So who made out better, Jay Bromley or Ishaq Williams?

[City of Cuse]

Remeber Robert Nkemdiche, the consensus top recruit in the nation? He was committed and wanted to attend Clemson, his mother forced him to go to Ole Miss. He has zero sacks, truly a forced to be reckoned with. Congratulations, mom. You forced your son out of attending a far superior institution both academically and athletically, and you've forced him into the poorest and most backward state in the union.

I don't know about that, kid is a beast. Watched him play a couple times now, he might not have any sacks but he is clearly a game changer. Demands attention, and he is only a freshman. I will agree with your education argument, but I guarantee he is in the NFL after a couple years.

 

[OttoForLife]

I'm all for promoting our guy and serving up crow to the one that didn't choose us. However, keep in mind that Bromley for whatever reason wasn't highly recruited. Weren't we his only big time offer at the end of his senior year?

It's not like he had a ton of options. Had he been recruited like I Dubs, he very well might have gone elsewhere.

But the original point remains that finding a situation to play early and often can help players in the long run.

 

[CuseOnly]

Bromley = Drafted
Ishaq = Not so much

 

[retro44]

Don't discount the advantages Ishaq enjoys with the downtown South Bend scene. And should there ever be a power outage that shuts down the entire strip mall, it's only a short 1 hour drive to Gary.

You might want to re-think this.

I can remember working very close to Gary, Indiana that they refused to run a tally on the murders that were going on there. The state had to hire about 100 extra state troopers just to put them on street patrols within the city limits. That was in 1995

 

[sufandu]

Did IW play his first year? Is he a redshirt sophomore or a true junior? If he's a redshirt sophomore, it's too early to say definitively that he won't get drafted. I think it hurts him too that he converted from DE to LB. It would have been nice to see what he would look like in a 4-3 with his hand on the ground every play.

 

[GoSU96]

Did IW play his first year? Is he a redshirt sophomore or a true junior? If he's a redshirt sophomore, it's too early to say definitively that he won't get drafted. I think it hurts him too that he converted from DE to LB. It would have been nice to see what he would look like in a 4-3 with his hand on the ground every play.

Maybe they have changed but it used to be that ND didn't grant non injury redshirts. It was expected that you were out the door in four regardless.

 

[anglerman]

Not really the point. Fact is the kid would have played more and earlier is he had come here.

Here he would have been the centerpiece of the class, there he's just another guy. It would have been a win/win if he had come to SU.

Being hyped out of highschool doesn't mean your'e going to be a great college player. I would think he would play the same here. If he was that good he would be playing more for ND.

 

[Millhouse]

Lightly recruited Broms will end up with 31 or 32 career starts by the time he is done, 1st team all ACC. Team Captain. Highly ranked in the nation in sacks and TFL's. That will get a NFL scouts attention.

5 star recruited by everyone Williams, 2nd string rotational player at LB at ND.

I would hope that the staff is pounding this message everyday with the heavily recruited in state kids.

shouldn't ishaq have been more dominant in high school?

i have a bad memory about this stuff and i don't pay that much attention in the first place but if i remember correctly, it wasn't like he was dominant in high school

Some guys who produce a lot on a lower level don't make it on a higher level

But guys who don't produce a lot on a lower level really don't make it on a higher level.

start with the guys who are really good then weed out the guys who aren't big strong fast whatever enough.

(of course i have no idea how good bromley was in high school either)

 

[CuseOnly]

He played in 11 games as a true freshman making him a true Junior. He may have a shot to start next year after Shembo leaves but my guess is that he has already been recruited over and will be behind a better freshman or sophomore next year. His choice going there meant that he had to beat out every 4* and 5* recruit to start at OLB and it seems like he can't or he would have already.

 

[cuseincincy]

But that omits cow tipping which one would have to visit Fonda NY to really partake in. So he has that going for him.

Apparently you have never been to ND's campus. I swear you can see cattle grazing in the field from campus (at least during the spring and winter when the corn is low).

Truthfully ND has a nice campus but South Bend is a dump.

 

[Orangeyes]

Its tough for a kid to choose between a prestigious school like Notre Dame when I am sure everyone around him was telling him to go to Notre Dame. Obviously Notre Dame is on a different level than Syracuse. With that said some kids may be able to see through the fog and think rationally about a major decision like this. Myself, I would be looking at my competition and opportunity to get on the field as much as possible. As a baseball player growing up it would have been hard to choose Lemoyne over say Louisville or Florida State. But if you think rationally about opportunity to play you may get to play 4 years at Lemoyne and 1-2 years at one of the others.

One of his best friends and teammates in high school said IW favored SU even as he was preparing for his trip to PSU. It was that 4 AM visit by UND that impressed him on how much the Irish wanted him. So flattered were IW & his father they committed themselves to Notre Dame.

 

[CuseOnly]

I think that it is absolutely fantastic that the thing that tipped the scales in ND's favor was a 4AM visit by a maniac sitting in his driveway like a scorned schoolgirl who saw him hooking up with another girl.

That's not impressive, that is a ridiculous reason to make that decision. In some states you can get arrested for that behavior.

I would be thinking that this coach needs a life and also needs mental evaluation.

Other than that, his decision makes perfect sense...

 

[TheCusian]

I think that it is absolutely fantastic that the thing that tipped the scales in ND's favor was a 4AM visit by a maniac sitting in his driveway like a scorned schoolgirl who saw him hooking up with another girl.

That's not impressive, that is a ridiculous reason to make that decision. In some states you can get arrested for that behavior.

I would be thinking that this coach needs a life and also needs mental evaluation.

Other than that, his decision makes perfect sense...

Agreed. I can think of nothing worse than making any decision in life at 4am.

That coach sounds desperate at best and delusional at worse. But sure make a life decision based on that...

 

[NovaOrange]

Bromley = Drafted
Ishaq = Not so much

Unfortunately the NFL scouts will put stats/playing time on the back burner for potential and size. The kid still has the size to develop into something and wouldn’t be a terrible 6th to 7th round pick. I am just as upset as everyone else he went to ND but I still believe he has a chance to end up in the league. Heck if Michael Jasper can get drafted so can he.

 

[Orangello]

Agreed. I can think of nothing worse than making any decision in life at 4am...

I take it that you've never had to deal with the dreaded "coyote arm" decision after the beer goggles have worn off

 

[CIL]

It's too bad because I think he was damn close to coming here as well. What i don't get is that if you are good enough NFL scouts will find you, but you have to get on the field. I bet if Bromley went to Delaware he would still be getting drafted in 2014. The scouts are paid to find any and all talent that can help

I know the staff thought they had him. Poppa was all about ND. Still stings.

 

[CIL]

shouldn't ishaq have been more dominant in high school?

i have a bad memory about this stuff and i don't pay that much attention in the first place but if i remember correctly, it wasn't like he was dominant in high school

Some guys who produce a lot on a lower level don't make it on a higher level

But guys who don't produce a lot on a lower level really don't make it on a higher level.

start with the guys who are really good then weed out the guys who aren't big strong fast whatever enough.

(of course i have no idea how good bromley was in high school either)

He was pretty dominant in high school at DE. Someone sold him the idea that he's make a great rush OLB. He's not Demarcus Ware. It's really too bad because his career has been so entirely mismanaged by those around him.

 

[Pat Kelly]

You can't really fault a kid for his school choice, he chose what he felt was best for himself and who are we to judge that.

 

[Entropic]

You can't really fault a kid for his school choice, he chose what he felt was best for himself and who are we to judge that.

We are a random assortment of college football fans... we have every right to judge him.

 

[FAL]

You can't really fault a kid for his school choice, he chose what he felt was best for himself and who are we to judge that.

BS! We're Orange fans! WE certainly do know what's best for these delusional recruits!

 

[GoSU96]

Being hyped out of highschool doesn't mean your'e going to be a great college player. I would think he would play the same here. If he was that good he would be playing more for ND.

Yeah, because the overall talent levels on ND's vs SU's are so close. SU recruits over 5 star DE's every year.

I'll try to make this simple. At ND he's just another guy competing for PT with similarly talented guys.

At SU the starting DE's are 2 and 3 star kids that are limited in ways and the starting outside LB's are a converted WR that is maybe 215 and a sub six foot kid from Ga that has trouble playing in space. I'm sure he would have the same struggle getting on the field here as he does at ND.

 

[Tobias Funke]

Hindsight is a beautiful thing. IW had the opportunity to go to one of college footballs elite football institutions. He also had the nerve to believe in himself, and believe that his talent could take him to any level regardless of competition. He will come out of this at a minimum of a 4 year education from a very good school, and be in the same position many of us were in around the age of 21/22.

I get it that he may have seen the field sooner/more here, but that doesn't necessarily mean he would have been better or equal to Jay, we may have seen him go the route of Max B or Coker. Bottomline is this kid made a decision and regardless of reasoning it is naïve to assume Syracuse would have been a completely different story for his long term future.

Oh and Jay Bromley is just flat out good, how he eluded college recruiters until the last possible minute will be a fun story to watch some Sunday

 

[cuseincincy]

We are a random assortment of college football fans... we have every right to judge him.

I mean, like duh! That's what we're here for. And I'm sure if you asked IW & his parents today they would spout that he made the right decision and how great his total experience at ND has been blah blah blah. Denial is wonderful even when it flys in the face of reality. Reality is the kid has not got to play any meaningful football in almost 3 years now. How Kelly got all these defensive players to commit to him is incredible considering the guy knows nothing and cares nothing for defense. And honestly Diaco is just an insane meathead that should be selling used motor homes in Mishawaka.

 

[GoSU96]

You can't really fault a kid for his school choice, he chose what he felt was best for himself and who are we to judge that.

Judging his decision isn't the point. The point is that's a case study in a key market for recruits on why in state kids like Ishaq should choose SU over ND, PSU, OSU, ....

 

[orangepassion]

Guys, if he wanted to transfer would you take him?