Some of you need to chill

[orangecuse]

Is this not short term strategy to hide larger problems that ultimately manifest in long term company performance?

It's not a short term strategy per se. Look at NVR Inc.'s (Ryan Homes parent company) stock price...closed Friday at $3689. They have been operating this way for years and know first hand how they roll. That being said, we've been beneficiaries of this practice.

 

[Ozone!]

IMO, we need to let the season play out and then to see how HCDB adjusts. Anything less than this is like playing "chicken little"

Give Dino a chance to see how he reacts to this season prior to calling for his ouster!!!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I agree with everything you said but let's shelve the schedule talk. Our OOC schedule was extremely soft this year, only one of our losses was OOC, and it was to a 3-8 team.

Any improvement in record will have to come from team improvement. Let's hope the conference doesn't have a bouce back year or the schedule may actually be tougher.

Agreed. I'm just saying, we don't have an OOC heavy weight to contend with.

 

[GoSU96]

Really? How far have we come...seems to me we are right back where we were when Gerg got fired.

Marrone was 25-25
Shafer was 14-23 and ACC was 7-18 (-11)
Babers is 22-27 and ACC is 11-21 (-10)

Essentially Babers and Shafer are clones, Babers has 4 more wins because he has had 1 more year.

Ridiculous

 

[Stern]

If anyone thinks SU is going to fire Dino one year removed from a 10 win season they need their head examined.

First off they aren't going to eat that contract. Second they aren't going to get any decent candidate to want this job after they see you fire a coach after a down year and one year removed from a 10 win season. Third, look around the ACC and outside of Clemson (for obvious reasons) the rest of the conference isn't exactly leaving Syracuse in their dust.

It's a down year, it was almost expected in many ways. Dino would have to have 2 or 3 consecutive MORE years like this before you even consider moving on from him.

Syracuse football is a lower to middle of the pack ACC program which every now and then (like 2018) will have a big year and surprise you and get 9 or more wins. That's reality, it isn't changing. The sooner you come to realize that the sooner you will have a peaceful life.

 

[reedny]

Just awful takes. Like, absolute dog sht. So many peoples brains are broken. You hate to see it.

Sorry to bump, but isn't this your hot take on his hot take?

 

[OttoMets]

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Plus, our OOC next season is extremely soft.

They might not be Maryland-level bad, but it's a pretty weak slate.

I hope Dino has film on them.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If anyone thinks SU is going to fire Dino one year removed from a 10 win season they need their head examined.

First off they aren't going to eat that contract. Second they aren't going to get any decent candidate to want this job after they see you fire a coach after a down year and one year removed from a 10 win season. Third, look around the ACC and outside of Clemson (for obvious reasons) the rest of the conference isn't exactly leaving Syracuse in their dust.

It's a down year, it was almost expected in many ways. Dino would have to have 2 or 3 consecutive MORE years like this before you even consider moving on from him.

Syracuse football is a lower to middle of the pack ACC program which every now and then (like 2018) will have a big year and surprise you and get 9 or more wins. That's reality, it isn't changing. The sooner you come to realize that the sooner you will have a peaceful life.

Stepping back to year 2 of Babers is understandable. Stepping back to Shafer is not.

We should be lower to mid, problem is we aren’t even achieving that. Our peers are BC, Duke, and Wake. The last four seasons those three have averaged 6.58 wins and 5.75 losses overall. In conference they are 3 and 4.75. The fact that we are so far below those averages is concerning.

 

[Ozcuse]

Stepping back to year 2 of Babers is understandable. Stepping back to Shafer is not.

We should be lower to mid, problem is we aren’t even achieving that. Our peers are BC, Duke, and Wake. The last four seasons those three have averaged 6.58 wins and 5.75 losses overall. In conference they are 3 and 4.75. The fact that we are so far below those averages is concerning.

Our peers in the ACC are Pitt, BC, Wake, and NCST. We play these teams every year (I'm not including the top 3 teams of Clemson, FSU, L'ville). These 4 teams are by far no murderers row. I don't count Duke since we only play them maybe once every 4-5 years.

So far during Dino's 4 years against the peer teams above he is 5-10, most likely to be 5-11 after this Saturday.

Frankly, that's unacceptable. 1 win out of 4 vs Pitt. 1 out of 4 vs NCST. 2 out of 4 vs BC. 1 out of 3 vs Wake. THAT'S INCLUDING LAST SEASON!!!

 

[Scooch]

Our peers in the ACC are Pitt, BC, Wake, and NCST. We play these teams every year (I'm not including the top 3 teams of Clemson, FSU, L'ville). These 4 teams are by far no murderers row. I don't count Duke since we only play them maybe once every 4-5 years.

So far during Dino's 4 years against the peer teams above he is 5-15, most likely to be 5-16 after this Saturday.

Frankly, that's unacceptable. 1-4 vs Pitt. 1-4 vs NCST. 2-2 vs BC. 1-3 Wake. THAT'S INCLUDING LAST SEASON!!!

1-3 each against Pitt and NC State. So that's 5-11 overall against those four teams, assuming a loss to Wake this weekend.

Honestly, looking at our record against these schools is not a terrible way to evaluate the program. I'd throw Louisville into that mix as well, they don't deserve to be lumped in with Clemson and FSU. So that'd make it 6-19 over Dino's four seasons. That's pretty bad, even accounting for the fact that he was cleaning up Shafer's mess when he took over.

 

[sufandu]

1-3 each against Pitt and NC State. So that's 5-11 overall against those four teams, assuming a loss to Wake this weekend.

Honestly, looking at our record against these schools is not a terrible way to evaluate the program. I'd throw Louisville into that mix as well, they don't deserve to be lumped in with Clemson and FSU. So that'd make it 6-19 over Dino's four seasons. That's pretty bad, even accounting for the fact that he was cleaning up Shafer's mess when he took over.

It is. The first two years are excuseable. This year should have been better.

 

[tbonezone]

It is. The first two years are excuseable. This year should have been better.

just click up above to the CALI predictions if you want to wince. it's like the PRICE IS RIGHT showcase where the guy who bids 1$ wins it all cuz the others WAY OVER BID. actually quite sad but comical none the less.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

1-3 each against Pitt and NC State. So that's 5-11 overall against those four teams, assuming a loss to Wake this weekend.

Honestly, looking at our record against these schools is not a terrible way to evaluate the program. I'd throw Louisville into that mix as well, they don't deserve to be lumped in with Clemson and FSU. So that'd make it 6-19 over Dino's four seasons. That's pretty bad, even accounting for the fact that he was cleaning up Shafer's mess when he took over.

IMO I would break the ACC up as:

Clemson, FSU
The two premier programs

Miami, VA Tech, Louisville, GA Tech
Good fan support, good football brands, and good local recruiting

UNC, UVA, Pitt, NC State
Decent fan support and decent local recruiting

SU, BC, Wake, Duke
Poor fan support and difficult recruiting due to location and being private

We are at a disadvantage vs the schools outside our tier. We can easily have years as a tier 2 performance wise but we will never be able to sustain it.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

IMO I would break the ACC up as:

Clemson, FSU
The two premier programs

Miami, VA Tech, Louisville, GA Tech
Good fan support, good football brands, and good local recruiting

UNC, UVA, Pitt, NC State
Decent fan support and decent local recruiting

SU, BC, Wake, Duke
Poor fan support and difficult recruiting due to location and being private

We are at a disadvantage vs the schools outside our tier. We can easily have years as a tier 2 performance wise but we will never be able to sustain it.

Nonsense. SU has excellent fan support - WHEN THEY WIN. It's all about winning because football is entertainment not religion.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Nonsense. SU has excellent fan support - WHEN THEY WIN. It's all about winning because football is entertainment not religion.

Attendance figures say your way wrong. We couldn’t sell out a 49K stadium when McNabb was here and not every game was on HD TV. We have excellent support for a private school, but weak vs state schools. We have excellent % of local support, but our location isn’t heavily populate. Them the facts.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Attendance figures say your way wrong. We couldn’t sell out a 49K stadium when McNabb was here and not every game was on HD TV. We have excellent support for a private school, but weak vs state. schools. We have excellent % of local support, but our location isn’t heavily populate. Them the facts.

Attendance figures say your are wrong. Attendance was up this year when attendance nation wide was way down. It's all about winning

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Attendance figures say your are wrong. Attendance was up this year when attendance nation wide was way down. It's all about winning

Maybe you aren’t good at math. If SU sold out every game this year we would be 8th in the ACC. That isn’t good. We have the 4th smallest stadium. There is a reason for that. So even if we are good, we will likely be 9th in conference. We are better than BC, Duke, Wake and on par with Pitt, maybe UVA. We are below everyone else.

 

[721Comstock]

Maybe you aren’t good at math. If SU sold out every game this year we would be 8th in the ACC. That isn’t good. We have the 4th smallest stadium. There is a reason for that. So even if we are good, we will likely be 9th in conference. We are better than BC, Duke, Wake and on par with Pitt, maybe UVA. We are below everyone else.

It's more about % of stadium filled, than max capacity - since clearly we cannot compete in that latter regard.

Being 8th or 9th (at best) in the ACC is no shame, given we don't have a MASSIVE stadium to (attempt to) fill.
Duke has 40k MAX capacity. And it was nearly empty when we played them - THAT is more of a problem than we have.
Wake's stadium 31.5K MAX capacity. The Carrier Dome is cavernous compared to theirs.

As long as we have a reasonable % of our stadium filled, it makes for a GREAT gameday atmosphere (when the team doesn't suck).
The Loud House nickname is legit - Duke and Wake and those other programs will never have anything like that.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

It's more about % of stadium filled, than max capacity - since clearly we cannot compete in that latter regard.

Being 8th or 9th (at best) in the ACC is no shame, given we don't have a MASSIVE stadium to (attempt to) fill.
Duke has 40k MAX capacity. And it was nearly empty when we played them - THAT is more of a problem than we have.
Wake's stadium 31.5K MAX capacity. The Carrier Dome is cavernous compared to theirs.

As long as we have a reasonable % of our stadium filled, it makes for a GREAT gameday atmosphere (when the team doesn't suck).
The Loud House nickname is legit - Duke and Wake and those other programs will never have anything like that.

You are moving the goal posts. The more fans you have the more money you can bring in via ticket sales and donations. We have less fans than the average ACC school. That puts us at a disadvantage. No one is talking about home field advantage like you seem to be.

Using average attendance, the ACC had the worst average 2015-2018 in the P5. The conference average was 48,614. So even if we are good, we are below the conference average in the worst attended P5 conference. How does that equal good fan support?

 

[721Comstock]

You are moving the goal posts. The more fans you have the more money you can bring in via ticket sales and donations. We have less fans than the average ACC school. That puts us at a disadvantage. No one is talking about home field advantage like you seem to be.

Using average attendance, the ACC had the worst average 2015-2018 in the P5. The conference average was 48,614. So even if we are good, we are below the conference average in the worst attended P5 conference. How does that equal good fan support?

You keep talking in ABSOLUTE terms, which we CANNOT COMPETE in.

In RELATIVE terms, we had a nice uptick in attendance.

We charge almost nothing for the majority of our tickets -
(and yet people piss and moan about "how expensive" they are anyway)

That's NOT where the $ for the program is coming from - it's the TV deal, which all programs get the same $.

 

[Cuse#1]

Adams is back. Neal is gone.

Howard is back too he is a beast and Jordan is straight up dynamic

 

[HRE Otto IV]

You keep talking in ABSOLUTE terms, which we CANNOT COMPETE in.

In RELATIVE terms, we had a nice uptick in attendance.

We charge almost nothing for the majority of our tickets -
(and yet people piss and moan about "how expensive" they are anyway)

That's NOT where the $ for the program is coming from - it's the TV deal, which all programs get the same $.

Well that’s the point, duh. You just said we are at a disadvantage. Why are you changing the conversation then?

 

[sufandu]

IMO I would break the ACC up as:

Clemson, FSU
The two premier programs

Miami, VA Tech, Louisville, GA Tech
Good fan support, good football brands, and good local recruiting

UNC, UVA, Pitt, NC State
Decent fan support and decent local recruiting

SU, BC, Wake, Duke
Poor fan support and difficult recruiting due to location and being private

We are at a disadvantage vs the schools outside our tier. We can easily have years as a tier 2 performance wise but we will never be able to sustain it.

I don't think fan support for SU can be measured the same as with state schools. A higher percentage of the alumni base is not local. But the same could be said about GaTech and Miami, also private schools. Those two probably need to move down a tier. They are in recruiting rich areas but UofG gets all the fan support, and top recruits, in Georgia and, outside south florida, fan support in florida is probably mostly divided between UofF and FSU

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I don't think fan support for SU can be measured the same as with state schools. A higher percentage of the alumni base is not local. But the same could be said about GaTech and Miami, also private schools. Those two probably need to move down a tier. They are in recruiting rich areas but UofG gets all the fan support, and top recruits, in Georgia and, outside south florida, fan support in florida is probably mostly divided between UofF and FSU

Those were program tiers not fan support tiers. Miami due to its name and local recruiting is tier 2.

 

[sufandu]

Those were program tiers not fan support tiers. Miami due to its name and local recruiting is tier 2.

I understood. I still think they belong a tier down.