Signing Day Drama

[Cheriehoop]

We have a 3-9 football team that has a recruiting class that is the consensus worst in the ACC. I don't think doom and gloom is unreasonable.

Well maybe it would be better for everyone and make more sense if you went on a Michigan fan site and cheered/bragged about your phenomenal class with them while SU fans discuss our class. Wouldn't everyone be happier?

 

[SUFaninNJ]

We have a 3-9 football team that has a recruiting class that is the consensus worst in the ACC. I don't think doom and gloom is unreasonable.

I thought consensus meant that everyone was in agreement. When I checked, 24/7 was the only site that had SU's recruiting class as the worst in the ACC. Maybe that word has a different meaning in the Mitten.

 

[CanadianSU]

A lot of Michigan fans up here (Who isn't a Michigan fan in Canada :noidea think this is there worst class in a while.

They are still optimistic with there situation however... Which sucks for me.

But seriously idgac about Michigans recruiting class when we just signed some talented young men, ...sorry.

 

[CanadianSU]

In which world?

247 Composite: Michigan #35, Syracuse #63
Scout: Michigan #36, Syracuse #48
Rivals: Michigan #56, Syracuse #62 (missing 2 UofM commits)

Michigan: 7 4-stars (out of 14 commits)
Syracuse: 0 (out of 26 commits)

Come on, I'm a Syracuse man first, but your post is just plain idiotic.

Not to get involved here but comparing Michigans recruiting class with a coach making 100 million to Syracuse is really ridiculous. (And I believe Syracuse's class is not that far off of Michigans this year..

You know better

 

[qdawgg]

This thread went downhill quick. I would rather have read about Rutgers. Why the hell are we debating about Michigan on an SU thread? Ridiculous.

 

[javadoc]

We have a 3-9 football team that has a recruiting class that is the consensus worst in the ACC. I don't think doom and gloom is unreasonable.

"Consensus"? Check the margin of error on those "measurements".

No one in the ACC stank up the joint. Outside of about 5-6 teams at the top, distinguishing between the rest is a crapshoot. The measurements aren't accurate enough (or in some cases, even precise enough - see Qaadir Sheppard) to say that GT's or Pitt's class is clearly better than ours.

Sorry, no one can reasonably say that we have the worst class in the ACC, hands down. We have a class that gives us enough talent to be competitive with almost anyone in the conference, as do many of the other teams. And that's it.

 

[orangencpolice]

Wow it's crazy to see that Duke, a team that finished 9-4 with New Years Day bowl hopes finished 1 spot ahead of us in recruiting. Also, Kansas State who was in the Top Ten for a majority of the year finished 6 spots above us. That's promising, right?

Cutcliffe has gotten two and three star players for the last three years. He has turned the program around completely. They went from the laughing stock of the ACC to Conference Championship contenders. This is a prime example of why coaching is a main factor. It's not about getting all four and five star players on the team. If your coach isn't good, your team won't be good either. This is why I am happy with this year's class considering last year's debacle on the field. I am hoping that we will see some positive changes starting with the first three games. If we don't blow out Rhode Island I will be recording a lot of the games and watching them later after I mow the grass. Go Cuse.

 

[orangencpolice]

I am going over to the Michigan's forum to tell them how bad their basketball team sucks.

 

[bcubs9497]

So let me get this straight, you try to troll me with a post that you said yourself was meant to irritate me. I respond in-kind with actual facts and point out that the *post* was idiotic, and you're going to show indignation and complain about not getting better love?

Ok then.

You're one of "those" fans. No amount of facts in rebuttal of your "facts" would do any good. So, I won't bother.

 

[NKR1978]

So let me get this straight, you try to troll me with a post that you said yourself was meant to irritate me. I respond in-kind with actual facts and point out that the *post* was idiotic, and you're going to show indignation and complain about not getting better love?

Ok then.

Is it really trolling when it's directed at a program many of us hate? I never thought Syracuse fans on a Syracuse message board should have to worry about offending fans of other teams, especially when that was the beneficiary of horrendous officiating at the Final Four. With Habaugh, Meyer and Franklin, the B1G East has a triumvirate of d***bag coaches.

 

[memcorsu]

• One of the top 5 kickers in the nation
• One of the top 2 long snappers
• Multiple starters from state championship teams including two starting linemen from one of the top teams in the nation
• Multiple players who were starters in the state championship and lost
• Many players who came off being wooed by "the big boys"
• This class is made up of mostly big uglies, they are all huge, athletic, and the thing I noticed most "mean". Sorry but recruiting sites are like HS, the prettiest kids get the stars but it is usually the middle of the pack that make that first class reunion having done so much more. I am not saying that I wouldn't take the kids that have the top "measurables" but this kids arn't "slaw". Between this class and last class the line recruits we pulled is going to bode well for us. Trust me, this staff knows what they are looking for and what will be effective and it lines up nicely with what type of players we pulled when we were highly competitive program.

• Every kid in this class has a chip on their shoulder including the baby faced long snapper.
• Coaches identified who they wanted earlier and were able to keep almost every player they identified.
• Many of these guys were contacted by "big boys" and the said "thanks, but no thanks" thus not getting the pageant treatment from recruiting sites.
• Many of these kids committed early and didn't go to camps where you are rewarded "hype" for attending
• We got back into the recruiting grounds that were so strong for us historically pulling players out of OH, PA, NJ, and New England.
• This is the second class that I feel top to bottom every player can play at this level and be a major contributor unlike where we were in the past decade. The one player who I think is a reach is Carter who I know very little about, and seemed to come from obscurity. Not an indictment against him, just that I know so little about him. Yet, having worked with this type of kids, I can honestly say they have a drive created by there circumstances that cannot be replicated unless you walked in their shoes. I'll defer to the coaches with him.

I am not saying that this class is top class in the nation but to be there is no reason to be down on this class. This is a very very strong class that meets our needs for what we need in terms of fulfilling the voids that will be left as players finish their careers in the next couple of years. I cannot stress how good this DL,OL pull is and I agree with SS that there are so of these guys that will be joining the Jones boys as major NFL contributors if they put in the work. This leads me to another point, every one of these players are intelligent/driven and will put in the work to get done what they need to do.

I am going to dare say that there are some DL/TE recruits in this class that are equally if not more impressive then young Wheatly and do not get the credit who played against much higher talent. Now, I would have loved to land a player that has that kind of size and would be foolish to say I wouldn't.

I am not saying recruiting sites and rankings are not helpful. I am saying that it is one of many tools that should be used to look at a class. I think that you would be very pleasantly surprised in a few years when these gentlemen from the last two classes have developed.

The one knock I have on this class is that I would have loved to see more secondary help. Look for skilled players to be the major theme of next years class.

 

[TheCusian]

[*]One of the top 5 kickers in the nation [*]One of the top 2 long snappers [*]Multiple starters from state championship teams including two starting linemen from one of the top teams in the nation [*]Multiple players who were starters in the state championship and lost [*]Many players who came off being wooed by "the big boys" [*]This class is made up of mostly big uglies, they are all huge, athletic, and the thing I noticed most "mean". Sorry but recruiting sites are like HS, the prettiest kids get the stars but it is usually the middle of the pack that make that first class reunion having done so much more. I am not saying that I wouldn't take the kids that have the top "measurables" but this kids arn't "slaw". Between this class and last class the line recruits we pulled is going to bode well for us. Trust me, this staff knows what they are looking for and what will be effective and it lines up nicely with what type of players we pulled when we were highly competitive program. [*]Every kid in this class has a chip on their shoulder including the baby faced long snapper. [*]Coaches identified who they wanted earlier and were able to keep almost every player they identified. [*]Many of these guys were contacted by "big boys" and the said "thanks, but no thanks" thus not getting the pageant treatment from recruiting sites. [*]Many of these kids committed early and didn't go to camps where you are rewarded "hype" for attending [*]We got back into the recruiting grounds that were so strong for us historically pulling players out of OH, PA, NJ, and New England. [*]This is the second class that I feel top to bottom every player can play at this level and be a major contributor unlike where we were in the past decade. The one player who I think is a reach is Carter who I know very little about, and seemed to come from obscurity. Not an indictment against him, just that I know so little about him. Yet, having worked with this type of kids, I can honestly say they have a drive created by there circumstances that cannot be replicated unless you walked in their shoes. I'll defer to the coaches with him. I am not saying that this class is top class in the nation but to be there is no reason to be down on this class. This is a very very strong class that meets our needs for what we need in terms of fulfilling the voids that will be left as players finish their careers in the next couple of years. I cannot stress how good this DL,OL pull is and I agree with SS that there are so of these guys that will be joining the Jones boys as major NFL contributors if they put in the work. This leads me to another point, every one of these players are intelligent/driven and will put in the work to get done what they need to do. I am going to dare say that there are some DL/TE recruits in this class that are equally if not more impressive then young Wheatly and do not get the credit who played against much higher talent. Now, I would have loved to land a player that has that kind of size and would be foolish to say I wouldn't. I am not saying recruiting sites and rankings are not helpful. I am saying that it is one of many tools that should be used to look at a class. I think that you would be very pleasantly surprised in a few years when these gentlemen from the last two classes have developed. The one knock I have on this class is that I would have loved to see more secondary help. Look for skilled players to be the major theme of next years class.

Great post. Some people hate signing day because it comes with renewed hope - and that makes them and their unrelenting negativity feel uncomfy.

 

[SU2NASA]

• One of the top 5 kickers in the nation
• One of the top 2 long snappers
• Multiple starters from state championship teams including two starting linemen from one of the top teams in the nation
• Multiple players who were starters in the state championship and lost
• Many players who came off being wooed by "the big boys"
• This class is made up of mostly big uglies, they are all huge, athletic, and the thing I noticed most "mean". Sorry but recruiting sites are like HS, the prettiest kids get the stars but it is usually the middle of the pack that make that first class reunion having done so much more. I am not saying that I wouldn't take the kids that have the top "measurables" but this kids arn't "slaw". Between this class and last class the line recruits we pulled is going to bode well for us. Trust me, this staff knows what they are looking for and what will be effective and it lines up nicely with what type of players we pulled when we were highly competitive program.

• Every kid in this class has a chip on their shoulder including the baby faced long snapper.
• Coaches identified who they wanted earlier and were able to keep almost every player they identified.
• Many of these guys were contacted by "big boys" and the said "thanks, but no thanks" thus not getting the pageant treatment from recruiting sites.
• Many of these kids committed early and didn't go to camps where you are rewarded "hype" for attending
• We got back into the recruiting grounds that were so strong for us historically pulling players out of OH, PA, NJ, and New England.
• This is the second class that I feel top to bottom every player can play at this level and be a major contributor unlike where we were in the past decade. The one player who I think is a reach is Carter who I know very little about, and seemed to come from obscurity. Not an indictment against him, just that I know so little about him. Yet, having worked with this type of kids, I can honestly say they have a drive created by there circumstances that cannot be replicated unless you walked in their shoes. I'll defer to the coaches with him.

I am not saying that this class is top class in the nation but to be there is no reason to be down on this class. This is a very very strong class that meets our needs for what we need in terms of fulfilling the voids that will be left as players finish their careers in the next couple of years. I cannot stress how good this DL,OL pull is and I agree with SS that there are so of these guys that will be joining the Jones boys as major NFL contributors if they put in the work. This leads me to another point, every one of these players are intelligent/driven and will put in the work to get done what they need to do.

I am going to dare say that there are some DL/TE recruits in this class that are equally if not more impressive then young Wheatly and do not get the credit who played against much higher talent. Now, I would have loved to land a player that has that kind of size and would be foolish to say I wouldn't.

I am not saying recruiting sites and rankings are not helpful. I am saying that it is one of many tools that should be used to look at a class. I think that you would be very pleasantly surprised in a few years when these gentlemen from the last two classes have developed.

The one knock I have on this class is that I would have loved to see more secondary help. Look for skilled players to be the major theme of next years class.

Good post and good analysis - I would love to be completely wrong in my skepticism about this year's class. If you noticed from last week, I was very happy with the Pickard pickup over Michigan (gasp, I know) and Wisconsin. I do agree that the staff went about addressing the needs that they needed to fill, however, we're not in the Big East anymore and while we're a better team than we were two days ago, so is everyone else in the conference (except maybe Duke who just lost more than they gained).

It seems like every year the fanbase is back at the same optimism and talking about how it's the best class yet since the GRob days. Maybe this is because we got nut punched for how many years, but here we are, how many seasons removed, and we're putting up 3-9 records (albeit with countless injuries) and rankings that the analysts are pegging at the bottom of the conference.

Again, I hope I'm completely wrong and we look back 4 years from now and these kids have won 4 bowls, and even just competed for a conference title. But after 3 bowl wins since GRob left, my expectation is that we should be looking at recruiting classes that are competing with the UNC's of the world rather than Wake.

Good analysis, best take I've seen so far.

 

[SU2NASA]

Is it really trolling when it's directed at a program many of us hate? I never thought Syracuse fans on a Syracuse message board should have to worry about offending fans of other teams, especially when that was the beneficiary of horrendous officiating at the Final Four. With Habaugh, Meyer and Franklin, the B1G East has a triumvirate of d***bag coaches.

In a thread asking about signing day for other teams?

And don't get me started about the officiating at the Final Four - I was so pissed that I couldn't even root for Michigan in the national title game. I still haven't gotten over it - can't get myself to actively follow them to this day.

 

[SU2NASA]

I am going over to the Michigan's forum to tell them how bad their basketball team sucks.

I recommend MGoBlog and I don't think you'll find much disagreement this year. Though the thing that I hate most about Michigan fans is the condescension toward any school that isn't Michigan (and yes, I've picked up some of that myself). The Pickard threads over there were downright insulting toward SU, which I hate about the UofM fanbase. The postseason ban one isn't much better. I can completely understand the hatred for a program like Michigan - it's why I hate playing them head-to-head (except in 1998 in football). Though we should all be able to agree that Ohio State fans are the worst people on the planet.

Not to get involved here but comparing Michigans recruiting class with a coach making 100 million to Syracuse is really ridiculous. (And I believe Syracuse's class is not that far off of Michigans this year..

You know better

To be fair, the post that started this asserted that Syracuse had a better recruiting class than Michigan.

Well maybe it would be better for everyone and make more sense if you went on a Michigan fan site and cheered/bragged about your phenomenal class with them while SU fans discuss our class. Wouldn't everyone be happier?

When did I ever say phenomenal? I said I was happy with it since Harbaugh had only two weeks and brought in a class that was top-20 in the nation in average stars.

If there's not supposed to be discussion of any other classes outside of SU, then perhaps there shouldn't be a thread that asks about other schools. The whole thing started with me talking about flips and devolved into Michigan hate which I responded to.

Anyway, feel free to delete the thread or lock it or whatever since obviously it devolved into something not intend to.

 

[cuseincincy]

You are in the minority- after a 3-9 season that saw the OC bite the dust mid season this is a very good class.

I don't care about rankings or stars but a poor record and the OC getting canned does not make the incoming players any better than they are. No one will have any idea how good this class is for about 2-3 years. On the plus side there are a lot fewer "project" players than we saw the past few years. Fewer 2* and unranked players that people used to hang their hats on when Marrone was recruiting them (anyone remember when most liked Marrone and thought he was good at finding "hidden gems" that he would be able to "coach up")? On the minus side I don't see the impact player we can point to and say, we're going to be better next year because of him.

 

[javadoc]

I don't care about rankings or stars but a poor record and the OC getting canned does not make the incoming players any better than they are. No one will have any idea how good this class is for about 2-3 years. On the plus side there are a lot fewer "project" players than we saw the past few years. Fewer 2* and unranked players that people used to hang their hats on when Marrone was recruiting them (anyone remember when most liked Marrone and thought he was good at finding "hidden gems" that he would be able to "coach up")? On the minus side I don't see the impact player we can point to and say, we're going to be better next year because of him.

Hofrichter.

Pretty tall order for any true freshman, anywhere, to be a sure fire "team improver". I don't think we're there yet, and might not ever have been in the modern era.

 

[TheCusian]

I don't care about rankings or stars but a poor record and the OC getting canned does not make the incoming players any better than they are. No one will have any idea how good this class is for about 2-3 years. On the plus side there are a lot fewer "project" players than we saw the past few years. Fewer 2* and unranked players that people used to hang their hats on when Marrone was recruiting them (anyone remember when most liked Marrone and thought he was good at finding "hidden gems" that he would be able to "coach up")? On the minus side I don't see the impact player we can point to and say, we're going to be better next year because of him.

Strickland.

 

[orangencpolice]

I don't always agree with what everyone on here says but I do respect opinions and don't debate over and over and over why I'm right. All someone said was that they believed Harbaugh would have brought in a better class than what he did with his reputation, even with the limited amount of time he had. You turned this thread into a drama session with your over support of a team that had the same type of season as Syracuse did. I say Syracuse because I still don't know what team you root for.

Most of us are pretty happy with this class and are excited for next year. We secured Clark and suprisingly aquired Pickard. Both had big schools after them. Does this mean we believe we are winning a National Championship? No, but we are happy with the players that we got that want to be here.

Don't disrespect any posters or parents of players on here for their opinion. If you really want to brag about Michigan Football, go to one of their forums. I am sure they would be glad to have you.

 

[xc84]

Speaking of Signing Day drama... is it just me or did anyone else find it funny that the self-imposed sanctions (i.e. bad publicity) were announced only after everyone was signed?

 

[orangencpolice]

Speaking of Signing Day drama... is it just me or did anyone else find it funny that the self-imposed sanctions (i.e. bad publicity) were announced only after everyone was signed?

I don't think it will affect the football team.

 

[xc84]

I don't think it will affect the football team.

I don't either.

 

[Statesman1]

I don't care about rankings or stars but a poor record and the OC getting canned does not make the incoming players any better than they are. No one will have any idea how good this class is for about 2-3 years. On the plus side there are a lot fewer "project" players than we saw the past few years. Fewer 2* and unranked players that people used to hang their hats on when Marrone was recruiting them (anyone remember when most liked Marrone and thought he was good at finding "hidden gems" that he would be able to "coach up")? On the minus side I don't see the impact player we can point to and say, we're going to be better next year because of him.

So, do you care about star rankings or not? On the one hand you say you don't care but on the other hand we have fewer 2* players and projects- so which is it? I agree with you that final judgements on the quality of any class won't be known for several years but we've got some good players. Personally I dont consider myself any type of judge of talent, especially from grainy high school footage, so I tend to go with the schools that are offering as a better measuring stick. I prefer we compete against the better P5 schools than Brown for players. By that standard we've got some pretty decent prospects imo. I also feel like its relative and the ACC had a good year as a whole, so we've got to keep improving in the future as well if we want to keep up.

 

[cuseincincy]

So, do you care about star rankings or not? On the one hand you say you don't care but on the other hand we have fewer 2* players and projects- so which is it? I agree with you that final judgements on the quality of any class won't be known for several years but we've got some good players. Personally I dont consider myself any type of judge of talent, especially from grainy high school footage, so I tend to go with the schools that are offering as a better measuring stick. I prefer we compete against the better P5 schools than Brown for players. By that standard we've got some pretty decent prospects imo. I also feel like its relative and the ACC had a good year as a whole, so we've got to keep improving in the future as well if we want to keep up.

I don't care about star rankings. But I'm not going to pretend they don't exist or that they are totally without merit. I tend to agree with you that the other schools recruiting them is a better measuring stick.

 

[xc84]

I don't care about star rankings. But I'm not going to pretend they don't exist or that they are totally without merit. I tend to agree with you that the other schools recruiting them is a better measuring stick.