Class of 2024 SG Gavin Doty (NY) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (4/7/26)

[CuseFaninVT]

When you start writing what Doty will do as though it's an SNL sketch, I know there isn't enough evidence to back it up.

Doty beat Bill Brasky in a drinking contest! Doty has an unofficial 9.47 in the 100 meter dash! Doty once saved a mother stuck under a burning Ford F150 by lifting it up with one hand, while pulling her out with the other.

Upon Chuck Norris' death, his soul rose from his body and entered into Doty's claiming "this is the only human being that is worthy of this much manliness".

Doty went 14-0 with 14 knockouts in Mike Tyson's Punch Out!

Godspeed to all. I like Doty. But good lord the expectations are outlandish for this kid.

I think it’s his mom or sister

 

[Cusester]

I haven't read this whole thread so if this has already been mentioned my apologies. From the little I've seen of him I keep thinking of Marty Byrnes. Different positions but both upstate kids that were under recruited and used a high energy style to outplay more talented opponents. Winners that get the most out of their abilities.

Marty Byrnes

Syracuse University basketball profile for Marty Byrnes, player for the Orangemen. Played in the NBA for Phoenix, New Orleans, Los Angeles Lakers, Dallas and Indiana

www.orangehoops.org

 

[baggerbob]

I suspect due to where some have set expectations for him it's far more likely he doesn't meet the lofty expectations some have for him. Does he have the beef needed to outplay his position at the ACC level?

The Doty mythology is already pretty thick.

And for that reason, he shall forever be known by the nickname... Thickburger.

If this kid outplayed some people's expectations he will be a 1st round draft pick next year. Realistically if he can play well enough to be an average shooting guard that's all you can expect.

 

[Irishsecra1]

I think it’s his mom or sister

Never met the kid but I respect Gerry’s opinion and believe this kid will be a difference maker.
And I support anyone who works his ass off to improve, naysayers be damned.
There have been damn few of those players on SU for the last 10 years.

No matter what I think, or other posters think, we will all see how he performs next year when the games start.

Though I do think you can come up with a better nickname than thick burger, sounds like an offensive lineman or a fat cook!

 

[bnoro]

And I support anyone who works his ass off to improve, naysayers be damned.
There have been damn few of those players on SU for the last 10 years.

This is an insane statement. You don't think any of the kids in the last 10 years have been working hard to improve? Or you just think Buddy and JGIII worked hard to improve and no one else?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This is an insane statement. You don't think any of the kids in the last 10 years have been working hard to improve? Or you just think Buddy and JGIII worked hard to improve and no one else?

It is an objective statement that JGIII's demonstrated fitness improvements indicate he worked harder as a Clemson player than he did as a Syracuse player.

 

[Actionthrill]

I never followed Sienna even though GMAC was my favorite SU player of all time. So I don’t know about Doty. For people that do know how does his game translate to the ACC? And do you think he can average around 15 to 18 points a game at SU this year? Is he a shooter or a driver or a bit of both? Thanks in advance for answering my questions.

 

[donniesyracuse]

It is an objective statement that JGIII's demonstrated fitness improvements indicate he worked harder as a Clemson player than he did as a Syracuse player.

It might just be indicative of the differences in pizza quality between the two regions.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

It is an objective statement that JGIII's demonstrated fitness improvements indicate he worked harder as a Clemson player than he did as a Syracuse player.

And who was his position coach when at SU?

 

[Lester J]

I think I agree with your comment. Doty isn't Davis or Lucas Taylor. But they were just recent examples of guys who were very good at lower levels that were out of place in the ACC. Both of them missed certain physical attributes that made the game harder at this level.

Doty, similarly, lacks the athleticism that dominates wings in the ACC. Maybe his skill level will make up for it, I don't know.

One thing to consider is that both guys referenced came from leagues significantly higher rated (in the last year they competed there) than the MAAC was in Doty's sophomore year. Not only does he have some of the same concerns (below average size for P4 at his position, lacking P4 athleticism), but he is coming from an even weaker league. Huge hurdles for Doty to jump.

Conversely, Red also was selecting Davis and Lucas Taylor in a time when he had insufficient budget. He got the best players he could without any money after everybody he really wanted went somewhere else.

Doty clearly wasn't an also ran, at least not to GMAC. I genuinely think GMAC is really excited to have Doty on his team next season. I hope it doesn't become a legacy defining decision in a bad way.

Even very smart people can have critical blind spots.

EDIT: Just so we have numbers:

Jyare Davis, Delaware State: 182nd by SRS, playing in the CAA, 19th ranked conference by SRS -5.01
Lucas Taylor, Georgia State: 215 by SRS, playing in the Sun Belt 17th conference, -3.41 SRS
Doty: Siena: MAAC 25th by SRS -9.98

For reference, I just looked up the BPR for all three of these players:
Davis: 3.07 at Delaware '23-'24; 2.21 at Cuse '24-'25
Taylor: -0.59 at GA State '23-'24; 1.08 at Cuse '24-'25
Doty: 3.35 at Siena '25-'26; TBD at Cuse '26-'27

 

[Orangezoo]

I really don’t understand how this thread has unfolded. He’s a good addition who will have to earn a starting spot if he gets it. He is obviously not a bum and has some game that brings value. Maybe we can all just agree on that and see how his career progresses.

 

[Sbucketball]

When Doty slices onions, the onions cry.

 

[Irishsecra1]

This is not worth the time to argue.
You have your opinion and we will see how it all shakes out next year.
I dare say you hope he is as good as I think, because then the team will have a better chance to win.
And in the final analysis, that’s all anyone on this board hopes for.

 

[dasher]

I’m not worried about Kiyan at all. I think people are sleeping on him and Sadiq.

I'm very worried about him. He has a air of entitlement. The ball stopped with him. Hopefully he gets on the Gerry train. If he doesn't, he won't play

 

[dasher]

I never followed Sienna even though GMAC was my favorite SU player of all time. So I don’t know about Doty. For people that do know how does his game translate to the ACC? And do you think he can average around 15 to 18 points a game at SU this year? Is he a shooter or a driver or a bit of both? Thanks in advance for answering my questions.

There is no way that Doty averages 15 to 18 pts a game in the ACC next year.

 

[Orangezoo]

I'm very worried about him. He has a air of entitlement. The ball stopped with him. Hopefully he gets on the Gerry train. If he doesn't, he won't play

Big thing is he can’t be around a bunch of guys who aren’t pressing and taking it seriously. That was a major problem last year. I don’t see that being an issue this year and thus he has to step up. There is a good book called Scarcity- for some it’s that back to the wall moment that wakes up and unleashes the best for some. I think that Kiyan is a good example of that. He needed to fail last year. Kid hasn’t seen failure probably his entire life.

 

[donniesyracuse]

There is no way that Doty averages 15 to 18 pts a game in the ACC next year.

I could see it happening if the rest of the team is offensively challenged, but it won’t be an efficient 15 ppg.

 

[dasher]

I could see it happening if the rest of the team is offensively challenged, but it won’t be an efficient 15 ppg.

I don't see him averaging 15 either. That is a lot of pts a game. Plus, we have at least three other guys playing around the same position. Anthony. 3M and Aiden. Does Doty start? I can see him finishing. He is a terrific free throw shooter after all. But his time on the court could be what? 25 minutes a game or so.

 

[donniesyracuse]

I don't see him averaging 15 either. That is a lot of pts a game. Plus, we have at least three other guys playing around the same position. Anthony. 3M and Aiden. Does Doty start? I can see him finishing. He is a terrific free throw shooter after all. But his time on the court could be what? 25 minutes a game or so.

Whomever does it, I hope it’s done efficiently.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I don't see him averaging 15 either. That is a lot of pts a game. Plus, we have at least three other guys playing around the same position. Anthony. 3M and Aiden. Does Doty start? I can see him finishing. He is a terrific free throw shooter after all. But his time on the court could be what? 25 minutes a game or so.

I could see us going a number of different directions, but would not be shocked to see Kiyan get first look at starting for “reasons”. It doesn’t mean he will finish. I still think 3M will be the best scorer of the wings. I think he will struggle defending though. Tobiason is the best overall player. Doty probably finishes based on free throw shooting and defense alone.

 

[rrlbees]

I could see us going a number of different directions, but would not be shocked to see Kiyan get first look at starting for “reasons”. It doesn’t mean he will finish. I still think 3M will be the best scorer of the wings. I think he will struggle defending though. Tobiason is the best overall player. Doty probably finishes based on free throw shooting and defense alone.

exactly how i see it.

 

[sufan59]

I'm very worried about him. He has a air of entitlement. The ball stopped with him. Hopefully he gets on the Gerry train. If he doesn't, he won't play

Going to have to adjust to the new culture. Because this is not going to be Red's culture. I heard in one of the interviews (might've been Tobiason that he plans to get to Cuse in early June). I remember with Red they started summer workouts like two weeks after what felt like the rest of the country competing at the highest level. I only can speculate on what I know, you probably know a little more than me, but it just hasn't seemed like it was a loving basketball culture and that probably continued from the end of the Boeheim years. He can be a fantastic player, but he's got to be bought in and truly decide if he loves the sport because you will fall behind with GMAC if your not fully committed.

 

[Niastri]

I never followed Sienna even though GMAC was my favorite SU player of all time. So I don’t know about Doty. For people that do know how does his game translate to the ACC? And do you think he can average around 15 to 18 points a game at SU this year? Is he a shooter or a driver or a bit of both? Thanks in advance for answering my questions.

You know, that is a really good question.

I literally can't think of a place where we could find out more information about this Doty kid.

Maybe you can help me once you figure it out.

 

[Niastri]

For reference, I just looked up the BPR for all three of these players:
Davis: 3.07 at Delaware '23-'24; 2.21 at Cuse '24-'25
Taylor: -0.59 at GA State '23-'24; 1.08 at Cuse '24-'25
Doty: 3.35 at Siena '25-'26; TBD at Cuse '26-'27

I ran out of time earlier. BPR is competition adjusted, so is a good data point. Thanks