So what is it in Marrone's offense that Nassib can't do?

[OttoinGrotto]

This post isn't meant to defend Nassib from criticism or excuse his shortcomings, I'm just curious what exactly it is that Marrone envisions his QB should do that Nassib can't, if that is what holds the offense back from being what it should.

People say he's not a dual threat QB - ok. He's not a great runner, but he has shown flashes of being able to gain yards on the ground. A lot of people have posted that Nassib is actually instructed to not do that.

CIL had a good post about how the original plan for the offense was to look like Northwestern's. Here are some snippets from something he posted a little while back. "As a premium tidbit, part of the "binder" included a hurry up/no huddle offense that had the ability to be more of a "balanced" spread if that makes some sense to you all. I would think that Northwestern's offense would come to mind. One that can speed up tempo, has a bit of the read option involved, but can also line up under center as well. That was the blueprint from what I was told... However, I have no idea what happened to that offense. I really don't. I know we worked on it last spring and this spring, only to see none of it during the season. Dave Rhame I think would back me up on this if he could publically do so, although I'm not sure if he can, and I understand that."

I'm just stumped. Is it the read option that Nassib can't do? If so, why does that mean we still can't approximate the offensive vision more by speeding up tempo? If it makes the offense better, why can't we do some no huddle? Why can't we see a "balanced" spread? How exactly does Nassib's shortcomings, whatever they may be, make it so that we can play to the pace of our offensive vision, or using spread formations. I just don't understand.

I guess the real issue I have is that I don't think we're running everything from the vision of the offense that we could, and I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that Nassib is that far from what they want that they would practice something that they wouldn't put in play.

 

[Millhouse]

This post isn't meant to defend Nassib from criticism or excuse his shortcomings, I'm just curious what exactly it is that Marrone envisions his QB should do that Nassib can't, if that is what holds the offense back from being what it should.

People say he's not a dual threat QB - ok. He's not a great runner, but he has shown flashes of being able to gain yards on the ground. A lot of people have posted that Nassib is actually instructed to not do that.

CIL had a good post about how the original plan for the offense was to look like Northwestern's. Here are some snippets from something he posted a little while back. "As a premium tidbit, part of the "binder" included a hurry up/no huddle offense that had the ability to be more of a "balanced" spread if that makes some sense to you all. I would think that Northwestern's offense would come to mind. One that can speed up tempo, has a bit of the read option involved, but can also line up under center as well. That was the blueprint from what I was told... However, I have no idea what happened to that offense. I really don't. I know we worked on it last spring and this spring, only to see none of it during the season. Dave Rhame I think would back me up on this if he could publically do so, although I'm not sure if he can, and I understand that."

I'm just stumped. Is it the read option that Nassib can't do? If so, why does that mean we still can't approximate the offensive vision more by speeding up tempo? If it makes the offense better, why can't we do some no huddle? Why can't we see a "balanced" spread? How exactly does Nassib's shortcomings, whatever they may be, make it so that we can play to the pace of our offensive vision, or using spread formations. I just don't understand.

I guess the real issue I have is that I don't think we're running everything from the vision of the offense that we could, and I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that Nassib is that far from what they want that they would practice something that they wouldn't put in play.

complete passes downfield and run

i think he can run better than marrone does. but there is no "vertical" passing game now

 

[orangenauburn]

If nassib was hitting the deep ball things would be much better. More yards, points and easier to run the ball. Perception of offense would be totally different

 

[ImperialOrange]

Be consistant. That's it at this point.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

complete passes downfield and run

i think he can run better than marrone does. but there is no "vertical" passing game now

So he can't complete the deep ball. That's true.

Why does that mean we can't run no huddle? Why does that mean we can't run more spread formations/4 wide instead of all the bunch formations we get?

 

[SmilinBob]

It's amazing on how much impact one nice 40+ yard pass play a game does to the offensive numbers. It obviously helps right away by adding 40+ or more but it also spreads the d out a little so they can work the other stuff in.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Loeb and Kinder aren't ready to take over the offense, so if Nassib gets injured on a running play ... we're ***ed.

 

[OttoMets]

Regarding the deep ball: if memory serves, 90% of Nassib's deep misses are on passes to Chew. It's no secret that Chew has difficulty getting off the line; could the problem just be that Nassib is putting the ball where Chew ought to be, but Chew's delay in getting off the line leaves him two strides short?

 

[orangenauburn]

Regarding the deep ball: if memory serves, 90% of Nassib's deep misses are on passes to Chew. It's no secret that Chew has difficulty getting off the line; could the problem just be that Nassib is putting the ball where Chew ought to be, but Chew's delay in getting off the line leaves him two strides short?

plausible --- but he has also overthrown DG by a good 5-6 yards as well

 

[SmilinBob]

Regarding the deep ball: if memory serves, 90% of Nassib's deep misses are on passes to Chew. It's no secret that Chew has difficulty getting off the line; could the problem just be that Nassib is putting the ball where Chew ought to be, but Chew's delay in getting off the line leaves him two strides short?

It may be just me but he seems to not nearly put enough air on the ball to let the wr get under it. He has improved the throwing it 10 yards out of bounds thing he was doing.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Loeb and Kinder aren't ready to take over the offense, so if Nassib gets injured on a running play ... we're ***ed.

So we continue to not let leave the pocket in the hopes he doesn't get injured.

Why does that mean the no huddle disappeared? Why does that mean the "balanced" spread is gone?

People keeping pointing out Nassib's shortcomings but how on earth are they connected to not running no huddle and not spreading out our formations better?

 

[ImperialOrange]

Regarding the deep ball: if memory serves, 90% of Nassib's deep misses are on passes to Chew. It's no secret that Chew has difficulty getting off the line; could the problem just be that Nassib is putting the ball where Chew ought to be, but Chew's delay in getting off the line leaves him two strides short?

Possibly some of it. I'm of the mind set that Nassib can get it done, and will lead us to big things next year and hopefully turn it around this year.

I think it's a confidence issue honestly. If he hits a few he gets over that. Confidence in himself, confidence in his WRs, a mix of both, could be anything. He appears to be trying to make a perfect throw everytime and on the deep passes he just needs to put it in an area where his guy can make a play.

Think baseball, trying to throw every pitch perfect usually causes the exact opposite. Coach goes out to the mound and tells you "stop thinking so much and just throw the ball".

Thats the best I can come up with. If he makes a bad deep throw and his WR makes a play over the defender for it, I think he'll loosen up.

 

[Millhouse]

So we continue to not let leave the pocket in the hopes he doesn't get injured.

Why does that mean the no huddle disappeared? Why does that mean the "balanced" spread is gone?

People keeping pointing out Nassib's shortcomings but how on earth are they connected to not running no huddle and not spreading out our formations better?

maybe they think he's not good at getting through progressions.
maybe they think that speeding up a bad offense just means their defense will be on the field even more.
his inability to throw deep is obvious to everyone. other stuff isn't as obvious to us because we don't see him go 4 wide in a no huddle much. but it might be obvious to them.

their 15 play 15 yard drive to finish the last game doesn't exactly make me feel like they're the 1991 bills who should run a 2 minute offense all day long

 

[SmilinBob]

I agree IO, it seems like he's so worried about making a mistake he just doesn't have the confidence to just air it out and let his wr's make a play.

 

[Aweart23]

People keeping pointing out Nassib's shortcomings but how on earth are they connected to not running no huddle and not spreading out our formations better?

Not sure they are related to Ryan's shortcomings. Maybe they are related to the OL or the WR's shortcomings...Just speculating as I have no idea..

I'm with you on this one, I'd love to see a little more no huddle or spread out sets...

 

[orangenirvana]

1. Complete pass to open receiver
2. Repeat step #1

 

[ImperialOrange]

I agree IO, it seems like he's so worried about making a mistake he just doesn't have the confidence to just air it out and let his wr's make a play.

He's a smart kid and likely a bit of a perfectionist. There are worse traits to have but every once in awhile you just gotta let go and see what happens. I think we'll see the breaktrough, just not sure when. Hopefully tonight!

 

[SoBristol]

The idea that Marrone wants to run a fast-paced spread or some other aerial circus just doesn't wash with me. He built his offense by bringing in guys like Tiller, Hay, Cruz, Weaver, Harris, Kose. He wants to establish the run and get into good situations on 2nd and 3rd down. He likes FBs and TEs and drives of 10 plays and more.
I just doubt the problem is Nassib (unless you are talking about something different -- throwing downfield). Nassib tends to play better when we play faster; he has been good in the 2 minute situation.
It is wishful thinking that Marrone's playbook is radically different than what we have seen for the past 2 seasons.

 

[ImperialOrange]

1. Complete pass to open receiver
2. Repeat step #1

Maybe he's shocked to see an open receiver? He's usually throwing into tight windows. Slant, curl, slant, hmmmm, lets call another slant!

 

[orangepassion]

1. Complete pass to open receiver
2. Repeat step #1

Right-B/c he hasn't completed a ton of passes this year.

 

[SmilinBob]

I like Nassib and I hope he figures it out sooner than later because he does have a lot of positive qualities I want in a qb.

This teams problem is that somebody has a break down and a lot of times SU just does not have enough talent to be able to withstand that. When McNabb was here our line sucked but he could dodge 2 guys and make a play. I think teams know that Nassib won't take off and play it accordingly.

 

[timkay99]

This post isn't meant to defend Nassib from criticism or excuse his shortcomings, I'm just curious what exactly it is that Marrone envisions his QB should do that Nassib can't, if that is what holds the offense back from being what it should.

Overall, I think Nassib is close to the QB that Marrone wants. The only thing Nassib lacks is the speed. And consistency with the accuracy.

The one thing that needs to be considered with all this no-huddle, 4-wide spread talk is the offensive line. Syracuse has shown struggles at times pass blocking in these 4-wide sets. 1st year starter at C responsible for protections and 2 starters on the right side who are better at run blocking then pass blocking by a fairly decent margin.

I think you will see more of this offense next year w/ guys like Trudo, Curtis/Hickey sliding into those spots. I think the team will struggle to run the ball compared to this year with those two in there (which is why it would be nice to see Smith/Moore win the RB job), but will be better able to protect in passing downs.

My 2 cents.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I like Nassib and I hope he figures it out sooner than later because he does have a lot of positive qualities I want in a qb.

This teams problem is that somebody has a break down and a lot of times SU just does not have enough talent to be able to withstand that. When McNabb was here our line sucked but he could dodge 2 guys and make a play. I think teams know that Nassib won't take off and play it accordingly.

Alot easier for a DE or LB to blitz when he doesn't have to worry about containment. Nassib made a nice run in the USC game (sans the fumble at the end of it) but that was by design rather than improv.

 

[SmilinBob]

Alot easier for a DE or LB to blitz when he doesn't have to worry about containment. Nassib made a nice run in the USC game (sans the fumble at the end of it) but that was by design rather than improv.

Yep and I give Ryan credit, he keeps his head up a lot of times but his pocket presence is extremely poor and I'm not sure how much or well this can be taught.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It is wishful thinking that Marrone's playbook is radically different than what we have seen for the past 2 seasons.

I'm terrified that this is the case. I've got to hope for something though.