So who made out better, Jay Bromley or Ishaq Williams?

[orangepassion]

Judging his decision isn't the point. The point is that's a case study in a key market for recruits on why in state kids like Ishaq should choose SU over ND, PSU, OSU, ....

AKA Thomas Holley

 

[Chip]

shouldn't ishaq have been more dominant in high school?

i have a bad memory about this stuff and i don't pay that much attention in the first place but if i remember correctly, it wasn't like he was dominant in high school

Some guys who produce a lot on a lower level don't make it on a higher level

But guys who don't produce a lot on a lower level really don't make it on a higher level.

start with the guys who are really good then weed out the guys who aren't big strong fast whatever enough.

(of course i have no idea how good bromley was in high school either)

You're thinking of Cecil Howard again.

We need to move on.

 

[AAM62]

Did it occur to anyone that Ishaq just isn't that good and wouldn't have done any better at SU? If he was a great player then he would be playing more. He was simply over rated coming out of highschool

My cousin was a teammate of his at Lincoln and he said IW was soft and coddled by the coaching staff

 

[AAM62]

Out of all the NYC recruits that gave us the stiff arm, I actually see Gus having the best college career (with Ebo being a close 2nd). Gus went to the better situation and he will actually play earlier on Miami (already happened). Ebo will probably be a beast down the road.

 

[TheCusian]

Out of all the NYC recruits that gave us the stiff arm, I actually see Gus having the best college career (with Ebo being a close 2nd). Gus went to the better situation and he will actually play earlier on Miami (already happened). Ebo will probably be a beast down the road.

Gus didn't get any run last night when their 1st stringer RB went down. Wouldn't be shocked if they recruited over him.

 

[sabach]

I mean, like duh! That's what we're here for. And I'm sure if you asked IW & his parents today they would spout that he made the right decision and how great his total experience at ND has been blah blah blah. Denial is wonderful even when it flys in the face of reality. Reality is the kid has not got to play any meaningful football in almost 3 years now. How Kelly got all these defensive players to commit to him is incredible considering the guy knows nothing and cares nothing for defense. And honestly Diaco is just an insane meathead that should be selling used motor homes in Mishawaka.

Love the reference to Mishawaka. Believe it or not my roomate/apartment mate for my 4 years at SU was from Mishawaka.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

So, we're completely discounting the fact that Ishaq got to play for a National Championship, I take it?

 

[Tobias Funke]

Judging his decision isn't the point. The point is that's a case study in a key market for recruits on why in state kids like Ishaq should choose SU over ND, PSU, OSU, ....

It is 1 example and you can find others that will point in the opposite direction. the key variable missing is that you have no idea where Ishaq would be if he did come to SU. At this point it would be uneducated speculation.

 

[sabach]

So, we're completely discounting the fact that Ishaq got to play for a National Championship, I take it?

Or the fact that he got to play on a undefeated team through the regular season on national television every single week.

 

[Rocco]

Did it occur to anyone that Ishaq just isn't that good and wouldn't have done any better at SU? If he was a great player then he would be playing more. He was simply over rated coming out of highschool

The kid is a hell of an athlete, you can't deny that. He could've been a good football player if he were in the right system and not playing behind top-level national recruits.

At Syracuse, he arguably would've been a 3 year starter, if not 4. His brand would've unqestionably been higher just from an exposure perspective. You can go to ND and get more exposure, but certainly not if you don't play.

We've had some very good DE's come out of Syracuse. It's too bad he didn't stay in state.

 

[GoSU96]

So, we're completely discounting the fact that Ishaq got to play for a National Championship, I take it?

Not at all. SU will never be able to compete, at least near term if ever, with programs that have good chances to play for those kinds of stake. If that is a major driver in a kids decision and that trumps the potential for limited PT and how potentially career limiting that might be, that's their call.

 

[All4SU]

If some coach came to my house expecting to see me at 4am, I'd think he was an ass, and there is no way I would pick his school. If he would deprive me of sleeps before I even signed there, what would he do after I was committed to them?

 

[Orangeyes]

Aug 30 FAU Miami won 34-6 Gus Edwards 6-19

Sept 7 Florida Mami won 21-16 DNP

Sept 21 vs Savannah State Miami won 77-7 Gus had 12 carries 113 yards he had 3 TD's
1 yd TD
3 yd TD
9 yd TD

Miami beat USF 49-21 Edwards had 10 carries 53 yards

Miami beat Georgia Tech Oct 5 45-30 Gus DNP

Miami over UNC 27-23 Gus had 1 carry no yards

 

[Orangeyes]

If some coach came to my house expecting to see me at 4am, I'd think he was an ass, and there is no way I would pick his school. If he would deprive me of sleeps before I even signed there, what would he do after I was committed to them?

I wonder if the father set it up with the recruiter since the dad knew they would be leaving very early & wanted to save the trip?

 

[Chip]

Not at all. SU will never be able to compete, at least near term if ever, with programs that have good chances to play for those kinds of stake. If that is a major driver in a kids decision and that trumps the potential for limited PT and how potentially career limiting that might be, that's their call.

It's always going to depend on the kid.

Some want to play (or potentially warm the bench) in front of 80,000 fans and be on national TV every single game. Risk/reward, because everyone you're competing with had the same high school success you did (if not more).

Some want to play right away, and will sacrifice the big stadium, national TV experience, to still be in a BCS league. Those empty seats really do hurt SU though. It's one thing to say you'll play in front of 50,000 instead of 80,000. It's entirely different to say you'll play in front of 35-40,000 and 10-15000 empty seats, instead of 80,000. If the new IPF is going to level the playing field on facilities, then attendance will be our unanimous #1 roadblock.

Then there's the group who don't have the 80,000/national TV option. We just need to continue to find guys like Bromley in that group, or make sure we find guys we can develop into contributing starters.

 

[CIL]

I wonder if the father set it up with the recruiter since the dad knew they would be leaving very early & wanted to save the trip?

Absolutely he did. You think anyone is going to ring the doorbell unannounced at 4AM? Dad was always about ND.

 

[GoSU96]

Those empty seats really do hurt SU though. It's one thing to say you'll play in front of 50,000 instead of 80,000. It's entirely different to say you'll play in front of 35-40,000 and 10-15000 empty seats, instead of 80,000. If the new IPF is going to level the playing field on facilities, then attendance will be our unanimous #1 roadblock.

Spot on there.

 

[sabach]

Not at all. SU will never be able to compete, at least near term if ever, with programs that have good chances to play for those kinds of stake. If that is a major driver in a kids decision and that trumps the potential for limited PT and how potentially career limiting that might be, that's their call.

IW thought he was going to be a stud no matter where he played. And his decision was that for a football career, it was better to be a stud at ND than at SU. It is no different from forwards in basketball who decide it is better to take a chance on SU even if they may have to sit than be the 4 year star at Seton Hall.

 

[orangepassion]

So, we're completely discounting the fact that Ishaq got to play for a National Championship, I take it?

I would think if you ask most D-1 athletes if you had the choice to be a backup on a top team or a 3 year starter on a fairly good bowl team, I think most would choose the latter. This is particularly true if they harbor any NFL dreams (which is 98% of D-1 athletes). There are very few college backups who make the NFL, but there are plenty who went to schools such as SU or even lower level.

 

[Scooch]

Judging his decision isn't the point. The point is that's a case study in a key market for recruits on why in state kids like Ishaq should choose SU over ND, PSU, OSU, ....

The playing time argument is compelling, for sure.

But let's not forget that these kids are committing themselves to 4-5 years where they will eat, breathe and sleep football. Candidly, there's simply no comparison in the atmosphere and importance school's like ND, PSU, tOSU, etc. place on football. I love SU, but we all know it's not in the same stratosphere. So I have a hard time killing a kid over going to a powerhouse like that if they have the opportunity. Of course I'd like them to come to SU, and we have a ton to offer, but I understand. Our coaches have a tough sell when they're up against those schools.

 

[sabach]

I would think if you ask most D-1 athletes if you had the choice to be a backup on a top team or a 3 year starter on a fairly good bowl team, I think most would choose the latter. This is particularly true if they harbor any NFL dreams (which is 98% of D-1 athletes). There are very few college backups who make the NFL, but there are plenty who went to schools such as SU or even lower level.

I agree with you, but no one knows they will be a backup until they are one. It is not easy to sell kids on the fact that they will not play at ND so come to SU when in their minds they think they will play at ND. If it were, teams like Alabama and such would not have 3 and 4 star recruits on their 2nd and 3rd teams.

 

[All4SU]

The playing time argument is compelling, for sure.

But let's not forget that these kids are committing themselves to 4-5 years where they will eat, breathe and sleep football. Candidly, there's simply no comparison in the atmosphere and importance school's like ND, PSU, tOSU, etc. place on football. I love SU, but we all know it's not in the same stratosphere. So I have a hard time killing a kid over going to a powerhouse like that if they have the opportunity. Of course I'd like them to come to SU, and we have a ton to offer, but I understand. Our coaches have a tough sell when they're up against those schools.

Agree with at. Just the same, I hope they freely use examples like IW and the jones brothers to make their case. You can only sell what you offer. We offer a faster route to playing time for top recruits, and the facts show players can still get to the NFL from Syracuse. So work it.

 

[Cadillac]

STIR THE ECHOES!

Reddish was the guy I really wanted when our late targets were narrowed down to him, IW, McReynolds, and someone else, maybe the OL that went to PSU.

 

[Orangeyes]

I would think if you ask most D-1 athletes if you had the choice to be a backup on a top team or a 3 year starter on a fairly good bowl team, I think most would choose the latter. This is particularly true if they harbor any NFL dreams (which is 98% of D-1 athletes). There are very few college backups who make the NFL, but there are plenty who went to schools such as SU or even lower level.

No matter what coaches and players say, there is no substitute for playing. You learn nothing about playing from sitting.

 

[Scooch]

Agree with at. Just the same, I hope they freely use examples like IW and the jones brothers to make their case. You can only sell what you offer. We offer a faster route to playing time for top recruits, and the facts show players can still get to the NFL from Syracuse. So work it.

Oh, I agree. And I would assume our coaches do, appropriately, talk to recruits and their parents about that. But like someone up-thread mentioned, these kids are high school stars with all the confidence in the world that they'll be starting at these major programs ASAP. So you can tell them SU offers immediate playing time, or a quicker path to starting, but a lot of those kids simply aren't going to believe that they won't be getting meaningful time by mid-season of their freshman year, at worst. And we know a lot of coaches at those schools will reinforce those thoughts.

So the immediate playing time proposition may only go so far with the 4-5 star kids.