Rickie Collins

[Archbold44]

I think everyone needs to take a step back. Bad interception on Drive 1. Bad decision not to throw the ball away after Yasin's long run. But, if Yasin follows his blockers on the leap run, rather than cut left, he gets a TD run. If the Cook fumble had ignited the defense, rather than deflate it, we are still in the game. Second Cook fumble. And more. This was a team loss. ST play was terrible on returns.

I get the frustration over Rickie... but we have had a lot of worse talent back there over the years. Don McPherson did not compete for a Heisman before he was a senior, fyi.

I think we keep rolling Rickie out there for a few more weeks. Give him SMU and Pitt. If he cannot show progression by then, then perhaps we make a switch to try to beat Georgia Tech and UNC. But if there is a way to preserve Carney's redshirt, then I think that is the right thing to do. Williams should be QB3 until we get to game 10. And games 10 and 11 seem to be bad places to start a freshman.

 

[kcsu]

Hopefully Rickie makes a nice jump in his second game. Nixon will need to do a better job and of course decent field position will make all the difference in the world. Dont give up on Rickie. He has talent he is just very raw. I think that he gets next week and the following game. If at that point he is still struggeling we might see a change. With might being less than 50%

 

[HRE Otto IV]

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I think everyone needs to take a step back. Bad interception on Drive 1. Bad decision not to throw the ball away after Yasin's long run. But, if Yasin follows his blockers on the leap run, rather than cut left, he gets a TD run. If the Cook fumble had ignited the defense, rather than deflate it, we are still in the game. Second Cook fumble. And more. This was a team loss. ST play was terrible on returns.

I get the frustration over Rickie... but we have had a lot of worse talent back there over the years. Don McPherson did not compete for a Heisman before he was a senior, fyi.

I think we keep rolling Rickie out there for a few more weeks. Give him SMU and Pitt. If he cannot show progression by then, then perhaps we make a switch to try to beat Georgia Tech and UNC. But if there is a way to preserve Carney's redshirt, then I think that is the right thing to do. Williams should be QB3 until we get to game 10. And games 10 and 11 seem to be bad places to start a freshman.

If Angeli is healthy in 2026 or 2027, then Carney can redshirt then. We actually need him now, assuming he is any good. And if he is not, then who cares about a RS?

 

[capeorange]

People keep posting about his first drive. That was an outlier. It took dook that long to figure Rickie out and that he's a one look wonder. They shut him down. There easily could have been more interceptions. If he is unable to look off defenders, he needs to be replaced.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Irishsecra1]

Yes Angeli wasnt that great in his first start this year.
But he was miles ahead of Collins.
His offense scored 26 on Tenn who has a really good D.
Collins could not get even 3 points against a bad Duke D.
Even when the Duke second teamers were in he still couldnt get a TD.

Also very disappointed with his interview.
Took no real responsibility for his performance.
Talked a lot about us and them. Not really any I or me.
Definitely forgot the accountable part of DART.

 

[Eric15]

I think everyone needs to take a step back. Bad interception on Drive 1. Bad decision not to throw the ball away after Yasin's long run. But, if Yasin follows his blockers on the leap run, rather than cut left, he gets a TD run. If the Cook fumble had ignited the defense, rather than deflate it, we are still in the game. Second Cook fumble. And more. This was a team loss. ST play was terrible on returns.

I get the frustration over Rickie... but we have had a lot of worse talent back there over the years. Don McPherson did not compete for a Heisman before he was a senior, fyi.

I think we keep rolling Rickie out there for a few more weeks. Give him SMU and Pitt. If he cannot show progression by then, then perhaps we make a switch to try to beat Georgia Tech and UNC. But if there is a way to preserve Carney's redshirt, then I think that is the right thing to do. Williams should be QB3 until we get to game 10. And games 10 and 11 seem to be bad places to start a freshman.

Good post. This is exactly where I am, also.

 

[Archbold44]

Man... Williams in a free fall. Competing with Belin for QB3 (which is really QB4).

 

[Cuse On 3]

Your assumption is correct, he's unlikely to ever see the field here.

Referring to carney or jakhari?

 

[Archbold44]

People keep posting about his first drive. That was an outlier. It took dook that long to figure Rickie out and that he's a one look wonder. They shut him down. There easily could have been more interceptions. If he is unable to look off defenders, he needs to be replaced.

For those of us who remember Bill Hurley, Todd Norley, Mike Kmetz, Billy Scharr, etc... football is a funny game. We have been far worse QBs than Rickie carve us up. Rickie may carve up some team he has no business doing that to. Not predicting a win... just saying hold on a bit before jumping off any tall buildings.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

For those of us who remember Bill Hurley, Todd Norley, Mike Kmetz, Billy Scharr, etc... football is a funny game. We have been far worse QBs than Rickie carve us up. Rickie may carve up some team he has no business doing that to. Not predicting a win... just saying hold on a bit before jumping off any tall buildings.

Bob Mitch, Steve Peach, Greg Christodoulu, etc...

 

[Cuse On 3]

From what I have heard he just hasn't progressed to the point he could play at this level. Has not looked good in practice and I am not surprised Carney is ahead of him.

Ah okay, makes sense. Thanks

 

[sufandu]

Just Google it, that's not true

I looked at his high school espn recruitng profile. They had him listed as a pocket passer.

 

[Archbold44]

Bob Mitch, Steve Peach, Greg Christodoulu, etc...

Forgot about Peach and Christodulu. We had some lean years at QB. And some lean year QBs still won a few games here and there.

 

[MGraves5]

I think everyone needs to take a step back. Bad interception on Drive 1. Bad decision not to throw the ball away after Yasin's long run. But, if Yasin follows his blockers on the leap run, rather than cut left, he gets a TD run. If the Cook fumble had ignited the defense, rather than deflate it, we are still in the game. Second Cook fumble. And more. This was a team loss. ST play was terrible on returns.

I get the frustration over Rickie... but we have had a lot of worse talent back there over the years. Don McPherson did not compete for a Heisman before he was a senior, fyi.

I think we keep rolling Rickie out there for a few more weeks. Give him SMU and Pitt. If he cannot show progression by then, then perhaps we make a switch to try to beat Georgia Tech and UNC. But if there is a way to preserve Carney's redshirt, then I think that is the right thing to do. Williams should be QB3 until we get to game 10. And games 10 and 11 seem to be bad places to start a freshman.

I think we give Ricky the SMU game and if he performs similar to the way he played vs Duke. Have an open QB competition during the bye week. That way if a switch is going to be made at least they'd have a little more practice time to get ready. Would rather have a new qb start at home vs Pitt after a bye week, than on the road at Ga Tech.

 

[capeorange]

For those of us who remember Bill Hurley, Todd Norley, Mike Kmetz, Billy Scharr, etc... football is a funny game. We have been far worse QBs than Rickie carve us up. Rickie may carve up some team he has no business doing that to. Not predicting a win... just saying hold on a bit before jumping off any tall buildings.

I'm more than old enough to remember them and more, sigh.
But I'm not getting off the ledge today.
Our defense is just too bad. Our lowest scoring opponent was Holly Cross at 14 points. We've had to score more than 24 points in every game we've won and the vast majority were over 30 points with many close games.
I hope I'm wrong but I don't see Rickie carving anyone up.

 

[Archbold44]

I think we give Ricky the SMU game and if he performs similar to the way he played vs Duke. Have an open QB competition during the bye week. That way if a switch is going to be made at least they'd have a little more practice time to get ready. Would rather have a new qb start at home vs Pitt after a bye week, than on the road at Ga Tech.

Well, how about working in plays for Carney during the Pitt game, like how Marrone used Nassib when Paulus was QB1? "Rickie is our QB this year, stop asking" during the bye week... and then give some plays to Carney to see if he can move the team. Maybe even a drive if Rickie falters. Not sure how Pitt can devote time to preparing for a running QB with no tape on him at all and no expectation of him playing absent injury. And then, post-Pitt, future teams have to prepare for Carney and Rickie...

 

[Eric15]

I see Saturday as a big game for Fran. All the DART and not showering stuff is cute, but what I want him to show us is, can you calibrate a game plan that maximizes our chances of winning with the roster that we have. If that means a more run heavy offense, maybe some Wildcat, creative run plays to receivers to get them out in space, whatever. And the defense needs to take responsibility for themselves and play exactly like they did vs Clemson.

Two years ago Dino didn’t have a human on the roster who could play quarterback and we beat Pitt at Yankee Stadium using a completely outside the box game plan.

Fran doesn’t have it nearly that bad right now. Rickie came into the Clemson game totally cold, threw a TD pass, made some critical throws, and saved the game. The season is not over.

 

[Archbold44]

I'm more than old enough to remember them and more, sigh.
But I'm not getting off the ledge today.
Our defense is just too bad. Our lowest scoring opponent was Holly Cross at 14 points. We've had to score more than 24 points in every game we've won and the vast majority were over 30 points with many close games.
I hope I'm wrong but I don't see Rickie carving anyone up.

Our defense tackled well against Clemson and won. Our defense tackled poorly in every other game... and the scoreboard reflected it. We try way too hard for turnovers... and all it takes is a marginally legal hit like Cook was the victim of for the ball to pop out. If I had a nickel for every defender we have getting dragged for 3-4 yards trying to strip the ball.

It is all basics. Blocking. Tackling. Treasure the football. Move forward on offense, keep the offense from moving forward on defense. 2nd and 5 sucks, but 2nd and 2 is worse. Get him on the ground.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

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If Angeli is healthy in 2026 or 2027, then Carney can redshirt then. We actually need him now, assuming he is any good. And if he is not, then who cares about a RS?

To further expand on this...

In today's world a QB's redshirt will only matter if:

1. They are good enough to become QB1
2. They are never recruited over
3. They stay for a 5th year, never wanting to leave for another school or even the NFL Draft.

Is Carney good enough to eventually be QB1 (point #1)? If not, then who cares about a RS? Is he good enough to not be recruited over by someone from the 2026 or 2027 HS classes that Fran brings in (#2)? Or a portal QB for 2028 (also #2)? Will he be fine waiting until 2028 to be QB1, and/or never get homesick (#3)? If he is QB1 in 2028 will he be so good that he gets on Draft boards (also #3)? I doubt that one given his measurables.

So much has to happen for his RS to even come into play.

On top of that, playing more than 4 games as a true Frosh doesn't mean you cannot redshirt as a Soph or JR instead. What are the chances that Angeli will miss 5 games in 2026 and then miss 5 games again in 2027? Most likely QB2 will not be needed to the point that he cannot RS in 2026 or 2027.

IMO it is foolish to worry about a QB's RS when they can actually get legit playing time (ie not mop up duty).

If Carney has real potential, wouldn't he benefit from QB1 practice reps the last 8 weeks (6 games from Pitt on, 7 if we made a Bowl) of this season? If he doesn't have potential then he shouldn't play, in which case we shouldn't care anyway about his RS.

Again this is all assuming Collins vs SMU is the same Collins we saw vs Colgate and then vs Clemson and then vs Duke.

 

[Millhouse]

We are never going to have two good QBs
We usually don't have one
Who is going to sit here when you can transfer anywhere
This year is going to stink now and I'm not gonna hold it against brown because no one is going to succeed here with a back up QB

 

[bnoro]

I think everyone needs to take a step back. Bad interception on Drive 1. Bad decision not to throw the ball away after Yasin's long run. But, if Yasin follows his blockers on the leap run, rather than cut left, he gets a TD run. If the Cook fumble had ignited the defense, rather than deflate it, we are still in the game. Second Cook fumble. And more. This was a team loss. ST play was terrible on returns.

I get the frustration over Rickie... but we have had a lot of worse talent back there over the years. Don McPherson did not compete for a Heisman before he was a senior, fyi.

I think we keep rolling Rickie out there for a few more weeks. Give him SMU and Pitt. If he cannot show progression by then, then perhaps we make a switch to try to beat Georgia Tech and UNC. But if there is a way to preserve Carney's redshirt, then I think that is the right thing to do. Williams should be QB3 until we get to game 10. And games 10 and 11 seem to be bad places to start a freshman.

I agree with you. The Cook "fumble" changed the whole game.

But the non-scripted drive performance for the offense is a big worry for me going forward. Need to see some semblance of a competitive game next week.

 

[Archbold44]

I agree with you. The Cook "fumble" changed the whole game.

But the non-scripted drive performance for the offense is a big worry for me going forward. Need to see some semblance of a competitive game next week.

We'll see. When you get down, it changes the level of desperation. So the play calls are different because you want to score and score quickly. Clemson should have kept running the ball on us. Instead, they put it in Cade's hands to overthrow receivers, etc. Sometimes, you need to forget the score and score points. Forget how you get it there... get it there.

At some point, we should have shifted from winning the game to developing Rickie. He didn't get 4 quarters of Colgate. We might have to do the same this week. Or maybe we did. He is used to our defense, where I am sure screen plays for 12 yards 9 out of 10 times. Maybe we need to practice against 13 defenders to replicate what it is like against competent defenses. I don't know.

Different sets... Two RBs... two WRs... TE... make sure he gets time and have him go through simpler reads. One WR and then dump off to RB. He did a great fake against Clemson for that TD. He CAN do it. When he gets comfortable, then start bringing back our 3, 4, and 5 receiver packages. For the WRs... the best case scenario is the best Rickie Collins QB that they can get... it is worth some attention for a game to get him to his maximum productivity. And then the coaches have to spin this as the game plan for this week, rather than training wheels for Rickie.

 

[Oakland]

I think everyone needs to take a step back. Bad interception on Drive 1. Bad decision not to throw the ball away after Yasin's long run. But, if Yasin follows his blockers on the leap run, rather than cut left, he gets a TD run. If the Cook fumble had ignited the defense, rather than deflate it, we are still in the game. Second Cook fumble. And more. This was a team loss. ST play was terrible on returns.

I get the frustration over Rickie... but we have had a lot of worse talent back there over the years. Don McPherson did not compete for a Heisman before he was a senior, fyi.

I think we keep rolling Rickie out there for a few more weeks. Give him SMU and Pitt. If he cannot show progression by then, then perhaps we make a switch to try to beat Georgia Tech and UNC. But if there is a way to preserve Carney's redshirt, then I think that is the right thing to do. Williams should be QB3 until we get to game 10. And games 10 and 11 seem to be bad places to start a freshman.

Thanks for mentioning Yasin's cut to the left - I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that.

 

[kingtidge]

We are never going to have two good QBs
We usually don't have one. Not true. We have had good # 1 QB's that always seem to get injured... McCord aside...
Who is going to sit here when you can transfer anywhere. The portal giveth; the portal taketh away...
This year is going to stink now and I'm not gonna hold it against brown because no one is going to succeed here with a back up QB. So this year's now gonna stink because we can no longer win with Notre Dame's backup QB??

I have retorts in bold...