear fouls. It's still fair to both teams cause both teams had to play offense on each side of court once. Just an observation I made.

Sorry, didn't see this until today. There's a lot more going on with "the third team on the floor" than most realize.

In both two-man and three-man. they change after every foul called. In two-man, they simply switch ends. In three-man, the ref who called the foul always goes to "away," which means away from the scorer's table. Most often it's to middle or trail.

In two-man, lead usually makes more calls because he's closer to the basket. So when lead gets a foul call, he moves to the scorer's table to record it, and then stays at trail. While he's doing this, his partner moves to lead to administer the throw-in or the free-throws.

In two-man there are six sections on the floor. Lead's primary zone is the lane, and the section below the lane all the way to the sideline to which he's closest. Trail has the third section below the foul line, and all three above it.

Slide 12 below will show you the primary zones in three man. (the IAABO document refers to C or "center" what we call "middle").

During the course of play, when the ball moves from one side of the floor to the other, lead mirrors the ball, and middle and trail switch, albeit on opposite sides of the floor. But not always right away. Often times the ball comes right back and you don't want to "chase" it. So middle and trail key off lead's movement.

http://iaaboboard193.com/pdf/2010-11ThreePersonMechanics.pdf

 

[CaliCuse]

What types of food did you eat?

Chips!!