Louie and Bouie
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This thread is funny when taken in context of our prior few staffs years on the trail. It makes it apparent that in any given year, if you're all in on the HC then the fan base must trust the process and recruiting is fine no matter the outside evaluation of a prospect. Conversely, if you have some issues with the HC then recruiting is disaster and we'll never be able to win at a P5 level with our incoming prospects. This is hyperbolic but the point remains.
The current coaching staff has 8 wins in two years which continues a trend over the past 13 years in which we've won an average of about 4.5 games per year. The program has gone from beating Ohio St, Georgia and Clemson in bowl games to a perennial also ran that's made 3 bowl games in 13 seasons. The reasons for this downfall are as many as you would like to opine but the fact is we are currently bottom tier P5 program and trying to sell that product is very difficult.
The reality, in recruiting, with the fan base, with national perception, etc. is we need to win and we need to win now or this trend will continue as we move forward. The shiny new object that is #OITNF will get a little duller as time goes by if it doesn't produce wins. The competitiveness argument simply doesn't resonate enough with recruits when your track record shows 4-8 year after year after year. Need to have consistent 6+ wins and then you can sell the method.
P.S. This isn't a shot at Babers or at this recruit. Its just a general observation that came to mind when I read the back and forth in this thread. As previously stated, I'm a long time season ticket holder and with the squad whether good or bad and I'm old enough to remember the most recent glory days of SU football. These days I'd settle for bowl games on a consistent basis.
The current coaching staff has 8 wins in two years which continues a trend over the past 13 years in which we've won an average of about 4.5 games per year. The program has gone from beating Ohio St, Georgia and Clemson in bowl games to a perennial also ran that's made 3 bowl games in 13 seasons. The reasons for this downfall are as many as you would like to opine but the fact is we are currently bottom tier P5 program and trying to sell that product is very difficult.
The reality, in recruiting, with the fan base, with national perception, etc. is we need to win and we need to win now or this trend will continue as we move forward. The shiny new object that is #OITNF will get a little duller as time goes by if it doesn't produce wins. The competitiveness argument simply doesn't resonate enough with recruits when your track record shows 4-8 year after year after year. Need to have consistent 6+ wins and then you can sell the method.
P.S. This isn't a shot at Babers or at this recruit. Its just a general observation that came to mind when I read the back and forth in this thread. As previously stated, I'm a long time season ticket holder and with the squad whether good or bad and I'm old enough to remember the most recent glory days of SU football. These days I'd settle for bowl games on a consistent basis.