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I don't know where this will end up going. Writing as I go
200th in SRS
Defense better than offense
Good FT% horrible 3p%
That is not a good indicator for the quality of their offense or shots
Doty is 86% from the ft line
Can obviously shoot
Why is he a 32.6% shooter. Better in conference at 35.7
Coyle shot almost 3 more threes a game. He's a 30% three point shooter who shoots 82% from the ft line. He did shoot 39% the prior season
I'm tired of the wrong guys chucking

I'm nervous that it will be more terrible offense and bad shots

I have talked about looking at ft vs 3p for years so please don't accuse me of looking for something to criticize him about
 
Millhouse said:
I don't know where this will end up going. Writing as I go
200th in SRS
Defense better than offense
Good FT% horrible 3p%
That is not a good indicator for the quality of their offense or shots
Doty is 86% from the ft line
Can obviously shoot
Why is he a 32.6% shooter. Better in conference at 35.7
Coyle shot almost 3 more threes a game. He's a 30% three point shooter who shoots 82% from the ft line. He did shoot 39% the prior season
I'm tired of the wrong guys chucking

I'm nervous that it will be more terrible offense and bad shots

I have talked about looking at ft vs 3p for years so please don't accuse me of looking for something to criticize him about
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In many cases, the correlation between good FT pct. and good 3-point pct. is not as tight as one might assume.

Maybe more players should emulate the Hal Greer system. :)
 
longtimefan said:
In many cases, the correlation between good FT pct. and good 3-point pct. is not as tight as one might assume.

Maybe more players should emulate the Hal Greer system. :)
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I agree. But what other variable explains that? A bad offense where good shooters take bad shots

If you have, say, a senior shoot 90% from the line and only 33% from three on 9 three point attempts a game, your offense has a problem
 
Millhouse said:
I don't know where this will end up going. Writing as I go
200th in SRS
Defense better than offense
Good FT% horrible 3p%
That is not a good indicator for the quality of their offense or shots
Doty is 86% from the ft line
Can obviously shoot
Why is he a 32.6% shooter. Better in conference at 35.7
Coyle shot almost 3 more threes a game. He's a 30% three point shooter who shoots 82% from the ft line. He did shoot 39% the prior season
I'm tired of the wrong guys chucking

I'm nervous that it will be more terrible offense and bad shots

I have talked about looking at ft vs 3p for years so please don't accuse me of looking for something to criticize him about
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We shall see. But Gerry has shown no particular innovations or special aptitude in coaching offense.
 
rrlbees said:
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This is the first Xs and Os interview from a Syracuse head coach in a while which is refreshing. While it wasn’t analytics driven the situational aspect he’s talking about very much aligns with using analytics as to how you want to execute in certain scenarios. Look forward to hearing more. I did like how he mentioned outside guys when noting things about the staff as well alongside some familiar names too.
 
Millhouse said:
I don't know where this will end up going. Writing as I go
200th in SRS
Defense better than offense
Good FT% horrible 3p%
That is not a good indicator for the quality of their offense or shots
Doty is 86% from the ft line
Can obviously shoot
Why is he a 32.6% shooter. Better in conference at 35.7
Coyle shot almost 3 more threes a game. He's a 30% three point shooter who shoots 82% from the ft line. He did shoot 39% the prior season
I'm tired of the wrong guys chucking

I'm nervous that it will be more terrible offense and bad shots

I have talked about looking at ft vs 3p for years so please don't accuse me of looking for something to criticize him about
Expand...

There isn’t a great correlation between FT shooting and 3pt shooting ability. I take it you’re identifying good shooters with FT% and if their 3pt% is low, that means the types of shots are the problem and not the shooter?

I’m not sure that holds up.
 
Millhouse said:
I don't know where this will end up going. Writing as I go
200th in SRS
Defense better than offense
Good FT% horrible 3p%
That is not a good indicator for the quality of their offense or shots
Doty is 86% from the ft line
Can obviously shoot
Why is he a 32.6% shooter. Better in conference at 35.7
Coyle shot almost 3 more threes a game. He's a 30% three point shooter who shoots 82% from the ft line. He did shoot 39% the prior season
I'm tired of the wrong guys chucking

I'm nervous that it will be more terrible offense and bad shots

I have talked about looking at ft vs 3p for years so please don't accuse me of looking for something to criticize him about
Expand...

I share that concern.

Please note, I'm not making a prediction, but the recent examples from the Boeheim tree have all struggled in terms of offensive systems, poor shots, etc. Hopkins had a terrible offense his last few years at UW. Red had no discernible offensive concept.

I'm a little nervous seeing your high-level conclusion, given that GMac is also part of that same coaching tree. Again, doesn't mean that it won't be different -- but the previous two guys were no-trick ponies when it came to offense.
 
Brooky03 said:
There isn’t a great correlation between FT shooting and 3pt shooting ability. I take it you’re identifying good shooters with FT% and if their 3pt% is low, that means the types of shots are the problem and not the shooter?

I’m not sure that holds up.
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Yes. There is no better test of shooting than free throws because there are no other variables

There aren't good three point shooters who are bad from the ft line.

There are bad three point shooters who are good from the ft line. The confounding variable is bad shots
 
RF2044 said:
I share that concern.

Please note, I'm not making a prediction, but the recent examples from the Boeheim tree have all struggled in terms of offensive systems, poor shots, etc. Hopkins had a terrible offense his last few years at UW. Red had no discernible offensive concept.

I'm a little nervous seeing your high-level conclusion, given that GMac is also part of that same coaching tree. Again, doesn't mean that it won't be different -- but the previous two guys were no-trick ponies when it came to offense.
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GMAC as a player is an obvious example but look at Joe Girard if you want to only look at GMAC coaching

Jg Always great from the line.
Went from good 3p% to great at Clemson.
It's the offense
 
Millhouse said:
Yes. There is no better test of shooting than free throws because there are no other variables

There aren't good three point shooters who are bad from the ft line.

There are bad three point shooters who are good from the ft line. The confounding variable is bad shots
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I think the premise that free throwing shooting ability carries over to 3pt shooting ability is flawed, so it’s hard to make any conclusions from data based on this premise.
 
ChatGPT spit out some NBA players for me who are good 3pt shooters but relatively poor FT shooters.

Marcus Smart
Lonzo Ball
Draymond Green
Dillon Brooks
Jae Crowder

The list of good FT shooters who are poor 3pt shooters is quite long.
 
Millhouse said:
Yes. There is no better test of shooting than free throws because there are no other variables

There aren't good three point shooters who are bad from the ft line.

There are bad three point shooters who are good from the ft line. The confounding variable is bad shots
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What about Betsey. ?
 
Millhouse said:
GMAC as a player is an obvious example but look at Joe Girard if you want to only look at GMAC coaching

Jg Always great from the line.
Went from good 3p% to great at Clemson.
It's the offense
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His last 2 years at Cuse he was great from the 3pt line, not good.

40%
38%
41%

That doesn’t point to a difference in good shot volume in the offenses.
 
Orangezoo said:
This is the first Xs and Os interview from a Syracuse head coach in a while which is refreshing. While it wasn’t analytics driven the situational aspect he’s talking about very much aligns with using analytics as to how you want to execute in certain scenarios. Look forward to hearing more. I did like how he mentioned outside guys when noting things about the staff as well alongside some familiar names too.
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I didn't understand most of it, but if nothing else, it beats saying "you know, Level 5, you know".
 
Brooky03 said:
His last 2 years at Cuse he was great from the 3pt line, not good.

40%
38%
41%

That doesn’t point to a difference in good shot volume in the offenses.
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Even with your cherry picking 40 to 43 is a huge jump
 

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