Rob Moore

[orangenirvana]

Hate to say it, but based on what we are seeing he may be a huge weak link on this staff.

The wide receivers are not only failing to meet expectations...they are regressing to the point of being close to Tim Lane / Rice Moss level. Where is the development?

Not to mention, he hasn't added anything with regard to recruiting.

How long a leash does the legend have?

 

[JeremyCuse]

The WR situation is downright Scary right now.

 

[PhatOrange]

Hate to say it, but based on what we are seeing he may be a huge weak link on this staff.

The wide receivers are not only failing to meet expectations...they are regressing to the point of being close to Tim Lane / Rice Moss level. Where is the development?

Not to mention, he hasn't added anything with regard to recruiting.

How long a leash does the legend have?

I don't think I'd go that far. My opinion is that Van Chew is what he is - he's probably a #3 in a #1 role - never could get strong enough to be dominant. Has dropped a few balls this year some of which have been dissappointing.

Alec Lemon I believe is the best receiver on the team is a very good player. Solid #2 guy on any team. I like it when he catches a pass across the middle and has room to run. Solid possession kid with deceiving speed. I wish they'd throw to him more.

Dorian Graham has been fine in a very limited role. He couldn't catch anything last season and this year he does. Have to put him in the 'gotten better' category.

Jarod West is a freshman and has shown promise. Adrian Flemming is a sophomore and hasn't had much of opportunity yet but is that coaching? I don't know - it's not like he was a stud recruit - he was another 'under the radar' kid.

There's 3 other kids - all freshman - one is redshirting. Kobena I wouldn't really count just yet. Foster - another lightly recruited kid. At some point you have to consider the talent Rob has to work with before dismissing his ability as a coach. He has 2 seniors (1 a converted db), 1 junior, a sophomore and 4 freshman.

One thing I've been impressed with that you have to credit Rob with is the WR blocking. It's been very good. Even Chew is an able blocker.

 

[kingottoiii]

Hate to say it, but based on what we are seeing he may be a huge weak link on this staff.

The wide receivers are not only failing to meet expectations...they are regressing to the point of being close to Tim Lane / Rice Moss level. Where is the development?

Not to mention, he hasn't added anything with regard to recruiting.

How long a leash does the legend have?

I don't see him as a problem. We have a bunch of decent WRs who we ask to do too much IMO. Do we ever try and create mismatches? Doesn't seem so. To expect our WRs to win one on one battles all the time is pointless. We rarely go 3 or 4 WR sets. The fact that Stevens is in the slot over the young WRs on passing situations worries me.

 

[OrangePA]

Hate to say it, but based on what we are seeing he may be a huge weak link on this staff.

The wide receivers are not only failing to meet expectations...they are regressing to the point of being close to Tim Lane / Rice Moss level. Where is the development?

Not to mention, he hasn't added anything with regard to recruiting.

How long a leash does the legend have?

Give him a guy like Mike Williams and I bet he becomes a better coach.

We need longer, faster, stronger guys who can catch.

 

[Scooch]

I'm not sure what Rob Moore can do when his receivers are open and have a ball sail 5 feet over their heads.

Given them ladders?

Stretch Armstrong arms?

 

[fanfanclubclub]

I'm not sure what Rob Moore can do when his receivers are open and have a ball sail 5 feet over their heads.

Given them ladders?

Stretch Armstrong arms?

Yup, bad offense usually equals bad QB. I posted stats the other day showing that Nassib's career numbers against AQ teams were identical to Andrew Robinson's numbers (and even a tad worse).

Everyone wants to blame the OL, the WRs, Ant, Hackett, Marrone, and everyone or anything other than Nassib. Now it is Rob Moore's fault: not the QB who averages a 116 QB rating and 174 yards per game against AQs.

Way more than most posters are admitting, Nassib is part of the problem. I can't believe no one blamed Nassib for repeatedly throwing away the Rutgers game. Instead, it's somehow Marrone fault because he didn't want to run on 3rd and 1 or 4th and inches.

We need some serious growth in a hurry from our QB and team leader. Fortunately, we've all seen signs to suggest he can do it, but he still has a long ways to go.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Alec Lemon I believe is the best receiver on the team is a very good player. Solid #2 guy on any team. I like it when he catches a pass across the middle and has room to run. Solid possession kid with deceiving speed. I wish they'd throw to him more.

I'm puzzled as to why we stopped funneling the ball to him.

 

[cuseincincy]

Did none of you listen to the announcers on Saturday? They clearly stated that Syracuse was led by their strong veteran receiving crew. Clearly stated that Chew and Lemon were the strength of the team and that Tulane would have a hard time containing them. Good thing the coaching staff is good at containing the WR's.

 

[kingottoiii]

Way more than most posters are admitting, Nassib is part of the problem. I can't believe no one blamed Nassib for repeatedly throwing away the Rutgers game. Instead, it's somehow Marrone fault because he didn't want to run on 3rd and 1 or 4th and inches.

Since you think you know what you are talking about, do you want to explain why we went with so many goddamn slants against RU? Something that we haven't done all year and something that goes away from Nassib's strengths? In addition if Nassib is such a huge issue wouldn't it be insane to have him throw the ball at 1st and goal?

 

[orangenirvana]

I don't see him as a problem. We have a bunch of decent WRs who we ask to do too much IMO. Do we ever try and create mismatches? Doesn't seem so. To expect our WRs to win one on one battles all the time is pointless. We rarely go 3 or 4 WR sets. The fact that Stevens is in the slot over the young WRs on passing situations worries me.

True. Scheme has a lot to do with it.

 

[Chip]

Hate to say it, but based on what we are seeing he may be a huge weak link on this staff.

The wide receivers are not only failing to meet expectations...they are regressing to the point of being close to Tim Lane / Rice Moss level. Where is the development?

Not to mention, he hasn't added anything with regard to recruiting.

How long a leash does the legend have?

Dorian Graham's improvement is a big sign against this. I think there may be a ceiling with the others. Lemon does what he can, knows the offense, runs great routes, catches the ball. Perfect slot guy, but not a #1. Van Chew, not sure what to make of him. Every home game you read Tomcat's take and it's always about how much he's struggling with press coverage which throws off timing of most plays. The others are young, hard to judge them this early in their career.

We'll know for sure about Moore when we see how guys like West, Kobena, Foster, maybe Hale and Flemming develop.

 

[orangenirvana]

I'm puzzled as to why we stopped funneling the ball to him.

Maybe he can't get open.

I'd love to someday have the capability as a television viewer to choose the camera angle I'd like to watch a football game. I want a video game angle to see what's going on in the secondary area.

 

[SaltineWarrior]

Yup, bad offense usually equals bad QB. I posted stats the other day showing that Nassib's career numbers against AQ teams were identical to Andrew Robinson's numbers (and even a tad worse).

Everyone wants to blame the OL, the WRs, Ant, Hackett, Marrone, and everyone or anything other than Nassib. Now it is Rob Moore's fault: not the QB who averages a 116 QB rating and 174 yards per game against AQs.

Way more than most posters are admitting, Nassib is part of the problem. I can't believe no one blamed Nassib for repeatedly throwing away the Rutgers game. Instead, it's somehow Marrone fault because he didn't want to run on 3rd and 1 or 4th and inches.

We need some serious growth in a hurry from our QB and team leader. Fortunately, we've all seen signs to suggest he can do it, but he still has a long ways to go.

As a former crappy QB who played against fellow slow players, I will defense Nassib to some extent. I will give you that he shares part of the blame here (my thoughts are listed below). But football is ultimately won and lost on the LOS and this offensive line does have some issues. If we had a team of several young players in their first year as a starter, I would be OK. But this is an experienced group and a decent amount (not all) of the problems we've seen can be attributed to this unit. Good offensive linemen and make QBs and RBs look better. In this case, the opposite is happening. You can't deny that some of this is due to the line play.

I also believe that Nassib is either not patient enough to let his downfield routes develop or simply cannot recognize what is happening much past the LOS. Once the RB releases from his blocking duties, we all pretty much know that is where Nassib is going and that he won't throw it downfield. My guess is he is being instructed to do this since his completion percentage is decent and we know this offense might be a little more conservative than we would like. However, he may simply not have the ability to stand in the pocket and really deliver a pass downfield when facing any sort of pressure.

 

[fanfanclubclub]

Since you think you know what you are talking about, do you want to explain why we went with so many goddamn slants against RU? Something that we haven't done all year and something that goes away from Nassib's strengths? In addition if Nassib is such a huge issue wouldn't it be insane to have him throw the ball at 1st and goal?

We've actually run a fair amount of quick slants all season. In fact, quick slants are some of the only timing routes we have run consistently this season. At the beginning of the season, we were running quick slants to Stevens, Provo, and Lemon. After the first game, most of the quick slants started going to Lemon. Against Rutgers, we ran a couple more quick slants than usual, but Rutgers jumped the routes and it cost us. Against Tulane, Graham obviously took a step forward on quick slant routes.

And no, just because a QB is struggling and may be below par, does not mean that it is "insane" to throw on 1st and goal: especially when your red zone running game is far from top tier.

I'm certainly not saying that Hay, Mackey, and our lack of a power running game doesn't deserve a fair portion of the blame: but they already get critiqued by posters on this board. But Nassib is a big part of our struggles, as the Rutgers interceptions robustly demonstrated. Let's hope he continues to work hard towards improvement.

 

[Cuse2010]

The thing that gets me is how many times he throws to the third option in his progression with no time. It seems everyone assumes it must be the line when in actuality it is not. They are not the best but I would not say they are as bad as many here seem to think. The last 2 weeks Nassib has just missed open receivers. I hope its a"slump" and he gets better, we need him to

 

[tbonezone]

and to think for a while this place was W.R.U.
guys like monk, moore and carpenter.ismail and harrison.tommy kane,shelby hill.maddox,schwedes,spotwood and glover.
even the sometimes eligible mike williams. and plenty others. wr was always the one spot we seemed to have a logjam.

 

[sufandu]

How much is Moore supposed to do in the time he's been here? He can't make Chew bigger. He can't make Lemon faster. He can help a guy like Graham catch better only so much (remember Qadry Ismail didn't see the field on anything besides special teams until his junior year because of bad hands). It's too early to tell what kind of recruiter he's going to be. The only way to know what kind of coach he is is to be at practice and see him, and none of us have that kind of access.

 

[IHeartSUFball]

going into the year we all thought we would have a special unit of WRs. I see Van Chew as someone you have to get going early to keep him in the game. If he get a couple catches early and gets a big gainer he obviously seems to have better games. He has either dropped them or we miss him on a deep route. Its frustrating to watch and we will need him ot break one against wvu.

 

[Tornado91]

As we discussed in another thread, I think we are seeing what was written about Ryan somewhere during the preseason. He is a talented kid in many respects, but he is wound pretty tight. He's just not a freewheeling, gunslinging, improvisational kid, and with the OL struggling like it is, he just goes into a pattern of short, tight throws, unable to maintain the patience and vision needed to get the ball down the field. When the offense gets rolling, he looks fine. When it struggles, he seems uncomfortable and almost panicky and looks like things (as they often are) are just collapsing all around him. The result is safer, but often ineffective throws. The play calling (lots of short, quick throws) should help him to get into a rhythm, and sometimes does, but the lack of playmakers at WR who can pick up yard after catches limits that.

 

[Tornado91]

The thing that gets me is how many times he throws to the third option in his progression with no time. It seems everyone assumes it must be the line when in actuality it is not. They are not the best but I would not say they are as bad as many here seem to think. The last 2 weeks Nassib has just missed open receivers. I hope its a"slump" and he gets better, we need him to

This is a good point. He just feels the pressure and immediately goes to the safest place as quickly as possible. The OL is struggling and the offense lacks playmakers, but its personality is its quarterback's.

 

[kingottoiii]

As we discussed in another thread, I think we are seeing what was written about Ryan somewhere during the preseason. He is a talented kid in many respects, but he is wound pretty tight. He's just not a freewheeling, gunslinging, improvisational kid, and with the OL struggling like it is, he just goes into a pattern of short, tight throws, unable to maintain the patience and vision needed to get the ball down the field. When the offense gets rolling, he looks fine. When it struggles, he seems uncomfortable and almost panicky and looks like things (as they often are) are just collapsing all around him. The result is safer, but often ineffective throws. The play calling (lots of short, quick throws) should help him to get into a rhythm, and sometimes does, but the lack of playmakers at WR who can pick up yard after catches limits that.

Ugh. Too many people keep blaming Nassib for the short throws. It is total BS. The Captain Checkdown name is totally not fitting if you pay attention. If we run a play action and he turns around with a guy in his face he HAS to get rid of it in the flat. On top of that most of the throws into the flat are by design. We ran a play quite a few times yesterday where both outside WRs went into the flat. The inside WR or TE went 5 yards down field and then toward the sideline. At best by design you get 5 yards there. What do people expect?

 

[qdawgg]

If we run a play action and he turns around with a guy in his face he HAS to get rid of it in the flat.

Great story but not happening in the SU games, so I'm not sure what your referring to. How many play action plays did we run against Tulane and how many of them did Nassib turn and a defender was already in his face? I don't remember that scenario at all but I guess it could have happened once. Who cares about one play... or none.

 

[kingottoiii]

Great story but not happening in the SU games, so I'm not sure what your referring to. How many play action plays did we run against Tulane and how many of them did Nassib turn and a defender was already in his face? I don't remember that scenario at all but I guess it could have happened once. Who cares about one play... or none.

There were 4-5 of them vs Tulane. People need to pay attention more. PLEASE!!

 

[qdawgg]

There were 4-5 of them vs Tulane. People need to pay attention more. PLEASE!!

I know there weren't but the game is still on my DVR so I'll entertain you. I can't wait until after I watch the game again and then you say, "well what I meant by that was..."