So…Jesse Edwards…and others like him…

[MadNY3]

Great thought. You want a scholarship sign here. Kid was as raw as an oyster. SU built him into a player, and he bolts. Not good. I love this concept and I believe it could be enforceable.

He ”bolts” after five years and a coaching change.

 

[Oakland]

Never. Nor should there be.

There have been plenty of times being able to tell a player to take a hike has helped us and other schools. Works both ways.

There will always be an option that allows for flexibility bc there isn’t a single governing body that matters.

Who gives a crap if WVU or whomever overpaid for Jesse. A top tier program should have a solution after him anyway.

The NCAA had decades to avoid this and now we’re here.

College basketball as we lived with it is gone. It’s not coming back. It’s over.

Stop blaming the NCAA.

 

[miamicuse]

"I will serve, I will be of service".

Once a kid says that and commit no entering a portal without being declared ex-communicado and losing a finger.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Lately, administrations pass all kids of laws they don’t have authority to pass.

Admins don't pass laws, Congress does. Admins sign the laws after passed. admins can write EOs that are not laws and more likely subject to scrutiny from the courts.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Yeah. Non-competes are unlikely the wsy to go…but schools are gonna find a way to limit movement of players in the same way they try to limit movement of coaches.

Contracts that require paybacks…moral clauses….etc. players who say “I’m an employee”, may be shocked to find out there’s some catches to that psyment.

The players will be out of college and long gone before any court cases are heard.

Can you imagine a program like Bryant holding a kids feet to the fire with a non compete when they want to transfer? Or if we made someone like JBA sign one and then from day 1 it was clear we want them to transfer more than they do? We aren't getting a major commit by strong arming them it would be a Patterson/Carey type signing if they consented.

Just a bad idea.

During covid Jesse almost left the program and noone really cared. JB played him less as a Sophomore than as Freshman until he broke out in the dance.

 

[DilemaCuse]

The players will be out of college and long gone before any court cases are heard.

Can you imagine a program like Bryant holding a kids feet to the fire with a non compete when they want to transfer? Or if we made someone like JBA sign one and then from day 1 it was clear we want them to transfer more than they do? We aren't getting a major commit by strong arming them it would be a Patterson/Carey type signing if they consented.

Just a bad idea.

During covid Jesse almost left the program and noone really cared. JB played him less as a Sophomore than as Freshman until he broke out in the dance.

Could be wrong but this might be tied more to Name image likeness deals than national letter of intent. Not sure, trying to wrap my legal mind around

 

[CuseCPT]

For the great majority of NCAA athletes that compete at the D1 level, but have no prospect for a professional sports career.

And the great majority of them were not bringing their coaches, schools, and TV networks millions of dollars every year, but some of them were. Any system that treated Jesse Edwards the same as a dude on the wrestling team is a farce. Amateurism is dumb if it's only amateur for the players but every other aspect and participant is treated as a professional.

 

[pfister1]

And the great majority of them were not bringing their coaches, schools, and TV networks millions of dollars every year, but some of them were. Any system that treated Jesse Edwards the same as a dude on the wrestling team is a farce. Amateurism is dumb if it's only amateur for the players but every other aspect and participant is treated as a professional.

The kids that want to get paid immediately and don't care to get the education should go pro.

The Division I kids that are competing with us for the same ultimate Championship and that are at other Division I schools such as Campbell, Central Florida, Lipscomb, Murray State, UNC-Wilmington, Radford, William & Mary, Weber St.....and on and on...already have trouble competing with the big DI programs, yet each of those schools has been able to produce one or more players that is/are playing in the NBA. When you add the element of having to find cash to pay these kids while in school, as well as provide the scholarship and non-monetary benefits, that just widens the gulf that already exists.

 

[Fat tire 13]

The better way to do this is to delay payments until the future. Very common with stock options for executives at public companies that vest over time

For example, you could negotiate NIL where a player gets $200k upfront, and $200K more if they return for another season. They would forfeit the $200k if they transfer, and get something in between if they go pro... this is thinking out loud, and could refine to something better

When schools think about ROI for someone they consider to be a 2-4 year player, they would probably pony up more money to get the full life cycle. Not to mention identifying undervalued talent, developing players, etc.

Otherwise players will still transfer and deal with the consequences later. As many posters said, these agreements are very difficult to enforce

 

[NYCCuse826]

Never. Nor should there be.

There have been plenty of times being able to tell a player to take a hike has helped us and other schools. Works both ways.

There will always be an option that allows for flexibility bc there isn’t a single governing body that matters.

Who gives a crap if WVU or whomever overpaid for Jesse. A top tier program should have a solution after him anyway.

The NCAA had decades to avoid this and now we’re here.

College basketball as we lived with it is gone. It’s not coming back. It’s over.

This isn't just a Jesse thing. The Florida collective that had a QB commit for 2024 had a clause in the deal that they could claw back earnings. They're going to find ways to protect themselves in the event players bail or don't perform.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

"I will serve, I will be of service".

Once a kid says that and commit no entering a portal without being declared ex-communicado and losing a finger.

Coaches, too?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

The biggest issue is free transfers, not NIL.

 

[Cuseball]

The players will be out of college and long gone before any court cases are heard.

Can you imagine a program like Bryant holding a kids feet to the fire with a non compete when they want to transfer? Or if we made someone like JBA sign one and then from day 1 it was clear we want them to transfer more than they do? We aren't getting a major commit by strong arming them it would be a Patterson/Carey type signing if they consented.

Just a bad idea.

During covid Jesse almost left the program and noone really cared. JB played him less as a Sophomore than as Freshman until he broke out in the dance.

I think you are misremembering our NCAA tournament run Jesse’s Soph year. He had very little to do with it and certainly didn’t break out. He might have had 7pts in 3 games

Cuse

 

[Jasoncuse]

Wouldn’t this punish kids who had limited initial options (and in turn limited NIL opportunities early in their careers) and once they develop, their earning power is reduced? If they are forced to stay at a program, wouldn’t NIL funds be funneled to other players to transfer in or as frosh instead, again limiting the earning power of a kid who already was here? If a kid has to stay, shouldn’t he also hold the school hostage if they “give him the talk”?

Kids who are big recruits or higher level transfers won’t need to be signing “non-competes” or contracts with clauses because there will be schools willing to avoid them.

 

[Consigliere]

The biggest issue is free transfers, not NIL.

Especially when combined with a reluctance to penalize blatant tampering.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

The better way to do this is to delay payments until the future. Very common with stock options for executives at public companies that vest over time

For example, you could negotiate NIL where a player gets $200k upfront, and $200K more if they return for another season. They would forfeit the $200k if they transfer, and get something in between if they go pro... this is thinking out loud, and could refine to something better

When schools think about ROI for someone they consider to be a 2-4 year player, they would probably pony up more money to get the full life cycle. Not to mention identifying undervalued talent, developing players, etc.

Otherwise players will still transfer and deal with the consequences later. As many posters said, these agreements are very difficult to enforce

Can’t be tied to playing for a team

 

[rrlbees]

nil isn’t a problem. NIL is.

 

[Cusefan69]

Hey the college athletes pushed to change the setup. It's basically a professional construct now. No one should be surprised when the colleges look for creative ways to minimize impact. It's not a matter of if, just when.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Lots of interesting ideas, but eventually they boil down to pay to play, which as currently constructed... doesn't work.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Yeah. Non-competes are unlikely the wsy to go…but schools are gonna find a way to limit movement of players in the same way they try to limit movement of coaches.

Contracts that require paybacks…moral clauses….etc. players who say “I’m an employee”, may be shocked to find out there’s some catches to that psyment.

I could see the NCAA decreeing that there is no free transfer if you have accepted NIL. That might work.

 

[pfister1]

Hey, here’s an idea……. how about having the NBA fund a true minor league. Than the kids that don’t care to get an education but have no other path to follow to pursue their dream would have a path and you could enforce the real amateur rules in College Hoops again.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Hey, here’s an idea……. how about having the NBA fund a true minor league. Than the kids that don’t care to get an education but have no other path to follow to pursue their dream would have a path and you could enforce the real amateur rules in College Hoops again.

They have one. College players are getting paid more. Edwards will make more next season than he likely ever will professionally.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Hey, here’s an idea……. how about having the NBA fund a true minor league. Than the kids that don’t care to get an education but have no other path to follow to pursue their dream would have a path and you could enforce the real amateur rules in College Hoops again.

SCOTUS has already ruled. Can’t deprive a person of their inherent right to monetize their name, image and likeness.
Not sure why being a college athlete should cause you to lose your rights.
Every time a kid appears in a commercial for a game, the school, conference and NCAA are using his NIL to make money.
And to those who say it’s all about the name in the front of the Jersey and not the back, why doesn’t the 3rd string quarterback get featured? Maybe next year SU will feature Copeland instead of JJ or Judah.

 

[Newhouser]

Hey, here’s an idea……. how about having the NBA fund a true minor league. Than the kids that don’t care to get an education but have no other path to follow to pursue their dream would have a path and you could enforce the real amateur rules in College Hoops again.

It's not the NBAs job to save college athletics.

 

[rrlbees]

SCOTUS has already ruled. Can’t deprive a person of their inherent right to monetize their name, image and likeness.
Not sure why being a college athlete should cause you to lose your rights.
Every time a kid appears in a commercial for a game, the school, conference and NCAA are using his NIL to make money.
And to those who say it’s all about the name in the front of the Jersey and not the back, why doesn’t the 3rd string quarterback get featured? Maybe next year SU will feature Copeland instead of JJ or Judah.

SCOTUS didn’t rule on NIL. They ruled on the restriction of education related compensation.