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Ryan Cabiles Canned / Robert Harris new Director of S&C

Of course the cost of living in Boston is much higher than in Syracuse but BC is also looking for a head strength and conditioning coach for their men’s and women’s basketball team. Head Basketball Strength & Conditioning Coach - Boston College - HoopDirt

According to google’s AI “The average salary for a head strength and conditioning coach in men's basketball can vary, but generally falls within the range of $60,500 to $84,575. However, top earners can reach salaries of $113,000 or more, according to Indeed. ”
Wow BCs base salary is double what cuse is offering. And people thought I was nuts when I said cuse gas horrible gym equipment. This furthers what I said. They can’t even offer a top tier salary to make it attractive and respectful for a big program
 
Wow BCs base salary is double what cuse is offering. And people thought I was nuts when I said cuse gas horrible gym equipment. This furthers what I said. They can’t even offer a top tier salary to make it attractive and respectful for a big program
BC’s job is also for both men and women‘s basketball and the housing costs are about 3 times more in Boston vs the cost in Syracuse. Boston median home price is $961,000 vs Syracuse area it’s around $300,000 now even less in the city which isn’t really true in the city of Boston. They need to offer more just for cost of living and their job description appears to include nutrition responsibilities.
 
Should be at least 150-200k I would think. Most likely looking for an entry level type person at that salary.
 
BC’s job is also for both men and women‘s basketball and the housing costs are about 3 times more in Boston vs the cost in Syracuse. Boston median home price is $961,000 vs Syracuse area it’s around $300,000 now even less in the city which isn’t really true in the city of Boston. They need to offer more just for cost of living and the job description appears to include nutrition responsibilities.
You always make too much sense and posit too logical of a reply lol (and I always appreciate it). I need to go to bed instead of looking at the SU job board and getting fired up
 
You always make too much sense and posit too logical of a reply lol (and I always appreciate it). I need to go to bed instead of looking at the SU job board and getting fired up
i completely disagree. GET FIRED UP, GO UNHINGED, NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN MORE IMPORTANT
 
You always make too much sense and posit too logical of a reply lol (and I always appreciate it). I need to go to bed instead of looking at the SU job board and getting fired up
Thank You. I actually looked it up because like you stated, it certainly didn’t seem like it was much. So I was surprised too. The other p5 programs other than BC, looking for a head strength and conditioning coach didn’t even reveal the pay in their job advertisements but AI, if accurate, did reveal a median pay range for P5 programs that pretty much mirrored SU’s.
 
When Major League Baseball put in its salary cap, the big money organizations started spending their money on nutrition, scouting and development.

The fact that so little financial commitment is made to such a critical aspect is crazy. Also, it’s an opportunity. If a top of the line S&C coach is making $150k, you could have two of them tomorrow for what a backup forward is getting in the portal.

Crazy not to take advantage of the market inefficiency and go poach the best coach you can get, and give their top assistant a big raise to come as well.

A program like Syracuse that has underperformed for decades in this area will see results disproportionate to a program that already has done a good job.
 
So, let me get this straight. Google AI/Indeed claim a salary range of 60-113, which coincidentally is exactly what SU posted. Did they just google the salary range and post it? Lol. Are they aware those indeed ranges are always wildly off if you’re not looking for a brand new grad?
Well AI stinks because yesterday I asked for the average salary for a p5 men’s basketball strength and conditioning D1 head coach and this was AI’s reply below which is what I posted yesterday:
According to google’s AI “The average salary for a head strength and conditioning coach in men's basketball can vary, but generally falls within the range of $60,500 to $84,575. However, top earners can reach salaries of $113,000 or more, according to Indeed. ” AI noted it was using “Indeed as a reference.

This however is what it is saying today which is much more extensive and uses different references.
“The average salary for a men's basketball strength and conditioning head coach ranges from $45,110 to $83,179 per year. Some sources indicate a wider range, from $60,527 to $84,575, with high-level Division 1 coaches potentially earning six figures. Factors like location, experience, and the specific level of competition (e.g., Division 1 vs. smaller schools) can influence the exact salary.

Detailed Breakdown:
  • Average Salary:
    A general average for strength and conditioning coaches in the US is around $67,098 per year, but this can vary significantly.

  • Range:
    Salaries can range from a low of $54,156 to a high of $83,179, with most professionals earning between $60,323 and $75,515, according to Salary.com.

  • Division 1:
    High-level Division 1 strength coaches, specifically in men's basketball, may earn around $45,000 on the lower end, but some can reach six figures.

  • Factors:
    Location, education, certifications, experience, and the sector (college vs. professional) all play a role in determining a coach's earning potential.


  • Other Sources:
    ZipRecruiter lists an average of $45,110 for head strength and conditioning coaches. The National Strength and Conditioning Association (NSCA)found salaries ranging from $60,527 to $84,575 in their 2022 survey. “
    I added the word “P5“ to the question on average salaries and got this answer.

  • “The average salary for a Head Strength and Conditioning Coach in a P5 men's basketball program is around $45,110 annually. However, salaries can range from $38,353 to $51,879, with top earners potentially making $59,000. Factors like experience, education, and location can influence salary.

    Here's a more detailed breakdown:
    • Average Salary: $45,110
    • Range: $38,353 to $51,879
    • Top Earners: Up to $59,000
    • Variables: Experience, education, certifications, and location all play a role in salary.
    For a more specific understanding, consider researching salary data for strength and conditioning coaches at individual P5 universities or programs.The National Strength and Conditioning Association (NSCA) also offers salary survey data that can provide further insights. “

  • I questioned the accuracy of their answers and I still do but I did research it and didn’t make it up. I asked about head college coaches who wouldn’t have been new to the field. Heaven help us though if people are using A1 for important decisions. I still could see though how BC would have to take into account their location’s cost of living as most employers do. However whether AI is accurate, I certainly can’t definitely prove and I doubt most of us can either.Apologize for the length.



 
Salary transparency laws in NY State say you have to put a salary range on public job postings. Employers routinely put a wide range in the listing, depending on experience.
 
I saw the Job posted on the SU website. The salary is $60,000-$113,000. Are they freaking serious? This is one of the most important positions and they want to offer a base of $60k? I cannot believe that. They should be ashamed that’s what they want to offer for an integral part to a big time program

this is just to have the job posted.

they probably knew who they were hiring before cabiles was fired. or at least had a target group. Body by Jake could have applied through the job posting and he prob never would have even gotten a call back.
 
Seems middle of the road; Kansas and Kentucky's strength coaches make around $200K so that's probably the top end of the range.

I maintain that hiring a good strength coach and supporting them with top-notch or even adequate resources would bring a better ROI over time than repeatedly overpaying average upperclassmen in NIL.
 
this is just to have the job posted.

they probably knew who they were hiring before cabiles was fired. or at least had a target group. Body by Jake could have applied through the job posting and he prob never would have even gotten a call back.
Yeah, IIRC when they advertised Kline’s position it had a top salary of like $130k.
 
What brings in more money to their respective AD

SU Basketball or MAC Football

Look at lines 96 to 109 College Football Strength Coach Salaries - USA TODAY

If we're paying a strength and conditioning coach 60k close up shop lol
Yup, the guy who is standing there providing encouragement and recording sets data should be making more than $60k… The actual S&C coach is a department head with a dozen professional employees and a bunch of additional administrative staff.

Insane if they are offering so little for such a critical role in the program.

Was it also why they put up with Cabiles for so long, they know they weren’t willing to pay for anybody better?

They need a good hire, or we can cross major college sports off our program’s long term itinerary.
 
Not sure why, but Ryan Cabiles has been fired from the program.

Great guy , nice guy. Prolly could have a better strength and conditioning guy.
Do not let Hicks worm his way back in
 
Rather have a SOB strength guy than someone that acts like one of the boys

Because I am hard, you will not like me. But the more you hate me, the more you will learn. I am hard but I am fair.
Before the season last year, every interview with Fran Brown seemed to include some version of the phrase “We are putting these guys through some adversity. We want to see how they handle adversity.” It was like he wanted his players throwing up into trash bins sitting without and then getting right back to it.

The only adversity the basketball players get was self inflicted.
 

How consistent is she on this approach?

SimonSays said all the players said she's a horrible nutritionist and that the players are eating whatever meals they want (dino bbq, panera, jamaica cuse, etc.)
 
How consistent is she on this approach?

SimonSays said all the players said she's a horrible nutritionist and that the players are eating whatever meals they want (dino bbq, panera, jamaica cuse, etc.)
We are talking about players who are getting in some cases, hundreds of thousands in NIL $. I read that Scholarship players can live off campus after their sophomore year. I doubt they have personal nutritionists inside their on campus rooms less off campus. Let’s be rational, if a player is self disciplined, motivated enough, goal oriented they will probably be successful with conditioning, eating healthy etc. If they aren’t devoted to healthy eating, nor prioritizing continuous development towards improving their stamina, who is going to prevent them from ordering out, driving to get food, challenge themselves lifting weights etc especially since they have their own money to spend? It’s far from the era of players saying we don’t have enough to eat like we heard from UConn’s Shabazz Napier back in 2014.

These players can eat healthy at meals as dictated by the nutritionist but then can order out, eat snacks, stay up late whatever. I would think that this is when program culture, peer pressure, follow ups with weigh-ins, body measurements, mandated observed weight lifting with goals, timed runs etc would be necessary to help players stay fixed on goals. No nutritionist, strength and conditioning coach etc can totally prevent players from unhealthy habits but it can definitely be spotted, monitored and addressed in timely manners. What if NIL payments were tied into specific personal goals like weight, weight lifting, run times etc based on their body type? Not every player is self motivated enough especially if they now have the $ to spend and the time to participate in unhealthy performance affecting behaviors. Coaches have to consistently prioritize, address these issues with their staff and players for the players to take their efforts seriously too.

sorry for the length - I know - blah blah blah :)
 
We are talking about players who are getting in some cases, hundreds of thousands in NIL $. I read that Scholarship players can live off campus after their sophomore year. I doubt they have personal nutritionists inside their on campus rooms less off campus. Let’s be rational, if a player is self disciplined, motivated enough, goal oriented they will probably be successful with conditioning, eating healthy etc. If they aren’t devoted to healthy eating, nor prioritizing continuous development towards improving their stamina, who is going to prevent them from ordering out, driving to get food, challenge themselves lifting weights etc especially since they have their own money to spend? It’s far from the era of players saying we don’t have enough to eat like we heard from UConn’s Shabazz Napier back in 2014.

These players can eat healthy at meals as dictated by the nutritionist but then can order out, eat snacks, stay up late whatever. I would think that this is when program culture, peer pressure, follow ups with weigh-ins, body measurements, mandated observed weight lifting with goals, timed runs etc would be necessary to help players stay fixed on goals. No nutritionist, strength and conditioning coach etc can totally prevent players from unhealthy habits but it can definitely be spotted, monitored and addressed in timely manners. What if NIL payments were tied into specific personal goals like weight, weight lifting, run times etc based on their body type? Not every player is self motivated enough especially if they now have the $ to spend and the time to participate in unhealthy performance affecting behaviors. Coaches have to consistently prioritize, address these issues with their staff and players for the players to take their efforts seriously too.

sorry for the length - I know - blah blah blah :)
No need to apologize for the length.

I swear I’ve typed more when a simple “I don’t know” would have sufficed.
 
sorry i’ve been AFK. yeah she’s not the best but it’s not her fault, accountability isn’t there

you are really right in a lot of this. I just simply report what I hear from a mass amount of people. First off, NIL cannot be tied into specific goals which I assume you know.

But other than that, sure, no one is stopping these guys from ordering out or getting whatever tf they want.

Simply, from my understanding, there is no reinforcement or plan from a staff perspective when it comes to nutrition. There is no expectation or goal oriented measures. Which isn’t great, right ?

Of course players can hold themselves accountable, but if the reinforcement isn’t there i’m not sure what’s the point of paying a nutritionist.

I doubt she makes over 100k and im sure she works hard , I don’t doubt that. I just know from what I have heard from more than 5+ people that there is 0 focus on nutrition / weight gain or loss.
According to AI (if correct) incentives are allowed. (See below) I will admit I’m not totally sold unlike others to the accuracy of AI. Interesting regardless.
  • “NIL deals and incentives:
    NIL deals are agreements between college athletes and companies or individuals where the athlete's name, image, and likeness are used to promote a product or service. These deals can include a base salary, performance bonuses, or other incentives tied to specific achievements or activities.

  • Examples of incentives:
    Incentives could be tied to things like:
    • Performance: Achieving a certain number of wins, points, or other statistical milestones.

    • Social media engagement:Reaching a certain number of followers or achieving high engagement rates on social media.

    • Brand awareness: Contributing to increased brand awareness or sales through their NIL activities.”
 

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