So, what does this mean for Boeheim? The program?

[SaltLakeOrange]

The Chancellor needs to do what's right for the University and fire Bernie Fine immediately, if only to limit the appearance of a scandal. To do otherwise will make this a million times worse. Bernie Fine has embarrassed the University and no longer deserves to be affiliated with it.

 

[RF2044]

I think I am stealing your own words, but I think Cantor is going to scorch the earth around this program if this is true.

Deservedly so--again, if true.

 

[rrlbees]

Unless it can be proven that he knew...and even Davis says he didn't...he likely survives.

That said, his legacy is tarnished by association and so is the program.

JB may be depressed enough to leave on his own.

One further thought...how does this impact Hop? Is he considered tarnished by association as well? I the house is cleaned, does Hop go with it?

Wonder if Red Autry is second-guessing his decision to come to SU?

I think JB will hang them up after this season for a number of reasons and that Hop will be OK and will be the HC next season.

 

[Cuseman78]

I think JB will hang them up after this season for a number of reasons and that Hop will be OK and will be the HC next season.

I concur -- I think Boeheim is done after this year and will probably keep a really, really low profile going forward.

 

[RF2044]

I think JB will hang them up after this season for a number of reasons and that Hop will be OK and will be the HC next season.

What a terrible way to for an icon to end a long, illustrious career.

 

[SaintTristan]

This does not impact JB at all. He was misled by a friend. Thats all. He has nothing to be ashamed of. he did nothing wrong.

 

[Cuseman78]

This does not impact JB at all. He was misled by a friend. Thats all. He has nothing to be ashamed of. he did nothing wrong.

He definitely did nothing wrong but does our Ms. PC chancellor roast him for his "thousand lies" comment? The issue isn't whether we believe he should be canned (I do not) but whether we have an administration in place that believes he should be canned.

 

[dash-30-dash]

can she fire him without the board of trustees approval? Would she dare?

 

[OrangeHeel]

This does not impact JB at all. He was misled by a friend. Thats all. He has nothing to be ashamed of. he did nothing wrong.

This ^^^^. But it will be equally important how JB handles this going forward. I believe he will knock it out of the park & that his Foundation will quietly start to support abused person issues (assuming it doesn't already do do).


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[OrangeHeel]

He definitely did nothing wrong but does our Ms. PC chancellor roast him for his "thousand lies" comment? The issue isn't whether we believe he should be canned (I do not) but whether we have an administration in place that believes he should be canned.

Legitimate concern, but IMHO Cantor won't wash away many years of faithful service and the good he does for the community over one sentence. Especially when those words were uttered in the context if sticking up for a friend. If the friend misled JB, then shame on the friend. I hope that I'm always as good a friend as JB.


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[asj410]

What a terrible way to for an icon to end a long, illustrious career.

I agree. Especially if JB had zero knowledge of any of this, by retiring after this year, it just associates him even more with Berniegate.

 

[Orange&Blue44]

As a life-long SU fan, going back to the " Roy's Runts" days, I'm crushed by this. I can't even imagine how betrayed JB feels. Thankfully, he has Juli to help him work through his feelings and gain perspective.

 

[PoppyHart]

I think JB has to go. The only think that makes me say it does not have to be immediately is that there's no indictment at this point, and we don't know 100% of the facts. I'd expect that situation to be nearly resolved by the beginning of next season.

JB is the face of Syracuse University. Calling the accused liars was one of the worst PR moves one could make, and reflects directly on the University, not just JB. This is equivalent, from a personal/institutional damage sense, to a political candidate making insensitive remarks like the VA governor referencing blacks as "apes", or Gilbert Gottfried joking about the Japan tsunami. When you are in a position of power, or representing an entity, you can't go off the cuff like that. If they keep him, SU will for a long time be known, rightly or wrongly, as the school that cared more about its program than the fate of kids.

This decision should come even before the issue of what he should have known, when he should have known, etc...

 

[Dick_in_MI]

This does not impact JB at all. He was misled by a friend. Thats all. He has nothing to be ashamed of. he did nothing wrong.

We truthfully don't know anything at all. We are fans. We have zero real information.

I think he was likely misled by a friend. But what do I know? Nothing.

Nothing to be ashamed of? Hmmmmm...maybe. I think there are ways to support your friend without shooting from the hip like he did. That works if your buddy is truly innocent. If not, then you look like a bit of an ass.

Like it or not, JB involved or not, it does impact both he and the program. Sad to say, but true.

 

[Ghost]

It means that empty seat next to JB won't be empty next game. No saving chairs for child rapists - it's a rule.

 

[kingottoiii]

He definitely did nothing wrong but does our Ms. PC chancellor roast him for his "thousand lies" comment? The issue isn't whether we believe he should be canned (I do not) but whether we have an administration in place that believes he should be canned.

But this is why I said last week SU should have suspended JB for his comments during the MSG trip. It would have shielded the decision that they now face. He could have served the 2 game suspension and no groups would go after JB if Fine had evidence coem out against him. Before you are condemning JB's words towards accusers, who have no proof. Now it looks a lot worse and may cost him his job. SU handled this poorly.

 

[MyMeloMyMan]

We just have to hope these crazy Fine's don't bring JB down with them.. "Oh, he knew what was going on. He saw ______________".

If comments like that start to surface...with examples... its goodnight moon. This Laurie Fine is a friggin tornado.

 

[SoBristol]

One thing I will say -- Jim & Julie Boeheim have built a deep reserve of good will, through all their efforts, over many years, coaches against cancer and many, many other civic causes. If this comes down to something like he should have suspected, or should have been more cautious in sticking up for his colleague, JB will survive this.

 

[Stern]

I think JB will hang them up after this season for a number of reasons and that Hop will be OK and will be the HC next season.

Just saw on TWITTER from a reporter out of Miami that John Beline is being rumored for the Cuse job if JB is let go or "retires".

Strong ties to the area and like with Penn St. Syracuse might not want to promote from within after this

 

[kuethstheman]

This does not impact JB at all. He was misled by a friend. Thats all. He has nothing to be ashamed of. he did nothing wrong.

It comes down to political correctness. This is JB's problem if and only if the advocacy groups make a lot of noise or if Nancy's very sympathetic to them. People get fired all the time for lesser stuff if it involves a sensitive topic (e.g. race or gender politics). This has very little to do with how insensitive or irrelevant JB's comments were.

 

[mountaincuse]

It means that empty seat next to JB won't be empty next game. No saving chairs for child rapists - it's a rule.

State law

 

[DoctorBombay]

Unfortunately, JB is toast.

PSU set the precedent, & he's next in line to be Paterno'd.
I think Cantor MIGHT consider a suspension, but I don't think that'll wash with the PC police.
He's likely done, & I'm ambivalent about whether I necessarily disagree.

 

[PoppyHart]

Just saw on TWITTER from a reporter out of Miami that John Beline is being rumored for the Cuse job if JB is let go or "retires".

Strong ties to the area and like with Penn St. Syracuse might not want to promote from within after this

I think the replacement should come from outside the "family". While Hop has not been implicated in any manner, he still has that 22+ year association with BF to deal with. Beilein would be interesting, but I'd wonder if someone who was pretty friendly with JAB would touch the job as it might go against some coach's "code".

 

[PeteCalvin]

Unless it can be proven that he knew...and even Davis says he didn't...he likely survives.

That said, his legacy is tarnished by association and so is the program.

JB may be depressed enough to leave on his own.

One further thought...how does this impact Hop? Is he considered tarnished by association as well? I the house is cleaned, does Hop go with it?

Wonder if Red Autry is second-guessing his decision to come to SU?

Why would this affect Hop and Red? Hop was a player during the latter half of the time period that Davis is talking about. Red was a player after the fact. It's not their program. Unless anyone else saw something and did nothing, which Davis has already said no one saw anything, then I think they are outsiders to this whole thing.

I know I have been a staunch JB advocate in this whole ordeal, and this tape does nothing to change my feelings on that. But JB needs to come out now, equally as strong as before, but acknowledging the new information and change his stance. Bernie needs to go. NOW. Cantor and JB have to act.

Again, this is not PSU 2, and it needs to be diffused before it mushrooms unnecessarily.

 

[Stern]

I think the replacement should come from outside the "family". While Hop has not been implicated in any manner, he still has that 22+ year association with BF to deal with. Beilein would be interesting, but I'd wonder if someone who was pretty friendly with JAB would touch the job as it might go against some coach's "code".

What Al Golden is to college football John Belin is that to college hoops. I don't see it as a coaches code thing either here and would probably be the perfect hire for a program coming off a scandal.