Ryan Cabiles Canned / Robert Harris new Director of S&C

[kingtidge]

yes JJ is the last person who would talk bad about someone publicly. Also you think these guys aren’t happy they get Dino BBQ and stuff every other week ? they just know it’s not good for them and also she could be doing more.

lol are you like the nutritionist

No, but you said she is a poor nutritionist and... "That’s what every single player has said about her."

I am just pointing out that there are public quotes from players saying she's good.

 

[tptcuse]

yes JJ is the last person who would talk bad about someone publicly. Also you think these guys aren’t happy they get Dino BBQ and stuff every other week ? they just know it’s not good for them and also she could be doing more.

lol are you like the nutritionist

Several IG posts of the basketball team boarding planes (and buses..lol) show the players carrying bags of chips and Panera.

 

[UD1954]

Ok...was it me or did Girad looked jacked his one year at Clemson?

 

[kingtidge]

Ok...was it me or did Girad looked jacked his one year at Clemson?

It's not you.

Has been discussed here.

There was an interview with him at Clemson where he said he was in best shape of his career and that he dropped weight and they had him on a special diet.

 

[SimonSays]

No, but you said she is a poor nutritionist and... "That’s what every single player has said about her."

I am just pointing out that there are public quotes from players saying she's good.

Then I guess you would have to take my word for it.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

The bold part is really important. I’m in my forties, I have spent years learning how to get proper nutrition, and if I get hungry, I’ll still eat whatever garbage food looks good and is quickest. If I’m lucky, I’ll have a smoothie ready for the blender, but if the kids are eating French fries, it’s all over.

College kids usually don’t have even that level of discipline when it comes to eating.

Yeah, discipline and habits. Very challenging for me, and I’m in my 50s. If I told you the number of Milky Ways I’ve consumed in the last four years, you wouldn’t expect me to be alive. Most of them at 3am, in bed. When you feel like you are ‘getting away with it,’ it’s very difficult to believe you’re not. I’m still 6’3” 210. If I were 265, I’d have a different sense of urgency. These college kids are still lean, and still able to run around and dunk, so it must be easy for them to just keep indulging in their old diets.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Yeah, discipline and habits. Very challenging for me, and I’m in my 50s. If I told you the number of Milky Ways I’ve consumed in the last four years, you wouldn’t expect me to be alive. Most of them at 3am, in bed. When you feel like you are ‘getting away with it,’ it’s very difficult to believe you’re not. I’m still 6’3” 210. If I were 265, I’d have a different sense of urgency. These college kids are still lean, and still able to run around and dunk, so it must be easy for them to just keep indulging in their old diets.

Unfortunately, some of us could never dunk so we have nothing to go by to tell how far we’ve regressed

 

[Cusefan0307]

It's not you.

Has been discussed here.

There was an interview with him at Clemson where he said he was in best shape of his career and that he dropped weight and they had him on a special diet.

Embarrassing that was the case to be honest.

 

[kingtidge]

Embarrassing that was the case to be honest.

No surprise Cabiles is out after the Girard situation.

It was literally a night and day example of how one of our players can go elsewhere and get in WAY better shape.

 

[rrlbees]

No surprise Cabiles is out after the Girard situation.

It was literally a night and day example of how one of our players can go elsewhere and get in WAY better shape.

Cabiles being gone had nothing to do with the gross exaggeration of Joes improved condition. Why wasn’t he fired before this season then?

 

[sufandu]

It’s hard to judge the nutritionist without insight into the objectives and resources she was given.

Nutritionists are there to make recommendations; they usually don’t have license to say, “this is what you’re eating, deal with it.”

Without a goal set by S&C to bulk players up, the nutritionist is really just there to make sure guys don’t get fat, which hasn’t seemed to be an issue since the new one joined. Athletes burning the calories these guys burn can eat a lot of takeout and not get fat. They’ll be consuming enough calories that the micros will take care of themselves. It’s all macros and there’s a good chance they’re automatically getting enough protein and carbs to fuel their bodies. If they don’t have a strength goal set by the coaches or S&C, there’s nothing for the nutritionist to target. We don’t have guys who need to cut weight, so what is there for her to do? Just maintaining player weight might be the objective she was given.

There’s also the possibility that on a bad team with players who weren’t expected to be around the following season, the staff gave up on caring how the players ate or worked out. If there’s no light at the end of the tunnel and you’re not bringing these guys back, why care? It’ll be more interesting to see if things change in this area with the new guys.

There's more to nutrition than losing weight or bulking up. They can also advise on supplements for optimal health and performance. I read a few years ago how the OSU football nutritionist had the players on vitamin D supplements to make up for the lack of sun exposure in the winter. Tney're more than just calorie counters, or at least they should be.

 

[sufandu]

Houston’s SC coach:

Gotta be careful though. Getting too built will hamper your shooting. *eye roll*

 

[kingtidge]

Cabiles being gone had nothing to do with the gross exaggeration of Joes improved condition. Why wasn’t he fired before this season then?

Maybe it was a culmination of lack of player strength and conditioning progress then that got Cabiles fired??

If not, you explain why he was fired then...

Also, gross exaggeration on Joe's fitness improvement at Clemson by whom??

Below is what Joe said himself regarding his conditioning work and diet at Clemson and their S&C guy, Preston Greene...

Is he exaggerating??

 

[Brooky03]

There's more to nutrition than losing weight or bulking up. They can also advise on supplements for optimal health and performance. I read a few years ago how the OSU football nutritionist had the players on vitamin D supplements to make up for the lack of sun exposure in the winter. Tney're more than just caloroe counters, or at least they should be.

That kind of stuff has marginal benefits, though, if any. Vitamin D, or any vitamin, intake isn’t going to show up in a player’s performance on the court or field unless they’re significantly deficient, which is unlikely even in the cold and dark winter months up north. The issues with vitamin D deficiency center around mood and bone health. Mood is highly subjective and not much of a consideration for athletic performance. Bone health sounds important but, for guys running and/or lifting weights regularly, their bones are going to respond to that stimuli and will be plenty dense, even if their calcium absorption isn’t optimal. You wouldn’t expect to see any difference in the occurrence of broken bones because their vitamin D levels were low for 3 or 4 months. If we were talking about 70 year olds, yeah it’d be a different story.

Vitamins aren’t bad. Supplementing diet with vitamins isn’t bad. It’s just not going to make a difference in how high you jump or how fast you run or how injury prone you are.

 

[sufandu]

That kind of stuff has marginal benefits, though, if any. Vitamin D, or any vitamin, intake isn’t going to show up in a player’s performance on the court or field unless they’re significantly deficient, which is unlikely even in the cold and dark winter months up north. The issues with vitamin D deficiency center around mood and bone health. Mood is highly subjective and not much of a consideration for athletic performance. Bone health sounds important but, for guys running and/or lifting weights regularly, their bones are going to respond to that stimuli and will be plenty dense, even if their calcium absorption isn’t optimal. You wouldn’t expect to see any difference in the occurrence of broken bones because their vitamin D levels were low for 3 or 4 months. If we were talking about 70 year olds, yeah it’d be a different story.

Vitamins aren’t bad. Supplementing diet with vitamins isn’t bad. It’s just not going to make a difference in how high you jump or how fast you run or how injury prone you are.

The vitamin D thing was just one example. Micronutrients are just as important as macronutrients. They contribute to all the chemical processes of the body and intense physical activity increases the demand for them. Even with the single example you give, mood can affect energy levels and energy levels affect exercise intensity. It's all connected. If all we need are calorie counters, just download some app. Plug in a guy's numbers and goals and let it spit out a calorie number to make him lean or bulk up.

 

[rrlbees]

Maybe it was a culmination of lack of player strength and conditioning progress then that got Cabiles fired??

If not, you explain why he was fired then...

Also, gross exaggeration on Joe's fitness improvement at Clemson by whom??

Below is what Joe said himself regarding his conditioning work and diet at Clemson and their S&C guy, Preston Greene...

Is he exaggerating??

I didn’t say he didn’t get in better shape, I said it was greatly exaggerated by some. I also said Joe isn’t why Cabiles got fired.

 

[kingtidge]

I didn’t say he didn’t get in better shape, I said it was greatly exaggerated by some. I also said Joe isn’t why Cabiles got fired.

So why was Cabiles canned then in your opinion?

On JGIII... I watched him play a couple times for Clemson (when not playing us) and he looked like a different player for sure from a foot speed and stamina standpoint.

I saw no second half waning fizzle-outs when he ran out of gas, like we saw here (and people here blaming his "asthma" for his wear down in games he played for us.)

To be fair, Clemson didn't shoehorn him into starting PG minutes either, which likely helped his stamina some, but he was also playing M2M defense there as well.

 

[Brooky03]

The vitamin D thing was just one example. Micronutrients are just as important as macronutrients. They contribute to all the chemical processes of the body and intense physical activity increases the demand for them. Even with the single example you give, mood can affect energy levels and energy levels affect exercise intensity. It's all connected. If all we need are calorie counters, just download some app. Plug in a guy's numbers and goals and let it spit out a calorie number to make him lean or bulk up.

At the calorie levels of these athletes, though, even an unbalanced diet will give them all of the micronutrients they need. That’s one of the points I made in my original post. If you’re exclusively eating candy bars and burgers, yeah, you’re gonna need some help but most people are not vitamin deficient with an average diet. There’s a reason multivitamins are generally not recommended for anybody.

 

[sufandu]

At the calorie levels of these athletes, though, even an unbalanced diet will give them all of the micronutrients they need. That’s one of the points I made in my original post. If you’re exclusively eating candy bars and burgers, yeah, you’re gonna need some help but most people are not vitamin deficient with an average diet. There’s a reason multivitamins are generally not recommended for anybody.

So I guess nutritionists are unnecessary for these guys. Lets save some money.

 

[Brooky03]

So I guess nutritionists are unnecessary for these guys. Lets save some money.

Not at all what I’m saying. Vitamins just aren’t going to be the part of the job that move the needle.

 

[sufandu]

Not at all what I’m saying. Vitamins just aren’t going to be the part of the job that move the needle.

It may not move the needle for you, but clearly it is part of the plan at other programs that don't share your opinion.

 

[Brooky03]

It may not move the needle for you, but clearly it is part of the plan at other programs that don't share your opinion.

“Clearly”

 

[dollarbill44]

Hanna Barbera?

They were always really strong in the Laffalympics.

 

[Bulldog04]

I saw the Job posted on the SU website. The salary is $60,000-$113,000. Are they freaking serious? This is one of the most important positions and they want to offer a base of $60k? I cannot believe that. They should be ashamed that’s what they want to offer for an integral part to a big time program

 

[Cheriehoop]

I saw the Job posted on the SU website. The salary is $60,000-$113,000. Are they freaking serious? This is one of the most important positions and they want to offer a base of $60k? I cannot believe that. They should be ashamed that’s what they want to offer for an integral part to a big time program

Of course the cost of living in Boston is much higher than in Syracuse but BC is also looking for a head strength and conditioning coach for their men’s and women’s basketball team. Head Basketball Strength & Conditioning Coach - Boston College - HoopDirt

According to google’s AI “The average salary for a head strength and conditioning coach in men's basketball can vary, but generally falls within the range of $60,500 to $84,575. However, top earners can reach salaries of $113,000 or more, according to Indeed. ”