Rick Barnes out at Texas, in at Tennessee

[suttree]

Marshall, Smart or Buzz Williams.

I've lived in Austin for 18 of the last 22 years, including the last 15+. I've always been amazed at how weak the support is for the hoops program, and how quickly the following falters if things don't go right. I have some friends who are really devoted, but overall, the rankings of this school go as follows:

1. Football
2. Football
3. Football
4. Football
...
14a. Basketball
14b. Baseball

I'm a bit let down because Barnes seems like a good guy, and I really wanted him to succeed. I try to leave famous people alone, but the dude literally couldn't have been nicer when I approached him a few years ago at a local grocery store (I was wearing an SU hat and told him I'd been watching him through the Prov. and Clemson days, and he was very friendly/appreciative and jokingly asked if I could convince JB to schedule UT for an OOC game outside NYS). I know that many say that he has done less with more than just about anybody in high Div. I, and those arguments are tough to refute. If you think you've heard cracks on JB just rolling the ball out there and relying on defense as his calling card, you should've seen this program under Barnes. Hard to understand how it happened, but it looks like he lost this team--and I think expectations were so high with an early-season ranking in the top 10 that the fans, boosters, and administration just regarded this as the last straw.

But the guy brought UT to 16 NCAA tourneys in 17 years--as many bids as the program had gotten in its entire pre-Barnes history. Seems like a careful-what-you-ask-for proposition. Pasqualoni's fairly consistent bowl trips weren't good enough for SU, but we've spent a lot of years in the wilderness since giving him the old heave-ho.

FWIW, I think Marshall will be Priority No. 1. I know a guy who's pretty big on the inside, and he didn't think Smart was the right fit. Please, please, please don't let it be Curly.

 

[longislandcuse]

Why does crowd size make the job any better if the resources are no better? If anything, especially coming off NCAA sanctions and a HOF coach it creates a pressure cooker that impedes success.

Wherever you coach at a top level and want to be successful you have to be immensely driven to succeed. Some people equate not wanting to work at a pressure cooker or school with manic fan interest as not being driven to succeed. It's a false premise in my view.

At the end of the day, I think Texas is a great underrated job. Syracuse is still a great job and we will get a good coach who is hopefully the right fit post JB.

So you're basically saying Texas is a better coaching job than Syracuse if the coach is kind of a p***y and only cares about money.

 

[jncuse]

So you're basically saying Texas is a better coaching job than Syracuse if the coach is kind of a p***y and only cares about money.

You have equated not working at the highest fan interest school as not wanting to win and being all about money. Those factors are often impediments to winning. Just look at Indiana.

Resources = I am not talking about money (you will get paid either way. I am talking about resources from the school to help your team win... help your team recruit, get the coaches you want, get the facilities you want. I think a good coach will find it a tad easier to recruit at Texas... at the same type they should po

But as a coach, not having a noose around my neck to start the job is a reason why I may pick another job that will get me that success I need. You call that being a Puss, I call that being a human.

 

[rrlbees]

Why does crowd size make the job any better if the resources are no better? If anything, especially coming off NCAA sanctions and a HOF coach it creates a pressure cooker that impedes success. Some people equate not wanting to work at a pressure cooker or school with manic fan interest as not being driven to succeed. It's a false premise in my view. People that are driven to win, are looking where they can get the resources and the framework they need for the program to get success. Number of fans does not really play into that in all places. At the end of the day, I think Texas is a great underrated job. Syracuse is still a great job and we will get a good coach who is hopefully the right fit post JB.

It's not just crowd size. That was one of several things. I just don't see Texas as the better job.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Money, facilities, recruiting turf, and a conference that has one real threat to you.

 

[jncuse]

It's not just crowd size. That was one of several things. I just don't see Texas as the better job.

I think both jobs are in the top tier or second tier (Depending on how small your top tier is). This isn't the situation where one job is a tier above the other, so I can see multiple opinions on this.

I also think that some coaches feel they need that really high pressure market to drive them to succeed and get the best out of themselves. It can go both ways

 

[jncuse]

Anyway, enough of this thread.

Go Irish!

 

[Madbiker]

Mark Titus ‏@clubtrillion 3h3 hours ago
Tom Crean to Texas confirmed. RT @SportsCenter: BREAKING: Texas will fire Rick Barnes. Barnes made one Final Four in 17 years at UT.

Crean getting out ahead of the posse? Hahaha.

 

[Madbiker]

Nobody in Texas cares about basketball except maybe the 2 games against Kansas and only if its a slow news day about the football team.

 

[pearl31]

so wait... Crean????

 

[We Are Syracuse]

Finally they fire Barnes... Barnes left a lot to be desired... If I'm Shaka or Marshall I am fighting hard for that gig

 

[Alsacs]

Titus is trolling. No chance Texas hires Tom Crean. Titus is an Indiana native and likes IU after Ohio State. He wants Crean gone and thus is creating this stupid rumor. If I were Texas I would look at Gregg Marshall, Coach K from Utah, Cooley-Providence, and Smart-VCU.

They need energy and recruiting at Texas.

 

[Madbiker]

Titus is trolling. No chance Texas hires Tom Crean. Titus is an Indiana native and likes IU after Ohio State. He wants Crean gone and thus is creating this stupid rumor. If I were Texas I would look at Gregg Marshall, Coach K from Utah, Cooley-Providence, and Smart-VCU.

They need energy and recruiting at Texas.

Actually the Indiana AD gave Crean a vote of confidence yesterday. So I guess he isn't going anywhere.

 

[Alsacs]

Actually the Indiana AD gave Crean a vote of confidence yesterday. So I guess he isn't going anywhere.

He isn't going anywhere until Brad Stevens is ready to take that job. Indiana needs a Sweet 16 next year or I think Crean is gonzo.

 

[Madbiker]

Finally they fire Barnes... Barnes left a lot to be desired... If I'm Shaka or Marshall I am fighting hard for that gig

I read (can't remember where) that Smart wants the Wisconsin job when Bo Ryan retires. Smart grew up in Madison and has family there. He also would be interested in UNC when Williams retires. He seems content to wait.

 

[longtimefan]

I read (can't remember where) that Smart wants the Wisconsin job when Bo Ryan retires. Smart grew up in Madison and has family there. He also would be interested in UNC when Williams retires. He seems content to wait.

Bennett, also, may be interested in the Wisconsin job.

 

[longtimefan]

Titus is trolling. No chance Texas hires Tom Crean. Titus is an Indiana native and likes IU after Ohio State. He wants Crean gone and thus is creating this stupid rumor. If I were Texas I would look at Gregg Marshall, Coach K from Utah, Cooley-Providence, and Smart-VCU.

They need energy and recruiting at Texas.

After the backlash following the Charlie Strong hire, I'm guessing Cooley and Smart would not be high on the list.

 

[Ringostar57]

Marshall all the way.

 

[tbonezone]

barnes has been very successful tapping into the canadian pipeline.

 

[orangehomer]

they were saying that the highest football donors get the best basketball seats but they are changing that. talk about broken. that department has more money than god. if they pick the right coach look out, they could probably pay a bball coach 4x more than we could. people around here act like we are bullet proof post-JB. I don't see it that way at all.

 

[We Are Syracuse]

I read (can't remember where) that Smart wants the Wisconsin job when Bo Ryan retires. Smart grew up in Madison and has family there. He also would be interested in UNC when Williams retires. He seems content to wait.

Wisconsin plays the complete opposite of how he plays but I could see that... Shaka probably will wait he is getting great recruits at VCU... Would the very top prospects want to play that way?

 

[Full_Rebar]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas.../texas-coaching-job-opportunities-rick-barnes

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[pearl31]

 

[Cusester]

Football people should not be hiring basketball coaches obviously. What in the world are they thinking?