Rickie Collins

[hoopsupstate]

We actually beat Pitt with Valari at quarterback. You never know

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

At this point, Carney is Schrodinger’s QB.

 

[CuseMan4]

Fran What are we doing here man? Are you trying to win or no. Like seriously. I’m mind blown by this

 

[tep624]

Fran What are we doing here man? Are you trying to win or no. Like seriously. I’m mind blown by this

I don’t get it.

 

[GoSU96]

Fran What are we doing here man? Are you trying to win or no. Like seriously. I’m mind blown by this

He wants to stay here, so he’s tanking the season.

8d chess

 

[BKCuse]

Fran What are we doing here man? Are you trying to win or no. Like seriously. I’m mind blown by this

Why is everyone assuming we know what Fran will do? Beyond starting the Pitt game he’s made no declarations.

What is the upside to disclosing his thinking except to throw red meat to a frustrated fanbase? It’s less pressure on both QB’s if status quo is the official word.

We are all frustrated let’s just take a deep breath and see how things play out this weekend.

 

[tipphill]

Assuming Carney plays, it gives him a better chance to play well saying that Collins will start.

i would rather he gets the full game than having him inserted in a desperate situation. let him have his own game with his own success or failures and not trying to right a sinking ship.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

i would rather he gets the full game than having him inserted in a desperate situation. let him have his own game with his own success or failures and not trying to right a sinking ship.

I agree. Note that I didn't say Collins has to start. Just that saying Collins will start probably helps Carney a little.

Narduzzi probably prepared for both but who knows. The Nard Dog is unpredictable.

 

[DuxburyO]

I agree. Note that I didn't say Collins has to start. Just that saying Collins will start probably helps Carney a little.

Narduzzi probably prepared for both but who knows. The Nard Dog is unpredictable.

Narduzzi is still wondering who the heck is the tight end playing quarterback. That and why can’t I coach Ped state. Pitt just won a huge game and take us for UConn

 

[FrancoPizza]

I agree. Note that I didn't say Collins has to start. Just that saying Collins will start probably helps Carney a little.

Narduzzi probably prepared for both but who knows. The Nard Dog is unpredictable.

I'd be fine with the freshman Fab Melo treatment for Collins.

 

[tipphill]

Narduzzi is still wondering who the heck is the tight end playing quarterback. That and why can’t I coach Ped state. Pitt just won a huge game and take us for UConn

Narduzzi is a very good coach. He will always prepare well

 

[SuFTW]

Why is everyone assuming we know what Fran will do? Beyond starting the Pitt game he’s made no declarations.

What is the upside to disclosing his thinking except to throw red meat to a frustrated fanbase? It’s less pressure on both QB’s if status quo is the official word.

We are all frustrated let’s just take a deep breath and see how things play out this weekend.

Because Fran himself made a big deal of how he is loyal to his starting QB. Granted he was referring to Angeli at the time, but so far nothing seems to indicate a change in that regard.

 

[RF2044]

Or maybe it isn't a strange conspiracy, and the coaches know that Carney isn't quite ready. Yet.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is more realistic than throwing at the wall while crossing fingers.

I'm a huge proponent of Carney, but who knows at this point if he's ready?

 

[SuFTW]

Or maybe it isn't a strange conspiracy, and the coaches know that Carney isn't quite ready. Yet.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is more realistic than throwing at the wall while crossing fingers.

I'm a huge proponent of Carney, but who knows at this point if he's ready?

Nobody said anything about a conspiracy.
But as stated by multiple people we don’t know about Carney, but we have seen Collins. If Collins can turn it around, then great.

 

[ECE '76]

Or maybe it isn't a strange conspiracy, and the coaches know that Carney isn't quite ready. Yet.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is more realistic than throwing at the wall while crossing fingers.

I'm a huge proponent of Carney, but who knows at this point if he's ready?

Pitt is a very bad opponent to break-in an inexperienced true FR QB. Look what the Pitt defense did to Kyle McCord last year. That defense is still ball-hawking receivers in the middle of the field this year and getting position for interceptions.

No matter who the SU QB would be, Jeff Nixon better have learned the lessons from last year's game about the plays he calls.

If Carney is to play this season, there needs to be a plan for how to gradually introduce him D1 ACC football (maybe as was done for Ryan Nassib). He probably shouldn't play at all vs Pitt unless it's late in the game and a hopeless blow out loss. Maybe get a few series at GaTech. Then get serious PT at home vs UNC.

 

[BKCuse]

Because Fran himself made a big deal of how he is loyal to his starting QB. Granted he was referring to Angeli at the time, but so far nothing seems to indicate a change in that regard.

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Ok but that was about Angeli when he knew the gap between 1 & 2 and we didn’t.

He’s being loyal to Rickie but loyalty may run out at some point. Maybe after 3 games, 4 games or maybe 2.5 games. It’s football you’re loyal to your starter until you make a change

 

[Orangefan1]

Collins just isn’t very good unfortunately.

 

[RF2044]

Nobody said anything about a conspiracy.
But as stated by multiple people we don’t know about Carney, but we have seen Collins. If Collins can turn it around, then great.

I get it.

But I keep hearing things thrown around like "loyalty," when I think it might just come down to a simpler explanation of Carney not being as ready right now, at this stage of his developmental curve, as Collins.

Doesn't mean that in another year he won't surpass him, or that his long-term potential might exceed Collins. But the coaches see these guys every day in practice.

I agree 100% that whatever "it" is, Collins doesn't have it. He still might be our best option to win three games.

 

[SuFTW]

I get it.

But I keep hearing things thrown around like "loyalty," when I think it might just come down to a simpler explanation of Carney not being as ready right now, at this stage of his developmental curve, as Collins.

Doesn't mean that in another year he won't surpass him, or that his long-term potential might exceed Collins. But the coaches see these guys every day in practice.

I agree 100% that whatever "it" is, Collins doesn't have it. He still might be our best option to win three games.

I get that Carney may not be ready also. But loyalty is straight from Fran’s mouth, I don’t think it gets any simpler than that. It could be the right play though, hopefully it is.

 

[ADKDave]

Narduzzi is a very good coach. He will always prepare well

My friend who is a die hard Pitt fan would like a word.

 

[richmondcuse03]

I get that Carney may not be ready also. But loyalty is straight from Fran’s mouth, I don’t think it gets any simpler than that. It could be the right play though, hopefully it is.

I think it’s less about loyalty and making sure they’re giving him the right opportunities to succeed based on his natural skill level. I assume they must see something in practice and film review that gives them confidence he can improve. It obviously hasn’t translated to games yet.

It’s also clear Rickie will always be the guy in Frans words until after they’ve already made a change. I could see that change occurring during the game on Saturday or the following week even.

 

[upperdeck]

There is so much going on for a QB in a game that most here have no idea how Carney is doing in any of that in practice.

Sure we can see that Collins had made some poor decisions and poor throws. While also ignoring its not nearly bad at the rate some here would make it sound.

say we have 80 plays. 40 runs 40 passes. We don't know how many of the plays were runs vs passes that got called or mis-called by the QB. Maybe Collins made the correct check in 40 of them and Carney in practice is doing it right 50% of the time? We don't know how well he reads D even if he does throw better?

The assumption that Collins is locking on WR may or may not be correct because we don't really know the plays at all.. Everyone can see when a QB looks one way and then rotates his head to throw another direction and people say look how well he is going thru progressions. But not all progressions are changing zones, some are changing levels. Maybe he is making the correct reads 75% 90% who knows. Coaches know.

The poor throws for sure. They are not all created equal. You can make the correct throw and throw it poorly, or you can make the wrong throw, throw it well and get picked. At SMU we some of each. 22-45 is not good. Needs to make 8-10 more complete. But to think that can't happen with a few more weeks or practice is naive. He needs to relax and let the game slow down. Maybe it never does. two games is a small sample size.

 

[OburgOrange]

 

[OrangeCrush22]

Okay I’m at the point in the week where I start getting my hopes up. Please ball out Rickie

 

[DPCuse]

Look, Fran knew Rickie wasn't the guy in camp and that's why they went out and got Angeli. He's now saying Rickie is the starter. I'm going to trust that he knows Rickie is the best QB in the room at the moment.