slight specific letdown about Babers era

[Millhouse]

Our running backs are only averaging 4.48 yards per carry since 2018

4.48 was 57th in the country last year and that number includes sack yardage

Bowling green didn't run the ball that well either - baylor's gaudy rushing numbers are hard to duplicate.

It's fine - we are going to throw more than Baylor did because of the dome and that's what we should want. I don't want to fall into that dual threat trap - when you start focusing too much on a QBs rushing, you end up with QBs that can't throw. Passing first, rushing a nice bonus if you can get it

 

[Trueblue25]

Our running game seems to be based around pounding the middle to soften the line and linebackers to slow the pass rush and open up for downfield big pass plays.

I get it, I do.

But it’s a little bit of a shame because we have three homerun threats between our rb’s and they’re hardly allowed to hit the edge.

 

[rmtsu]

What has bothered me with the running game is the lack of sophistication, most runs seem to be the same run up the middle between the tackles and run into the pile. Now if the OL can open holes then that would be Ok, but we don't seem to have an overpowering OL and rarely do, even against FCS teams we have tended to struggle with this.

We have not run many sweeps, the one we did run against Liberty went for big yardage but was called back on a hold. Very few if any stretch type runs to allow the RB to angle out and pick a hole. This at least allows the back to bounce out and keep momentum even when getting hit. Running straight up the middle the backs get bottled up and have a hard time bouncing off hits and keeping forward momentum. Most of Maryland's runs were either off tackle but with the back having to ability to bounce outside but very few straight up the middle.
I believe teams see this and seem to be able to stuff runs by having to defend a small portion of the field with the run game. I know that Dungey was a threat to keep the ball and take off but given that DeVito hasn't been the running threat that Dungey was we've done a poor job of giving our RB's a chance to stretch the defense and pick holes. This leads to few long runs and puts more pressure on the passing game, heck we ran 2 straight times up the middle against Liberty and couldn't pick up a 1st down when we needed less than 2 yards. We will need a bit more imagination from Baber's in the run plays if we are to be successful this year especially given the way the OL has performed so far this year.

In 2 games I don't remember a jet sweep yet either to help get Riley or Johnson get involved in the offense with their speed to the outside, just something different to show the Defense and keep them thinking. Where were the screen passes or swing passes to keep the D honest? The Wr's have not played well but screens and swing passes help the passing game. I kept thinking we are holding back with Clemson coming up but really? I don't think this is the reason but I don't have any reason other than plain stubbornness from the coaching staff. It was the vanilla type play calling against Middle Tennessee that kept them in the game and limited us to 23 points and 2.6 yards rushing average, with Dungey doing most of the damage on the ground with his feet. Just very disappointed with the play calling which I don't believe has put us in a position to succeed offensively.

Has DeVito made mistakes sure, and needs to keep improving but the play calling and running game better get better or we will be in for a long season, especially if we need to start winning shootouts with the way the defense played Saturday. Still early but the need for improvement in almost all phases of the game is a bit disturbing.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

What has bothered me with the running game is the lack of sophistication, most runs seem to be the same run up the middle between the tackles and run into the pile. Now if the OL can open holes then that would be Ok, but we don't seem to have an overpowering OL and rarely do, even against FCS teams we have tended to struggle with this.

We have not run many sweeps, the one we did run against Liberty went for big yardage but was called back on a hold. Very few if any stretch type runs to allow the RB to angle out and pick a hole. This at least allows the back to bounce out and keep momentum even when getting hit. Running straight up the middle the backs get bottled up and have a hard time bouncing off hits and keeping forward momentum. Most of Maryland's runs were either off tackle but with the back having to ability to bounce outside but very few straight up the middle.
I believe teams see this and seem to be able to stuff runs by having to defend a small portion of the field with the run game. I know that Dungey was a threat to keep the ball and take off but given that DeVito hasn't been the running threat that Dungey was we've done a poor job of giving our RB's a chance to stretch the defense and pick holes. This leads to few long runs and puts more pressure on the passing game, heck we ran 2 straight times up the middle against Liberty and couldn't pick up a 1st down when we needed less than 2 yards. We will need a bit more imagination from Baber's in the run plays if we are to be successful this year especially given the way the OL has performed so far this year.

In 2 games I don't remember a jet sweep yet either to help get Riley or Johnson get involved in the offense with their speed to the outside, just something different to show the Defense and keep them thinking. Where were the screen passes or swing passes to keep the D honest? The Wr's have not played well but screens and swing passes help the passing game. I kept thinking we are holding back with Clemson coming up but really? I don't think this is the reason but I don't have any reason other than plain stubbornness from the coaching staff. It was the vanilla type play calling against Middle Tennessee that kept them in the game and limited us to 23 points and 2.6 yards rushing average, with Dungey doing most of the damage on the ground with his feet. Just very disappointed with the play calling which I don't believe has put us in a position to succeed offensively.

Has DeVito made mistakes sure, and needs to keep improving but the play calling and running game better get better or we will be in for a long season, especially if we need to start winning shootouts with the way the defense played Saturday. Still early but the need for improvement in almost all phases of the game is a bit disturbing.

Especially as we have a running back, Jordan, with reportedly all the speed in the world. I have to say, I don't understand the offense at all.

 

[RF2044]

What has bothered me with the running game is the lack of sophistication, most runs seem to be the same run up the middle between the tackles and run into the pile. Now if the OL can open holes then that would be Ok, but we don't seem to have an overpowering OL and rarely do, even against FCS teams we have tended to struggle with this.

We have not run many sweeps, the one we did run against Liberty went for big yardage but was called back on a hold. Very few if any stretch type runs to allow the RB to angle out and pick a hole. This at least allows the back to bounce out and keep momentum even when getting hit. Running straight up the middle the backs get bottled up and have a hard time bouncing off hits and keeping forward momentum. Most of Maryland's runs were either off tackle but with the back having to ability to bounce outside but very few straight up the middle.
I believe teams see this and seem to be able to stuff runs by having to defend a small portion of the field with the run game. I know that Dungey was a threat to keep the ball and take off but given that DeVito hasn't been the running threat that Dungey was we've done a poor job of giving our RB's a chance to stretch the defense and pick holes. This leads to few long runs and puts more pressure on the passing game, heck we ran 2 straight times up the middle against Liberty and couldn't pick up a 1st down when we needed less than 2 yards. We will need a bit more imagination from Baber's in the run plays if we are to be successful this year especially given the way the OL has performed so far this year.

In 2 games I don't remember a jet sweep yet either to help get Riley or Johnson get involved in the offense with their speed to the outside, just something different to show the Defense and keep them thinking. Where were the screen passes or swing passes to keep the D honest? The Wr's have not played well but screens and swing passes help the passing game. I kept thinking we are holding back with Clemson coming up but really? I don't think this is the reason but I don't have any reason other than plain stubbornness from the coaching staff. It was the vanilla type play calling against Middle Tennessee that kept them in the game and limited us to 23 points and 2.6 yards rushing average, with Dungey doing most of the damage on the ground with his feet. Just very disappointed with the play calling which I don't believe has put us in a position to succeed offensively.

Has DeVito made mistakes sure, and needs to keep improving but the play calling and running game better get better or we will be in for a long season, especially if we need to start winning shootouts with the way the defense played Saturday. Still early but the need for improvement in almost all phases of the game is a bit disturbing.

OL, OL, OL

A lot of talk this pre-season focused around the team going as far as the OL would take it, and at least through two games [with the injuries, players shuffling around, etc.] they haven't impressed.

Doesn't mean it can't change, but so far underperforming relative to what we need.

 

[cuseguy]

Our running backs are only averaging 4.48 yards per carry since 2018

4.48 was 57th in the country last year and that number includes sack yardage

Bowling green didn't run the ball that well either - baylor's gaudy rushing numbers are hard to duplicate.

It's fine - we are going to throw more than Baylor did because of the dome and that's what we should want. I don't want to fall into that dual threat trap - when you start focusing too much on a QBs rushing, you end up with QBs that can't throw. Passing first, rushing a nice bonus if you can get it

It’s not impossible to recruit a quarterback who can pass and run. I’m not saying DeVito is slow, but he lacks the intangibles you’d like to see in a QB. Hopefully that comes with time, but I don’t see it now.

 

[jgeorge322]

Our rbs are a bit overrated imo. The maryland rb was a lot better than all three. That being said, its prob the scheme and the ol talent.

 

[Trueblue25]

OL, OL, OL

A lot of talk this pre-season focused around the team going as far as the OL would take it, and at least through two games [with the injuries, players shuffling around, etc.] they haven't impressed.

Doesn't mean it can't change, but so far underperforming relative to what we need.

Agreed, and I am no coach. Perhaps the occasional run to the outside could draw the OLB and potentially safeties to respect our ground game more and lessen the pressure on TD on broken plays? Its noticeable the opposing coaches have afforded an extra safety to downfield coverage because we do not hit the outside with our rb’s.

We dont have the same OL, yet, to complement our up the middle runs and ware down the interior defense as we had in the past.

 

[rmtsu]

Definitely OL is a problem, has been here for a long time, and most have mentioned it, but we do nothing to try and scheme around it and give our running game a chance to succeed. OL is a problem so lets run right up the middle each time where they would have to be a strength to succeed.

We have seen this running scheme into the 4th year and without a running QB which I don't think we have to have, Devito is not immobile back there, we better get more innovative with the running game given the lack of push up front. Plus I kept hearing that the best OL are the guys redshirting, so yes we had an injury but that can't explain how bad they have looked this year. Hard to believe it is talent every year but boy something has to change. Maybe that is why we thought our defense was so good this year since they kept dominating the offense in scrimmages.

OL yes is among the many problems but I have seen nothing in 2 games from the coaching staff to help the offense succeed.

 

[Trueblue25]

Our rbs are a bit overrated imo. The maryland rb was a lot better than all three. That being said, its prob the scheme and the ol talent.

Disagree, our rb’s aren’t given a shot to hit the edge. All three have the ability to make a move in space, shed a defender and gain the first

 

[Orangello]

Seems we're on the horns of a dilemma here. Whether its a bad scheme or lack of talent, we're not getting the production out of our RB's that this O needs to have balance and succeed. Dino has acknowledged this.

If you're not getting yds via the running game, they have to come through the air. Unfortunately, our passing game is saddled with 3 key problems. A weak OL that is not giving our QB enough time to throw, WR's who are not getting separation and/or are not on the same page as our QB and a QB who is learning on the job and seems shaky right now.

Something has to turn here or its going to be a long year.

 

[Millhouse]

Definitely OL is a problem, has been here for a long time, and most have mentioned it, but we do nothing to try and scheme around it and give our running game a chance to succeed. OL is a problem so lets run right up the middle each time where they would have to be a strength to succeed.

We have seen this running scheme into the 4th year and without a running QB which I don't think we have to have, Devito is not immobile back there, we better get more innovative with the running game given the lack of push up front. Plus I kept hearing that the best OL are the guys redshirting, so yes we had an injury but that can't explain how bad they have looked this year. Hard to believe it is talent every year but boy something has to change. Maybe that is why we thought our defense was so good this year since they kept dominating the offense in scrimmages.

OL yes is among the many problems but I have seen nothing in 2 games from the coaching staff to help the offense succeed.

another solution is just throw every down like leach does

 

[Millhouse]

Seems we're on the horns of a dilemma here. Whether its a bad scheme or lack of talent, we're not getting the production out of our RB's that this O needs to have balance and succeed. Dino has acknowledged this.

If you're not getting yds via the running game, they have to come through the air. Unfortunately, our passing game is saddled with 3 key problems. A weak OL that is not giving our QB enough time to throw, WR's who are not getting separation and/or are not on the same page as our QB and a QB who is learning on the job and seems shaky right now.

Something has to turn here or its going to be a long year.

71%, 330 yards and we're calling it shaky

 

[Cuse12]

I tend to agree with a lot said.

Our OL is Weak:

I understand the middle runs to suck in backers, but with a line that can’t do much to open things it’s not working.

My correction like others would be to start stretching the defense laterally on runs. Sweeps, tosses and counters to Adams and let him make a man miss and do something with it. This could in fact then open up our inside game. We just need more positive running plays I don’t care where on the field they are.

My second correction. Why are we not throwing more bubble/outside wr screens to use like outside running plays? Tommy’s arm gets the ball out to the outside receivers much quicker the Eric’s but we are seeing less of them? Why?

Lastly, tommy needs to run on an RPO about 3-5 times a game and slide of course. But, even if he gets 3 yards, it’s somwthing! Not saying I want him to be like dungey one bit. But, I do want him to just make the LBs think about him and that half second thought can open up passes and runs.

God I love being a couch coach. It’s so easy to me! Lol

 

[Cuse12]

71%, 330 yards and we're calling it shaky

Lol! Right. I mean IMO he improved immensely and people are calling him shaky because our defense lost us the game in the first quarter.

 

[jgeorge322]

Disagree, our rb’s aren’t given a shot to hit the edge. All three have the ability to make a move in space, shed a defender and gain the first

No doubt theyre good but some on here speak of them as if theyre jim brown. Do you disagree that the md starter is not as good or better?

 

[SWC75]

Our running backs are only averaging 4.48 yards per carry since 2018

4.48 was 57th in the country last year and that number includes sack yardage

Bowling green didn't run the ball that well either - baylor's gaudy rushing numbers are hard to duplicate.

It's fine - we are going to throw more than Baylor did because of the dome and that's what we should want. I don't want to fall into that dual threat trap - when you start focusing too much on a QBs rushing, you end up with QBs that can't throw. Passing first, rushing a nice bonus if you can get it

From my SU Football preview:

EIU season 1: https://eiu_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/football/2012/EIUFBStats2012.pdf

They ran the ball 457 times and passed it 554 times. (45.2%-54.8%). Jake Walker, 5-11, 194, carried the ball 232 times. Taylor Duncan, 6-3 224, carried 117 times. The QB, Jimmy Garoppolo, ran the ball 54 times for 223 yards and was sacked 29 times for the same amount so he had zero yards rushing. Eric Lora, 5-11 190, was easily the leading receiver with 136 catches at 12.2 yards per catch. But the leader for average was Chris Wright, 6-1 177, who caught 53 balls for 16.8 yards per catch. Chavar Watkins, 6-2 201, caught 49 for 11.0. Sam Hendricks, a 6-4 208 tight end, caught 37 for 8.3. Nobody else had 20+ Garoppolo had 331 completions for 3,823 yards, (11.5 yards per catch). He had 31TD passes and 15 interceptions.

EIU season 2: https://eiu_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/football/2013/2013_EIUFootball_Stats.pdf

They ran the ball 563 times and passed it 557 times. (50.3%-49.7%). Shepard Little, 5-10, 197, carried the ball 217 times, as did Taylor Duncan. Both gained over 1,000 yards. Garoppolo, ran the ball 53 times for 209 yards and was sacked 17 times. Eric Lora was again the leading receiver with 123 catches at 12.6 yards per catch. The leader for average was Keiondre Gober, 6-3 200, who caught 48 balls for 18.6 yards per catch. Adam Drake, 6-2 195, caught 85 for 15.4. Jeff LePak, 6-6 222, (but listed as a wide receiver), caught 51 for 14.2 Duncan caught 31 and Little 21. Nobody else had 20+. Garoppolo completed 375 passes for 5,050 yards, (and average of 13.5 yards per catch). He had 53TD passes and 9 interceptions.

Comment: At peak efficiency, this is a 50-50 offense as far as running vs. passing. There was a #1 receiving option both years but he seems to have been closer to a “possession” receiver. They used more receivers in the second year and tended to throw deeper. Yet Jimmy completed a higher percentage of his passes, (66% to 61%). The running game was an even split between two different size runners. Little averaged 7.1 and scored 15 times, Duncan 4.6 with 10 scores. I like to think they played in tandem, a Little/Csonka combination in my beloved two running back formation. But this being modern football, they probably alternated and got such big numbers because the team accumulated 367 first downs so they could run so many plays and because the passing game opened things up for them.

BGU season 1: https://static.bgsufalcons.com/custompages/stats/football/2014/teamcume.htm

They ran the ball 556 times and passed it 547 times. (50.4%-49.6%). Travis Greene, 5-11, 189, carried the ball 180 times. Fred Coppet, 5-9 213, carried 141 times and Andre Givens, 5-9 185, carried 101 times. They gained 2,265 yards between them. The QB, Matt Johnson was injured early in the season and replaced by James Knapke. Together, they ran the ball 44 times, (and were sacked 28 times). The receiving was more balanced than at EIU: Roger Lewis (6-2 199), had 73 catches for an average of 15.0. Ryan Burbrink (5-8 173) had 64 for 11.8., Ronnie Moore, (5-9 170), had 56 for 12.3. Gehrig Dieter (6-3 207) had 35 for 13.1. Heath Jackson (6-0 185) had 34 for 7.9. Greene had 27 catches. Nobody else had 20+. Johnson and Knapke completed 305 passes for 3,486 yards, (an average of 11.4 yards per catch). They had 16TD passes and 12 interceptions.

BGU season 2: Bowling Green - Cumulative Season Statistics

They ran the ball 542 times and passed it 594 times. (47.7%-52.3%). Greene carried the ball 223 times and Coppet 145 times. They gained 2,169 yards between them. The QB, Matt Johnson was healthy and now backed up by Knapke. Together, they ran the ball 79 times, (and were sacked 36 times). Dieter had 94 catches for 11.0 yards. Lewis had 85 for 18.2. Moore had 72 for 13.2. Burbrink had 56 for 11.2. Greene again had 27 catches. Johnson and Knapke completed 397 passes for 5,119 yards, (an average of 12.9 yards per catch). They had 47TD passes and 8 interceptions.

Comment: With a healthy Johnson, the balance tipped slightly in favor of passing but Greene actually gained more yards rushing (949 vs. 1298), although they did play two more games. I’d prefer to see the balance we see in the BG stats over having the lead guy getting 100+ catches. The passing attack should make the other team cover all the receivers and the whole field. But Babers has expressed a preference for a “bell cow” type of receiver: a #1 option we look for all the time. You don’t see that here. There’s also little evidence of using a tight end here: maybe they didn’t have a Ravian Pierce. For the most part the size of the wideouts were above average so those guys could make the sort of catches you expect from a tight end.

 

[Trueblue25]

No doubt theyre good but some on here speak of them as if theyre jim brown. Do you disagree that the md starter is not as good or better?

Moe’s easily a returning 1,000 yard ACC rusher, had we not featured three backs last year.

Adams was a 4 star rb who performed well but left OU.

Howard ran over 5 star defenders at FSU like they were 5 year olds in front of a moving ice cream truck.

The issue is not our talent at RB, it’s our young OL and failure to adjust.

 

[Millhouse]

From my SU Football preview:

EIU season 1: https://eiu_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/football/2012/EIUFBStats2012.pdf

They ran the ball 457 times and passed it 554 times. (45.2%-54.8%). Jake Walker, 5-11, 194, carried the ball 232 times. Taylor Duncan, 6-3 224, carried 117 times. The QB, Jimmy Garoppolo, ran the ball 54 times for 223 yards and was sacked 29 times for the same amount so he had zero yards rushing. Eric Lora, 5-11 190, was easily the leading receiver with 136 catches at 12.2 yards per catch. But the leader for average was Chris Wright, 6-1 177, who caught 53 balls for 16.8 yards per catch. Chavar Watkins, 6-2 201, caught 49 for 11.0. Sam Hendricks, a 6-4 208 tight end, caught 37 for 8.3. Nobody else had 20+ Garoppolo had 331 completions for 3,823 yards, (11.5 yards per catch). He had 31TD passes and 15 interceptions.

EIU season 2: https://eiu_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/football/2013/2013_EIUFootball_Stats.pdf

They ran the ball 563 times and passed it 557 times. (50.3%-49.7%). Shepard Little, 5-10, 197, carried the ball 217 times, as did Taylor Duncan. Both gained over 1,000 yards. Garoppolo, ran the ball 53 times for 209 yards and was sacked 17 times. Eric Lora was again the leading receiver with 123 catches at 12.6 yards per catch. The leader for average was Keiondre Gober, 6-3 200, who caught 48 balls for 18.6 yards per catch. Adam Drake, 6-2 195, caught 85 for 15.4. Jeff LePak, 6-6 222, (but listed as a wide receiver), caught 51 for 14.2 Duncan caught 31 and Little 21. Nobody else had 20+. Garoppolo completed 375 passes for 5,050 yards, (and average of 13.5 yards per catch). He had 53TD passes and 9 interceptions.

Comment: At peak efficiency, this is a 50-50 offense as far as running vs. passing. There was a #1 receiving option both years but he seems to have been closer to a “possession” receiver. They used more receivers in the second year and tended to throw deeper. Yet Jimmy completed a higher percentage of his passes, (66% to 61%). The running game was an even split between two different size runners. Little averaged 7.1 and scored 15 times, Duncan 4.6 with 10 scores. I like to think they played in tandem, a Little/Csonka combination in my beloved two running back formation. But this being modern football, they probably alternated and got such big numbers because the team accumulated 367 first downs so they could run so many plays and because the passing game opened things up for them.

BGU season 1: Bowling Green - Cumulative Season Statistics

They ran the ball 556 times and passed it 547 times. (50.4%-49.6%). Travis Greene, 5-11, 189, carried the ball 180 times. Fred Coppet, 5-9 213, carried 141 times and Andre Givens, 5-9 185, carried 101 times. They gained 2,265 yards between them. The QB, Matt Johnson was injured early in the season and replaced by James Knapke. Together, they ran the ball 44 times, (and were sacked 28 times). The receiving was more balanced than at EIU: Roger Lewis (6-2 199), had 73 catches for an average of 15.0. Ryan Burbrink (5-8 173) had 64 for 11.8., Ronnie Moore, (5-9 170), had 56 for 12.3. Gehrig Dieter (6-3 207) had 35 for 13.1. Heath Jackson (6-0 185) had 34 for 7.9. Greene had 27 catches. Nobody else had 20+. Johnson and Knapke completed 305 passes for 3,486 yards, (an average of 11.4 yards per catch). They had 16TD passes and 12 interceptions.

BGU season 2: Bowling Green - Cumulative Season Statistics

They ran the ball 542 times and passed it 594 times. (47.7%-52.3%). Greene carried the ball 223 times and Coppet 145 times. They gained 2,169 yards between them. The QB, Matt Johnson was healthy and now backed up by Knapke. Together, they ran the ball 79 times, (and were sacked 36 times). Dieter had 94 catches for 11.0 yards. Lewis had 85 for 18.2. Moore had 72 for 13.2. Burbrink had 56 for 11.2. Greene again had 27 catches. Johnson and Knapke completed 397 passes for 5,119 yards, (an average of 12.9 yards per catch). They had 47TD passes and 8 interceptions.

Comment: With a healthy Johnson, the balance tipped slightly in favor of passing but Greene actually gained more yards rushing (949 vs. 1298), although they did play two more games. I’d prefer to see the balance we see in the BG stats over having the lead guy getting 100+ catches. The passing attack should make the other team cover all the receivers and the whole field. But Babers has expressed a preference for a “bell cow” type of receiver: a #1 option we look for all the time. You don’t see that here. There’s also little evidence of using a tight end here: maybe they didn’t have a Ravian Pierce. For the most part the size of the wideouts were above average so those guys could make the sort of catches you expect from a tight end.

please don't take this as a criticism because i'm sure those splits are darn near impossible to get for e illinois but those teams were good and might've ran alot with big leads.

i'd like to see us throw like crazy, get way ahead, then shut it down and appear balanced at the end

bowling green was 57% pass in first half, 47% pass in the second half

 

[TheCusian]

It's the OL. It won't look better this week, IMO.

BUT - the two games after Clemson, provide a real opportunity to get things righted even vs lesser opponents.

 

[rmtsu]

No doubt theyre good but some on here speak of them as if theyre jim brown. Do you disagree that the md starter is not as good or better?

If you put him in our back field running the same plays no I don't think he is better. It is not apples to apples, no one here is saying our backs are Jim Brown, but the offensive plays they are running play after play are hindering our production. If we mixed up our running plays and allowed the backs to utilize their ability it may even make the OL look better. I've yet to see a team just line up and run almost every running play straight between the tackles, that includes some of the top rated teams. All we would like to see is us be less predictable with our running game.

We criticized Strickland for running into the back of the OL play after play, well the other backs are doing it also, apparently that is what Dino wants because it happens running play after running play. I don't see any other team doing that.

 

[SoBristol]

71%, 330 yards and we're calling it shaky

Well it is not winning football unless it puts points on the board. Stats in 40 pt losses are for losers. What was shaky — roll outs and no yards gained, fumble and interception when the game was still competitive. Now, it is only his second start so of course he will get better.

 

[upperdeck]

Our RBs are not as good as so many here think.. Count the number of plays the last 2 yrs where they made something out of nothing or turned a nice gain into a big gain.. you saw that 4-5-6 times in the Maryland game by their RBs.

Our guys are hot the one hole types and nice gain types when the hole is big.. the Maryland kid hit the hole that was plugged then bumped it outside then outran our DBS the corner and those are our best Athletes..

you cant just a RB by how much he gains, its how much he should gain then how much more.. Ours rarely get that extra more and those add up..

still its the oline that needs to be better.. dont let the outcome of the game shadow that the offense played a ton better against a much bigger more athletic D. we didnt finish drives and thats the next step, we had plenty of chances to score 40 and didnt do it..

We got the min from the effort and plays and Maryland got the Max from theirs. thats why we lost 60-20 and not 45-35..

 

[Millhouse]

Well it is not winning football unless it puts points on the board. Stats in 40 pt losses are for losers. What was shaky — roll outs and no yards gained, fumble and interception when the game was still competitive. Now, it is only his second start so of course he will get better.

ah stats are for losers, delicious

they can't run the ball well (stats how that but those are for losers) and they wisely went for it on 4th down when they knew FGs wouldn't cut it (of course those are stats too so lets ignore those

 

[HRE Otto IV]

There is something off. Look at Baylor’s YPP under Briles. Look at Bowling Green’s YPP under Babers. So why the heck haven’t we seen this any of the 4 years at SU? If it is a talent issue, Babers needs to bring in new recruiting blood.