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Roster & Needs As Of April 14...

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How are we going to field a team next year with only 7 players?

I feel like we need more players on our basketball team in order to compete with Boston College and Pitt.
 
Am I one of the that is genuinely concerned that this roster kind of stinks and lacks any real high end impact we were expecting? It currently lacks so much that I can't see how we will compete for anything other than maybe a .500 record. Yes, there's still time to add, and we may get some overseas stud, but to this point, with the money that has supposedly been available to Gmac, I am completely underwhelmed. Hopefully there are still big time players coming, but that's really only a hope at this point.

A high caliber PG and C are not on the roster. Dual seems like a quality backup at multiple spots, but lacks the offensive ceiling to be more than a complementary piece. I won't include Moesch as an option, as it's unfair to expect much out of a freshman these days, and hopefully the staff isn't setting unrealistic expectations. A starter still seems like a major need.

At Center we have a decent Siena big who's probably more of a PF and a skinny kid from overseas that does have good upside, but who knows how much he can contribute immediately. Without more beef or offensive additions, how exactly will we hold up in the paint? We're going to get physically killed by some teams. Sadiq as the only other current 'big guy' is really unfortunate. We need at least 2 bigger bodies still (C and ), both of who can play big minutes. Watching the tourney, the successful teams had multiple bigs, guys that can bang and battle inside. I don't see anything close to that on our roster yet.

We have a lot of wings, but questionable shooting, at best. I'm guessing between Doty, Kiyan, MMM, Tobiason and maybe even a little Sadiq, we can successfully cover the 2/3, though shooting is the MAJOR concern, along with defense. I also don't believe we have enough athleticism on the perimeter but that is TBD.

While we all hope and expect GMac to be a significant x's and o's upgrade, having these kind of deficiencies sure seems like an issue...
 
Jasoncuse said:
Am I one of the that is genuinely concerned that this roster kind of stinks and lacks any real high end impact we were expecting? It currently lacks so much that I can't see how we will compete for anything other than maybe a .500 record. Yes, there's still time to add, and we may get some overseas stud, but to this point, with the money that has supposedly been available to Gmac, I am completely underwhelmed. Hopefully there are still big time players coming, but that's really only a hope at this point.

A high caliber PG and C are not on the roster. Dual seems like a quality backup at multiple spots, but lacks the offensive ceiling to be more than a complementary piece. I won't include Moesch as an option, as it's unfair to expect much out of a freshman these days, and hopefully the staff isn't setting unrealistic expectations. A starter still seems like a major need.

At Center we have a decent Siena big who's probably more of a PF and a skinny kid from overseas that does have good upside, but who knows how much he can contribute immediately. Without more beef or offensive additions, how exactly will we hold up in the paint? We're going to get physically killed by some teams. Sadiq as the only other current 'big guy' is really unfortunate. We need at least 2 bigger bodies still (C and ), both of who can play big minutes. Watching the tourney, the successful teams had multiple bigs, guys that can bang and battle inside. I don't see anything close to that on our roster yet.

We have a lot of wings, but questionable shooting, at best. I'm guessing between Doty, Kiyan, MMM, Tobiason and maybe even a little Sadiq, we can successfully cover the 2/3, though shooting is the MAJOR concern, along with defense. I also don't believe we have enough athleticism on the perimeter but that is TBD.

While we all hope and expect GMac to be a significant x's and o's upgrade, having these kind of deficiencies sure seems like an issue...
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i get what youre saying theres definitely still some holes on the roster - big men, especially

but i think the players who have never played for the cuse before are better than you think...the international guys are just going to be huge question marks, regardless...but im not nearly as concerned as you are

overall, i think having an actual competent coach will do so much more than most seem to think...i think the problem mostly during reds years (except for year 2) was bad coaching, not bad talent
 
Jasoncuse said:
Am I one of the that is genuinely concerned that this roster kind of stinks and lacks any real high end impact we were expecting? It currently lacks so much that I can't see how we will compete for anything other than maybe a .500 record. Yes, there's still time to add, and we may get some overseas stud, but to this point, with the money that has supposedly been available to Gmac, I am completely underwhelmed. Hopefully there are still big time players coming, but that's really only a hope at this point.

A high caliber PG and C are not on the roster. Dual seems like a quality backup at multiple spots, but lacks the offensive ceiling to be more than a complementary piece. I won't include Moesch as an option, as it's unfair to expect much out of a freshman these days, and hopefully the staff isn't setting unrealistic expectations. A starter still seems like a major need.

At Center we have a decent Siena big who's probably more of a PF and a skinny kid from overseas that does have good upside, but who knows how much he can contribute immediately. Without more beef or offensive additions, how exactly will we hold up in the paint? We're going to get physically killed by some teams. Sadiq as the only other current 'big guy' is really unfortunate. We need at least 2 bigger bodies still (C and ), both of who can play big minutes. Watching the tourney, the successful teams had multiple bigs, guys that can bang and battle inside. I don't see anything close to that on our roster yet.

We have a lot of wings, but questionable shooting, at best. I'm guessing between Doty, Kiyan, MMM, Tobiason and maybe even a little Sadiq, we can successfully cover the 2/3, though shooting is the MAJOR concern, along with defense. I also don't believe we have enough athleticism on the perimeter but that is TBD.

While we all hope and expect GMac to be a significant x's and o's upgrade, having these kind of deficiencies sure seems like an issue...
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Syracuse had barely a 500 record with a "talented" P5 team last year and the same record basically (1 less win) the year before with an "untalented" midmajor team too (a nonfactor PG and Center that didn't play defense).

I don't think people are watching beyond the headlines and that's ok. We are not going to be playing for a Final 4 or maybe not even a Sweet 16 for another few years. We are in rebuild after 5 years of garbage.

Tournament =Yes must have.

There are about 15-20 programs that are just buying their way into Sweet 16's each year. That leaves like 60 P5 hoops programs chasing bids and we need to be better than about half of them. That does not take some crazy amount of talent or even coaching.

With tourney expansion the ACC will be a 9 bid league so we need to be better than 9-10 ACC teams.
If we even fill out our roster reasonably with bigs we should beat GT, ND, WF, FSU, Cal, Stanford, VTech, Pitt, and BC. Then you hope to beat SMU, or Ncstates or Clemson's as well or steal one from the top of the league. The teams I'm listing are not bringing in better talent than us and many have new coaches or coaches on the hot seat as well.

TLDR start watching what the ACC top to bottom is doing in the portal and you'll feel alot better. and stop worrying about headlines of Uconn, Florida, Kentucky, and Michigan building Natty rosters.
 
RedtheGOB said:
Syracuse had barely a 500 record with a "talented" P5 team last year and the same record basically (1 less win) the year before with an "untalented" midmajor team too (a nonfactor PG and Center that didn't play defense).

I don't think people are watching beyond the headlines and that's ok. We are not going to be playing for a Final 4 or maybe not even a Sweet 16 for another few years. We are in rebuild after 5 years of garbage.

Tournament =Yes must have.

There are about 15-20 programs that are just buying their way into Sweet 16's each year. That leaves like 60 P5 hoops programs chasing bids and we need to be better than about half of them. That does not take some crazy amount of talent or even coaching.

With tourney expansion the ACC will be a 9 bid league so we need to be better than 9-10 ACC teams.
If we even fill out our roster reasonably with bigs we should beat GT, ND, WF, FSU, Cal, Stanford, VTech, Pitt, and BC. Then you hope to beat SMU, or Ncstates or Clemson's as well or steal one from the top of the league. The teams I'm listing are not bringing in better talent than us and many have new coaches or coaches on the hot seat as well.

TLDR start watching what the ACC top to bottom is doing in the portal and you'll feel alot better. and stop worrying about headlines of Uconn, Florida, Kentucky, and Michigan building Natty rosters.
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So, we cant compete for National Titles again unless congress intervenes...tough to recruit good players with that message
 
CardiacCuse said:
i get what youre saying theres definitely still some holes on the roster - big men, especially

but i think the players who have never played for the cuse before are better than you think...the international guys are just going to be huge question marks, regardless...but im not nearly as concerned as you are

overall, i think having an actual competent coach will do so much more than most seem to think...i think the problem mostly during reds years (except for year 2) was bad coaching, not bad talent
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I think they’re a bunch of solid players added but I don’t think any are true needle movers. We need more than a group of role players and complementary pieces.

I just don’t think we have enough physically or on the interior to compete at a high level. The App St kid would be a big boost but I’d still believe we’re a bit light on defense and rebounding.

The shooting is a major concern that we have to see succeed to believe it’s good enough IMO
 
Jasoncuse said:
I think they’re a bunch of solid players added but I don’t think any are true needle movers. We need more than a group of role players and complementary pieces.

I just don’t think we have enough physically or on the interior to compete at a high level. The App St kid would be a big boost but I’d still believe we’re a bit light on defense and rebounding.

The shooting is a major concern that we have to see succeed to believe it’s good enough IMO
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i wouldnt say tobiason and 3m are role or complimentary players.
 
rrlbees said:
i wouldnt say tobiason and 3m are role or complimentary players.
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Genuinely curious: what makes you so confident that MMM’s skills will translate to the ACC? Are you basing solely on Givony? Are you familiar with the level of competition he’s playing against? You just seem extremely confident.
 
Jasoncuse said:
I think they’re a bunch of solid players added but I don’t think any are true needle movers. We need more than a group of role players and complementary pieces.

I just don’t think we have enough physically or on the interior to compete at a high level. The App St kid would be a big boost but I’d still believe we’re a bit light on defense and rebounding.

The shooting is a major concern that we have to see succeed to believe it’s good enough IMO
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idk i like the way teams in the nba for example like ny knicks and the miami heat a couple recent seasons went very far and didnt have any "superstars" just a solid group of "role players"

but a bunch of guys on this roster at least have been mentioned in nba draft considerations/realm of possibility - tobiason, siby, 3m, etc etc...

i really dont think there must be an alpha lead dog pyramid shaped model where you just let your star cook in iso...yeah it would be nice to have a john wallace or a cam boozer...

but i really genuinely prefer a TEAM of players working together...a balanced attack can be very lethal

and we really dont know how the hierarchy of the current players will shake out...

i think most thought jj and donnie would be the "lead dogs" last year..and with a lot of optimism...and we saw how that worked out...
 
tptcuse said:
Genuinely curious: what makes you so confident that MMM’s skills will translate to the ACC? Are you basing solely on Givony? Are you familiar with the level of competition he’s playing against? You just seem extremely confident.
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i'm basing it on not just giovany calling him a mcdonalds AA type player, or finkelstein calling him a top 50 player or one other analyst, whose name i forget, calling him a huge get that other name schools wanted. but also, my superior evaluation skills. ;) and yes i know the competition level very well as its been discussed here a lot. some age appropriate and some against guys 5 years his senior.
 
RedtheGOB said:
Syracuse had barely a 500 record with a "talented" P5 team last year and the same record basically (1 less win) the year before with an "untalented" midmajor team too (a nonfactor PG and Center that didn't play defense).

I don't think people are watching beyond the headlines and that's ok. We are not going to be playing for a Final 4 or maybe not even a Sweet 16 for another few years. We are in rebuild after 5 years of garbage.

Tournament =Yes must have.

There are about 15-20 programs that are just buying their way into Sweet 16's each year. That leaves like 60 P5 hoops programs chasing bids and we need to be better than about half of them. That does not take some crazy amount of talent or even coaching.

With tourney expansion the ACC will be a 9 bid league so we need to be better than 9-10 ACC teams.
If we even fill out our roster reasonably with bigs we should beat GT, ND, WF, FSU, Cal, Stanford, VTech, Pitt, and BC. Then you hope to beat SMU, or Ncstates or Clemson's as well or steal one from the top of the league. The teams I'm listing are not bringing in better talent than us and many have new coaches or coaches on the hot seat as well.

TLDR start watching what the ACC top to bottom is doing in the portal and you'll feel alot better. and stop worrying about headlines of Uconn, Florida, Kentucky, and Michigan building Natty rosters.
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What we are doing isn’t a different than what most power 5 schools do. Iowa State and Houston are building their teams through low and mid majors and they’ve consistently been two of the best teams in the best league in the country.
 
Gerry will be a HUGE difference maker as coach, he will get us extra posessions and win on the margins unlike our teams of the past few years who ran around like lost puppies.

So Gerry plus our players trying hard consistently should result in a few more wins...but we just need a few more pieces to put us in the mix of the top half of the ACC...

Im not in the mood for a rebuild...just add the pieces now.
 

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