Ryan Cabiles Canned / Robert Harris new Director of S&C

[MikeSU02]

I'm all for Red making changes. It's his make or break year. He's had a good off season in terms of recruiting (or re-recruiting) and if S&C is an issue, it's got to be moving day.

No more time to waste. If it came from above Red, so be it.

 

[kingtidge]

It’s hard to judge the nutritionist without insight into the objectives and resources she was given.

Nutritionists are there to make recommendations; they usually don’t have license to say, “this is what you’re eating, deal with it.”

Without a goal set by S&C to bulk players up, the nutritionist is really just there to make sure guys don’t get fat, which hasn’t seemed to be an issue since the new one joined. Athletes burning the calories these guys burn can eat a lot of takeout and not get fat. They’ll be consuming enough calories that the micros will take care of themselves. It’s all macros and there’s a good chance they’re automatically getting enough protein carbs to fuel their bodies. If they don’t have a strength goal set by the coaches or S&C, there’s nothing for the nutritionist to target. We don’t have guys who need to cut weight, so what is there for her to do? Just maintaining player weight might be the objective she was given.

There’s also the possibility that on a bad team with players who weren’t expected to be around the following season, the staff gave up on caring how the players ate or worked out. If there’s no light at the end of the tunnel and you’re not bringing these guys back, why care? It’ll be more interesting to see if things change int his area with the new guys.

Management has to come down from the top for this to work.

HC delegates to S&C and nutritionist to develop coordinated workout and diet plans for players targeted to individual goals for each player... and they make it happen and track the progress.

HC meets with them once every two weeks and brings each player in for 10 minutes to discuss progress. If a player isn't making tangible, trackable progress toward their indiviual goals - skipping their scheduled workouts, lift sessions, or not picking up their dietary meals, player can meet the bench... Or something like that process. It isn't rocket science.

Point being this is a CEO responsibilty of the HC. Empower your people to develop the plans and manage them with your oversight and make sure the players are motivated to buy-in and meet their goals. Motivation and accountability is the hard part. Fran wraps it all up into his cultural DART philosophy to set expectations.

 

[Scooch]

Point being this is a CEO responsibilty of the HC.

Good post. Unfortunately we haven't seen much evidence of CEO behavior the past 2 seasons. And honestly I don't think this S&C change is evidence either. I'm concerned that Autry still doesn't get it, but we have almost a full year to see if that's the case.

 

[Newhouser]

speaking of S&C guys - did Dino's guy ever find a landing spot? He seemed to drop out of favor quickly.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Not the most important thing, but interesting that Mike and Donna haven't written about this development.

But hey, if anyone needs to know what Cole Swider is up to, they are ON IT.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Houston’s SC coach:

 

[Bulldog04]

speaking of S&C guys - did Dino's guy ever find a landing spot? He seemed to drop out of favor quickly.

He went to Jo-Ann Fabrics to show people how to paint on their knuckles

 

[MSOrange]

Not the most important thing, but interesting that Mike and Donna haven't written about this development.

But hey, if anyone needs to know what Cole Swider is up to, they are ON IT.

The news just broke on the board and the university hasn't put anything out and they have a little higher burden to source their info than a message board. But will be interesting to see when it comes out.

 

[dasher]

The news just broke on the board and the university hasn't put anything out and they have a little higher burden to source their info than a message board. But will be interesting to see when it comes out.

This is exactly right. They are trying to get the university to comment.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

This is exactly right. They are trying to get the university to comment.

FWIW when you Google Cabiles + syracuse the top result takes you to the staff directory's 404 page. So it's not just message board smoke, but I'll agree that at the very least it's fair to reach out for a comment or just confirmation that he's no longer employed.

 

[Sdot]

speaking of S&C guys - did Dino's guy ever find a landing spot? He seemed to drop out of favor quickly.

Pretty sure I saw him last year on Florida State instagram with there team.

 

[dasher]

FWIW when you Google Cabiles + syracuse the top result takes you to the staff directory's 404 page. So it's not just message board smoke, but I'll agree that at the very least it's fair to reach out for a comment or just confirmation that he's no longer employed.

Oh, I'm confident that he was fired. And so are is the P.S.. But they can't print rumors or we are pretty sure. This is a guys life we are talking about.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

And there it is.

 

[UD1954]

Fran Browns S/C coaches exposed Cabiles and the teams lack of development.

 

[kingtidge]

Okay. I will say from multiple reports (most all players) the nutritionist is horrible. they still eat dino bbq panera jamaica cuse , chik fil a, chinese , everyday after practice. there is 0 weight gain / loss plan , 0 nutrition plans, simply puts in orders for poor chain foods. the budget was cut this year in that area so i think they leaned more on school provided food , which is healthier. Still 0 nutrition plans which was most shocking to me when she came in. I could google “how many calories should judah mintz eat a day to gain 15 lbs over 3 months?”. I’m suprised she’s still there.

I remember reading a blog article touting the new nutritionist they hired in 2023, Ally Onyon, and players saying she was great.

Actually, it was NunesMagician:

‘It’s a part of today’s athletics’: Inside Syracuse basketball’s new nutrition approach

The Syracuse basketball team has addressed nutrition under Adrian Autry by making a key hire.

www.nunesmagician.com

So if what you are saying is true, then that nutrition article is BS or the "new regimen" didn't last long??

Also, I wonder if Cabiles out was a Red-requested change or something Wildhack pulled the strings on??

I am sure they want the deficiencies sorted for next season regardless. See if the nutritionist survives the ax next I guess.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Fran Browns S/C coaches exposed Cabiles and the teams lack of development.

I would say nearly every high-major team Syracuse played since 2014 exposed Cabiles and the team's lack of development.

 

[BillSU]

It’s hard to judge the nutritionist without insight into the objectives and resources she was given.

Nutritionists are there to make recommendations; they usually don’t have license to say, “this is what you’re eating, deal with it.”

Without a goal set by S&C to bulk players up, the nutritionist is really just there to make sure guys don’t get fat, which hasn’t seemed to be an issue since the new one joined. Athletes burning the calories these guys burn can eat a lot of takeout and not get fat. They’ll be consuming enough calories that the micros will take care of themselves. It’s all macros and there’s a good chance they’re automatically getting enough protein and carbs to fuel their bodies. If they don’t have a strength goal set by the coaches or S&C, there’s nothing for the nutritionist to target. We don’t have guys who need to cut weight, so what is there for her to do? Just maintaining player weight might be the objective she was given.

There’s also the possibility that on a bad team with players who weren’t expected to be around the following season, the staff gave up on caring how the players ate or worked out. If there’s no light at the end of the tunnel and you’re not bringing these guys back, why care? It’ll be more interesting to see if things change in this area with the new guys.

Melo should read this so he knows what the situation is and can rectify or encourage those in charge of the nutritionist, s goals and get her on the right road as far as helping players maintain and increase their weight along with muscle mass with the right S&C Director. He's been with teams that must have strict regimens for players and would help a great deal with his input.

 

[qdawgg]

I heard we couldn’t afford him anymore unless we start getting some AW $…….

 

[FireballPhil]

Which was equal to Eddie's overall vertical.

I see you rounded up.

 

[jdubs30]

I’m sure Melo wanted to make sure Kiyan had Someone better around him. Many fans on this board have brought this up over the past few years - but it’s still surprising to see SU make this move, we usually keep things status quo, at least on the basketball side. It’s good to see that not only Money being spent (I assume the the new trainer will be an upgrade), but they are taking action.

I suspect with the right away we will see a noticeable difference

 

[kingtidge]

I’m saying from what I know. I know she was is a poor nutritionist with not much effort. That’s what every single player has said about her.

“We have a really good nutritionist in Aly,” JJ Starling said. “She makes sure that we get the right food, the right nutrients that we need. She has meals prepared for us ahead of time.”​

 

[Grbac]

Cabiles bio said he was S&C for both Men’s and Women’s basketball teams.
So I’m thinking this decision came from above Red. Being that he worked with both teams and not just the men’s side.
Any confirmation on that?

 

[Niastri]

“We have a really good nutritionist in Aly,” JJ Starling said. “She makes sure that we get the right food, the right nutrients that we need. She has meals prepared for us ahead of time.”​

The bold part is really important. I’m in my forties, I have spent years learning how to get proper nutrition, and if I get hungry, I’ll still eat whatever garbage food looks good and is quickest. If I’m lucky, I’ll have a smoothie ready for the blender, but if the kids are eating French fries, it’s all over.

College kids usually don’t have even that level of discipline when it comes to eating.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Fran Browns S/C coaches exposed Cabiles and the teams lack of development.

I think opponents have been doing that for years.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I’m sure Melo wanted to make sure Kiyan had Someone better around him. Many fans on this board have brought this up over the past few years - but it’s still surprising to see SU make this move, we usually keep things status quo, at least on the basketball side. It’s good to see that not only Money being spent (I assume the the new trainer will be an upgrade), but they are taking action.

I suspect with the right away we will see a noticeable difference

The Director of the Carmelo Anthony Nitrition and Fitness Excellence Program at Syracuse University. Drop about $5,000,000 to endow the salaries.