should've shelved shrader against Clemson

[Millhouse]

This next hire will be a statement of intent from the university.

Either we intend to compete or we intend to continue to be Tomato Can U.

Lots of big talk about NIL being sorted and new facilities getting us up to par with Lally, which is good.

However, If they cheap-out on the coaching hire and monies for assistants, we'll have our answer... A lot of fans would be disappointed and I think a chunk of might wash their hands clean of the program. Bit of a crossroads methinks, but we'll see.

As you mentioned, if it's rarely ever entertaining and fun anymore, what is the point?

eh, we're always on a precipice

the most likely outcome is the next guy stinks and we try again in three years.

if robinson wasn't bad enough to kill this program entirely...

 

[Scooch]

Dino kind of did this though, it seems.

Everyone is saying that Shrader's arm is attached to his body Frankenstein-style. And that he has the arm strength of a sickly T-Rex.

It's not like we taxed that arm much lately. He threw 60 passes total against UNC, FSU and VaTech. Maybe they should have shut him down like an MLB pitcher, but I get the sense that his arm was going to fail entirely at some point regardless.

I just wonder what the heck happened to his legs? Those are the appendages that have made any difference in his career.

 

[kingtidge]

eh, we're always on a precipice

the most likely outcome is the next guy stinks and we try again in three years.

if robinson wasn't bad enough to kill this program entirely...

I had season tix during Robinson era and drove 2.5 hrs each way for home games...

I am never doing that again unless some real and sustained improvement is achieved.

 

[Millhouse]

I had season tix during Robinson era and drove 2.5 hrs each way for home games...

I am never doing that again unless some real and sustained improvement is achieved.

i've had season tickets so long and hardly ever go. we do our best to find someone to use them.

 

[Millhouse]

Dino kind of did this though, it seems.

Everyone is saying that Shrader's arm is attached to his body Frankenstein-style. And that he has the arm strength of a sickly T-Rex.

It's not like we taxed that arm much lately. He threw 60 passes total against UNC, FSU and VaTech. Maybe they should have shut him down like an MLB pitcher, but I get the sense that his arm was going to fail entirely at some point regardless.

I just wonder what the heck happened to his legs? Those are the appendages that have made any difference in his career.

i'm assuming the hits added up. maybe it doesn't make a difference. but having him out there certainly didn't make a difference.

 

[Scooch]

i'm assuming the hits added up. maybe it doesn't make a difference. but having him out there certainly didn't make a difference.

For sure. He breaks down every year. And he's completely ineffective once he starts to get dinged up.

If his arm really has been held together with duct tape and spit since his surgery, then I do think it's quite fair to second-guess the way Dino and Beck have handled him this season.

 

[xc84]

He got hurt against VT. He was playing in that game regardless.

Benching him if he’s not injured (we can argue what the situation actually was) would’ve been a total embarrassment and a fireable offense.

Milly has taken Monday morning quarterbacking to a new level. Instead of the following Monday, he waited until the next month to say what should have happened. Everything is super "obvious" to him ... a month later.

"It's November and I just figured out what Dino should have done in that September Clemson game. I will post about it!"

 

[DPCuse]

The time to rest him would have been early on v Colgate & Western Michigan when our backup QB should have led us to wins. And you pull him at the half when you are down big v Florida State, UNC and Va Tech. If we had done that, perhaps, CDRW would have been more effective v BC this past weekend given more reps.

 

[PhatOrange]

Dino has never handled personnel correctly.

I’ve made this point repeatedly over the last few years.

Last year Wilson played bare minimum snaps against UConn and I’m not sure made a pass. Most teams try to ‘develop the underbelly’ during games like that and get the 2nd team QB meaningful snaps running the whole playbook. Even in bad losses teams do this.

Babers is simply bad and could maybe argue the worse Syracuse head coach in 50 years. I can’t even believe he’s still coaching this weekend.

**Edit**
looked at the UConn Box score. Wilson entered the game at 12:25 in 4th Q up 48-14
He threw 3 passes and ran twice.
Allen ran 7 times
Babers just tried to kill clock and run out the 4th.

There are a number of examples though;

Wagner in 2022 - 1 pass, 2 runs. HE DID NOT ENTER THE GAME UNTIL THE 4TH AND SYRACUSE ALREADY UP 56-0. ?wah?

FSU 38-3 L. 1 pass, 1 run. He entered with 3 minutes left in the game ?wah? Conversely FSU put their backup QB in the game mid 3rd Quarter.

 

[Chip]

Milly has taken Monday morning quarterbacking to a new level. Instead of the following Monday, he waited until the next month to say what should have happened. Everything is super "obvious" to him ... a month later.

"It's November and I just figured out what Dino should have done in that September Clemson game. I will post about it!"

People were suggesting it before the Clemson game. It was mostly dismissed. By me too.

But maybe after Shrader tried to squeeze out a couple more yards instead of sliding and got brain bashed on that first drive, we should have considered it. It was probably too late though.

Seems like the QB from the Purdue game was lost for the season on that play.

 

[djorange1989]

The big issue is, as usual, Babers didn’t have a viable option in the bullpen, that will be his epitaph at Syracuse

 

[Chip]

The big issue is, as usual, Babers didn’t have a viable option in the bullpen, that will be his epitaph at Syracuse

Emily tried to tease out of him who got the snaps this week, and he just got angry with her because he feels like he's always stuck in a gotcha question.

He should be nicer to her, she always inflates where the team should be in the power ratings. Has us 12 this week. Refuses to put as at 14 where we belong. When we lose to Pitt, she'll probably keep UVA behind us.

 

[Newhouser]

The big issue is, as usual, Babers didn’t have a viable option in the bullpen, that will be his epitaph at Syracuse

He is way to wary to give back-ups a chance. Tucker comes to mind. LQA last year, and i'm sure there are some this season we don't know about. He isn't good, but I still am not sold he is gone at the end of the season.

 

[dollarbill44]

Dino kind of did this though, it seems.

Everyone is saying that Shrader's arm is attached to his body Frankenstein-style. And that he has the arm strength of a sickly T-Rex.

It's not like we taxed that arm much lately. He threw 60 passes total against UNC, FSU and VaTech. Maybe they should have shut him down like an MLB pitcher, but I get the sense that his arm was going to fail entirely at some point regardless.

I just wonder what the heck happened to his legs? Those are the appendages that have made any difference in his career.

The body is one.

 

[Millhouse]

Milly has taken Monday morning quarterbacking to a new level. Instead of the following Monday, he waited until the next month to say what should have happened. Everything is super "obvious" to him ... a month later.

"It's November and I just figured out what Dino should have done in that September Clemson game. I will post about it!"

You got me! I am talking about something we should've done after the fact. Heavens to Betsy we talk about it.

People yell at me when I tell you ahead of time that shrader can't beat good teams over a year ago

 

[Cusefan0307]

Got some inside info on Shrader. Apparently it is not his elbow that is injured, but a different arm injury. There's a decent chance he may need surgery.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The big issue is, as usual, Babers didn’t have a viable option in the bullpen, that will be his epitaph at Syracuse

I'm not saying he's great, but maybe Lamson was the guy to keep. At least he hasn't thrown it to the other team as much as CDRW.

 

[SUinNWE]

I don't think we see Shrader again this season and Dino will die on the hill of being coy about it.

 

[djorange1989]

I'm not saying he's great, but maybe Lamson was the guy to keep. At least he hasn't thrown it to the other team as much as CDRW.

It was Lamson who decided to leave because he didn’t feel he had a chance to start, and he wasn’t as good of an option as Shrader. The inability to recruit and develop good QBs has been DBs biggest downfall, and there are plenty of downfalls on the list

 

[Chip]

He is way to wary to give back-ups a chance. Tucker comes to mind. LQA last year, and i'm sure there are some this season we don't know about. He isn't good, but I still am not sold he is gone at the end of the season.

But he didn't in the past. I get that maybe Tucker's talent and productivity changed up how you did it while you had him.

LQA isn't the same type of back Tucker was.

I don't watch this stuff as closely, so please correct me. But our one TD drive against VT, we used LQA and Price on the field at the same time for multiple plays. Have we seen it since, or was it a once in a row that Dino worried we had to scrap because future opponents now had film on it.

I'm so ready to move on if you can't tell.

 

[CanadianSU]

take the massacres against fsu unc and vt and maybe have him healthier for the bad teams at the end

it has been obvious to many people that shrader's not going to win much against good teams, what was the point.

Did you just put VT in the same sentence as FSU and UNC?

 

[Cusefan0307]

It was Lamson who decided to leave because he didn’t feel he had a chance to start, and he wasn’t as good of an option as Shrader. The inability to recruit and develop good QBs has been DBs biggest downfall, and there are plenty of downfalls on the list

If that's true than fine, but I was comparing him to CDRW.

 

[Millhouse]

Did you just put VT in the same sentence as FSU and UNC?

You just did too. Next time I'll use two sentences just for you

They killed us from the start and he played the whole game I think. 11 rushes for -42 yards

What was the point?

If he wanted to start him, fine, but they should've sat him quick

 

[Millhouse]

Got some inside info on Shrader. Apparently it is not his elbow that is injured, but a different arm injury. There's a decent chance he may need surgery.

Would love to know when it was hurt and if it happened when we were getting blown out

 

[Millhouse]

It was Lamson who decided to leave because he didn’t feel he had a chance to start, and he wasn’t as good of an option as Shrader. The inability to recruit and develop good QBs has been DBs biggest downfall, and there are plenty of downfalls on the list

Maybe in this case they recruited a good one and lost him before developing him because they were kinda stuck with an incumbent who was just good enough to not jettison.

Lamson is of course better than cdrw but would he really be any better than shrader this year? I doubt it based on his passing numbers

With transfer rules now, are teams going to get rid of ok upperclassmen to try to keep underclassmen who might end up better? I would feel gross being a trendsetter there